Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Aug 25, 2022 1:23 pm Hi all, If you could afford the hebel powerfloors, instead of traditional timber floors, would you do it? I've grown up in a timber framed first floor and you always hear footsteps downstairs on ground floor, when people are walking around upstairs. Would love to know your thoughts! Thank you so much Re: Hebel PowerFloor vs Traditional Timber Floors 2Aug 25, 2022 1:37 pm @ashington Homes recommends hebels floors with yellow or red tongue over the top, he might be able to elaborate a bit for you. If you really want separation between upper and lower floors consider resilient mounts/isolation clips/furring channels, multiple layers of gyprock and/or acoustic insulation between floors. Also consider being forever alone in this world so there's never anyone else upstairs to make noise Re: Hebel PowerFloor vs Traditional Timber Floors 3Aug 25, 2022 2:40 pm Our House Build Hi all, If you could afford the hebel powerfloors, instead of traditional timber floors, would you do it? I've grown up in a timber framed first floor and you always hear footsteps downstairs on ground floor, when people are walking around upstairs. Would love to know your thoughts! Thank you so much You are more than welcome to come past one of our builds and walk on the hebel yourself so you can decide. Honestly, the way we do it, it's almost as good as suspended concrete for a fraction of the cost. I wouldn't do Hebel on it's own though. Putting a sheet of yellow or red tongue helps the impact resistance and ties it all together perfectly. We do also reduce the joist spacings from 450 to 300mm to give it a bit more strength as well. Honestly, the issue in my house is that when my wife yells for the kids from downstairs to come to dinner they cant't hear her and it drives her crazy! Anyway, if you are in the north give me a shout. We are doing a build in St Ives presently and have the hebel down and should have the red tongue finished soon. In my duplex I used red tongue and then yellow tongue and that gives a really firm feeling as well. Cheers Simeon Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Hebel PowerFloor vs Traditional Timber Floors 4Aug 26, 2022 12:56 pm Hi Everyone For the people who are interested in the Hebel & red/yellow tongue flooring that I have been advocating, here are some photos of the flooring that we are installing today at our St Ives build. We are using about 1 1/2 tubes of liquid nails per sheet and then 6 x 125mm bugles per sheet screwed into the floor joists. Honestly walking over this feel amazing. Where just the Hebel on it's own feels strong but has kind of a hollow sound, the particle board ties it all together and it almost feels like a suspended concrete slab. If anyone has any questions let me know Cheers Simeon Hebel 75mm On it's ownWe are using 19mm Scyon in the foreground for our wet areas and you can see the set down which will give us a flush finishLike ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Red Tongue being laidLike ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Applying the glueYou can also see the 125mm bugles Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ n Laying the red tongue at the frontLike ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Hebel PowerFloor vs Traditional Timber Floors 5Jul 16, 2023 2:20 am To dig this thread up again "In my duplex I used red tongue and then yellow tongue and that gives a really firm feeling as well." Are you saying you installed the hebel floor, then red tongue then a further layer of yellow tongue? Re: Hebel PowerFloor vs Traditional Timber Floors 6Jul 16, 2023 2:19 pm I think he is talking about glueing red tongue over Hebel. The main drawback here I see is additional labour and material costs but both systems put together will impact your second floor ceiling height by 95 mm. I have recently learnt about XCEM Alphafloor which is only 35 mm thick and also provides great stability and sound insulation, at least according to XCEM Web site. https://www.xcem.com.au/alphafloor I am not sure how expensive it is in comparison to Hebel, but seems pretty decent alternative to me. Re: Hebel PowerFloor vs Traditional Timber Floors 7Jul 18, 2023 8:02 am We considered the Hebel Power Floor, but at the time 25k extra on the build cost of a 600k build seemed excessive. Now, sitting downstairs I can hear my kids and cats thumping as they run across the floor. It's not that bad because we installed additional thickness insulation under the carpet upstairs. But by far the largest source of noise from upstairs is the staircase void - the noise from the upstairs loungeroom bounces off the void wall and the front door straight back into the family room downstairs. It's only really noticeable if the noise is loud and if I'm sitting on the couch seat which is closest in line with the front door. I'm still glad that we used the 25k on other, better, things instead. Re: Hebel PowerFloor vs Traditional Timber Floors 8Jul 18, 2023 1:10 pm Hello_world To dig this thread up again "In my duplex I used red tongue and then yellow tongue and that gives a really firm feeling as well." Are you saying you installed the hebel floor, then red tongue then a further layer of yellow tongue? Hello_world In the duplex I used a layer of red tongue and then a layer of yellow tongue, no Hebel. In a number of homes we are currently building we have used a layer of Hebel and then either yellow tongue or red tongue over the top. My own home I used Hebel & yellowtongue and then acoustic insulation in between the floor joists and with that combo you cant hear the kids jumping off beds, Works a treat! Cheers Simeon Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Hebel PowerFloor vs Traditional Timber Floors 9Jul 18, 2023 1:38 pm I see in another of your posts you say lay the joists at 300mm (the csr tech info says 300, 430 or 600mm), but with red or yellow tongue, this would help distribute the loads on the hebel quite significantly (like furniture or people walking on) Do you still do 300mm with red or yellow tongue or do u widen it up to 430mm (reason i ask is insulation seems to come in 430 or 500mm widths not 300mm) Main diff between red and yellow tongue is one is 19mm other is 22mm?, or is there something more which makes red tongue better? What kind of additional per sqrm cost is laying red tongue over the hebel when your charge a customer for it? Re: Hebel PowerFloor vs Traditional Timber Floors 10Jul 18, 2023 1:43 pm The distance between joists is usually defined by the structural engineering and takes into consideration joist spans, it is not what the builder has a lot of control over. They would need to comply with 150 kPa minimum for distributed loads (people, furniture), but if you add Hebel and extra layer of board, you should be talking about 200 kPa+. Re: Hebel PowerFloor vs Traditional Timber Floors 11Jul 18, 2023 2:11 pm Hello_world I see in another of your posts you say lay the joists at 300mm (the csr tech info says 300, 430 or 600mm), but with red or yellow tongue, this would help distribute the loads on the hebel quite significantly (like furniture or people walking on) Do you still do 300mm with red or yellow tongue or do u widen it up to 430mm (reason i ask is insulation seems to come in 430 or 500mm widths not 300mm) Main diff between red and yellow tongue is one is 19mm other is 22mm?, or is there something more which makes red tongue better? What kind of additional per sqrm cost is laying red tongue over the hebel when your charge a customer for it? When we are using Hebel we like to put the joists closer together to minimise deflection as Hebel is brittle and any movement causes cracks. With particle board we can go up to 600mm and it doesnt make much of a difference. Insulation is then cut to size by the installers so this is not a consideration. Red v yellow doesnt make a hug difference. It really depends what our supplier sends us. Red is a lot more expensive though. I have to check but I think we charge around $40-50/sqm for the 2nd layer of yellowtongue where as Hebel is around $120/sqm Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Hebel PowerFloor vs Traditional Timber Floors 12Jul 18, 2023 2:16 pm Putting particle board over and widening up the spacing would save some joist installation cost but? So the true additional cost would 40 - 50$ sqrm offset by a reducion in joists and installation Re: Hebel PowerFloor vs Traditional Timber Floors 13Jul 18, 2023 2:17 pm Seems that Hebel might require 2x more, this should be a significant cost increase.
Hello_world do you want to check XCEM? They should be okay/working well with wider joist space Re: Hebel PowerFloor vs Traditional Timber Floors 14Jul 18, 2023 2:18 pm Hello_world Putting particle board over and widening up the spacing would save some joist installation cost but? So the true additional cost would 40 - 50$ sqrm offset by a reducion in joists and installation Its hard to say as the engineer will specify the joist spacings so it's not as simple as just widening them from 450-600mm as joist spacings depend on a number of factors with the design such as loads and spans etc Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Hebel PowerFloor vs Traditional Timber Floors 15Jul 18, 2023 2:22 pm alexp79 Seems that Hebel might require 2x more, this should be a significant cost increase. Hello_world do you want to check XCEM? They should be okay/working well with wider joist space Why would people go for hebel if XCEM flooring is superior to hebel - according to the XCEM advertising material? Re: Hebel PowerFloor vs Traditional Timber Floors 16Jul 18, 2023 2:25 pm Hello_world alexp79 Seems that Hebel might require 2x more, this should be a significant cost increase. Hello_world do you want to check XCEM? They should be okay/working well with wider joist space Why would people go for hebel if XCEM flooring is superior to hebel - according to the XCEM advertising material? XCEM is quite new, they have just released this flooring less than a year ago or so. Hebel is CSR which invested obviously much more money into marketing and brand awareness for ages. Re: Hebel PowerFloor vs Traditional Timber Floors 17Mar 27, 2024 5:35 am I used Hebel powerfloor on the second storey of one side( the one I live in) the other side yellow tongue.. sealed it and direct stuck 19mm engineered flooring.. cost almost 10k supply and install the Hebel…it’s absolute rubbish.. the noise transfer downstairs is terrible to the point when sitting downstairs you can hear the cable from a phone charger hitting the floor when being in plugged. When I made a comment on socials they sent two reps out who said “that is noisy”.. it’s because you direct stuck it and didn’t use underlay. Then further to that they said look at our site for laying timber floating floor it needs underlay and for a full effect it relies on the underlay, insulation, resilient mounts and 13mm plasterboard to the ceiling for it to be truly effective.$10000 for a product that’s noisier than 19mm yellow tongue. Re: Hebel PowerFloor vs Traditional Timber Floors 18Mar 27, 2024 5:56 am 9348 I used Hebel powerfloor on the second storey of one side( the one I live in) the other side yellow tongue.. sealed it and direct stuck 19mm engineered flooring.. cost almost 10k supply and install the Hebel…it’s absolute rubbish.. the noise transfer downstairs is terrible to the point when sitting downstairs you can hear the cable from a phone charger hitting the floor when being in plugged. When I made a comment on socials they sent two reps out who said “that is noisy”.. it’s because you direct stuck it and didn’t use underlay. Then further to that they said look at our site for laying timber floating floor it needs underlay and for a full effect it relies on the underlay, insulation, resilient mounts and 13mm plasterboard to the ceiling for it to be truly effective.$10000 for a product that’s noisier than 19mm yellow tongue. It's the same as concrete floors in apartments and why strata rules are so strict about using acoustic underlays. Also I would never use Hebel on it's own as a flooring, we always put yellowtongue over the top to protect it and the result of the two in combination is brilliant. Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Hebel PowerFloor vs Traditional Timber Floors 19Mar 27, 2024 6:08 am Do you ever just use yellow tongue by it’s self, or do you double that up aswell or do you only use powerfloor? I think as a general buyer of the product power floor is advertised as an alternative to yellow tongue, you shouldn’t have to then fit 19 mm timber plus underlay plus a floor covering to benefit or if you do it should be advertised.. as stated in this thread people are unaware you need to do that Re: Hebel PowerFloor vs Traditional Timber Floors 20Mar 27, 2024 12:01 pm We used Hebel Powerfloor in our double storey new build. We didn't put any yellow tongue on top - I would have if this was offered by the builder at the time but it wasn't. On the upper floor, we have a mix of carpet (with good underlay) in the bedrooms and a good laminate with built in layer of underlay in the sitting area and hallway. Laminate is installed as floating rather than direct stick. We also had insulation installed in the downstairs ceiling between floors. After living in the house for 5-6 months, we notice very little noise transfer to the downstairs. 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