Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Building terminology- no returns? What does this mean 3Jun 29, 2022 10:17 am You have removed the standard tiles and replaced it with stone. Unless the spec's said full height (to ceiling) for the stone with rangehood mounted to stone then I would expect the stone to stop at the underside of the rangehood as per standard tiling. The plans provide dimensional representation of what is referred to in the tender. Yes the $8k price for the splashback seems expensive. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Building terminology- no returns? What does this mean 4Jun 29, 2022 10:47 am Unfortunately the time to question the price is when negotiating all your extras not after you have signed and construction is completed. I'm not quite sure what you mean with regards to the rangehood. Is it installed with a gap behind the rangehood like it should be screwed back to the wall or are you referring to the height and where stone meets it under? Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Building terminology- no returns? What does this mean 5Jun 29, 2022 10:55 am Egdissapointedowner chippy Unfortunately the time to question the price is when negotiating all your extras not after you have signed and construction is completed. I'm not quite sure what you mean with regards to the rangehood. Is it installed with a gap behind the rangehood like it should be screwed back to the wall or are you referring to the height and where stone meets it under? They said they are looking into it. I think it is too obvious not to, as 10k for bench tops Compared to 8k for a tiny splashback seems strange. To be honest I didn't understand dimensions until I saw it in person and realised the difference. Height and where stone meets under is what I mean. There is a gap from the stone, it is not meeting in line with the rangehood like their drawing. I need to check but from memory I think that stone is around $600/sqm so maybe check the measurements. Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Building terminology- no returns? What does this mean 6Jun 29, 2022 11:06 am I am going to ask my joiner for a price on that Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Building terminology- no returns? What does this mean 7Jun 29, 2022 12:34 pm Your drawings do show stone at 680 high at Elevation D so it is being built according to your contract. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ I've seen kitchens where the splashback goes all the way up behind the rangehood and also ones where it stops at the bottom of the rangehood. Definitely agree that it looks way better when it goes up behind, especially in your case where you have upper cabinets on both sides. Perhaps you could consider putting in a couple of open shelves on either side of your rangehood flue so its not just a stark empty space. For example: Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Building terminology- no returns? What does this mean 8Jun 29, 2022 12:46 pm Egdissapointedowner chippy Unfortunately the time to question the price is when negotiating all your extras not after you have signed and construction is completed. I'm not quite sure what you mean with regards to the rangehood. Is it installed with a gap behind the rangehood like it should be screwed back to the wall or are you referring to the height and where stone meets it under? They said they are looking into it. I think it is too obvious not to, as 10k for bench tops Compared to 8k for a tiny splashback seems strange. To be honest I didn't understand dimensions until I saw it in person and realised the difference. Height and where stone meets under is what I mean. There is a gap from the stone, it is not meeting in line with the rangehood like their drawing. going by the area it sounds about right. if i'm not mistaken, you've chosen the most expensive range so it will definitely cost a lot. we were considering doing the bathrooms in one of the stones from that range, and we were quoted about 2k for 450x1600 piece Re: Building terminology- no returns? What does this mean 9Jun 29, 2022 3:57 pm "no returns" in building terminology is like "no backsies". You give them money for something and regardless of what you get, no returns Dark matter scientist, can breathe underwater, mind reader and can freeze matter just by willing it. Trust me, its in my sig. Re: Building terminology- no returns? What does this mean 10Jun 29, 2022 5:12 pm Egdissapointedowner orionnebula Your drawings do show stone at 680 high at Elevation D so it is being built according to your contract. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ I've seen kitchens where the splashback goes all the way up behind the rangehood and also ones where it stops at the bottom of the rangehood. Definitely agree that it looks way better when it goes up behind, especially in your case where you have upper cabinets on both sides. Perhaps you could consider putting in a couple of open shelves on either side of your rangehood flue so its not just a stark empty space. For example: Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Can we add stone later? The splashback doesn't stop at the rangehood like that photo. It stops under and there is a gap it looks strange So the plan shows the stone going in at 680mm and rangehood at 700. There will be a 20mm gap between the stone and rangehood. Do the overheads sit on the stone or is there a gap under those as well? You can't just add a little 20mm strip of stone as it will look silly and the graining on the marble won't match. It would most likely be easier to drop the rangehood 20mm as long as they haven't cut the duct cover and have left it so it can adjust in length. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Building terminology- no returns? What does this mean 11Jun 29, 2022 8:45 pm Egdissapointedowner Ashington Homes I am going to ask my joiner for a price on that Thank you so much I spoke to Adam my joiner and he literally choked on his lunch! true story Then he said that we could become millionaires charging that much for one slab. Should have an exact price tomorrow or the day after so watch this space cheers Simeon Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Building terminology- no returns? What does this mean 12Jun 29, 2022 9:40 pm Egdissapointedowner Egdissapointedowner chippy So the plan shows the stone going in at 680mm and rangehood at 700. There will be a 20mm gap between the stone and rangehood. Do the overheads sit on the stone or is there a gap under those as well? You can't just add a little 20mm strip of stone as it will look silly and the graining on the marble won't match. It would most likely be easier to drop the rangehood 20mm as long as they haven't cut the duct cover and have left it so it can adjust in length. Ok, is that a pretty standard design to do that? My site supervisor said that it's standard for metricon in a hmaptons kitchen, unless you ask for more. I just find it odd to leave such a small gap, seems weird. Sorry I forgot to answer , the gap is under the cupboards and the range hood /quote] I can't speak to what volume builders and their cabinet makers do, but all kitchens I build have the splashback go to the bottom of the overheads and rangehood. I expect they install with a gap because it makes the installation easier. The splashback price is definitely on the high side but it is expensive stone. A slab is somewhere in the vicinity of $5k on its own. It then has to be cut, finished and installed. A project builder tends to price each item at a stand alone price. Truth is the stone mason was already going to manufacture your stone and do an installation so the real cost would be less that if they were just going to do a splashback, but unfortunately you will be charged like it's a one off and by the time you add builder's margin it is very expensive. A small builder or a cabinet maker like myself would normally just be passing on the additional cost (plus margin) so the extra price would be a fair bit lower than you paid. That is just the difference in pricing models between project builders and smaller builders or by OB. Project builders tend to be cheap for the basic cookie cutter build but then claw back a fat margin on every little extra, whereas smaller builders generally charge more for the basic build but offer far more flexibility and reasonableness for extra's and variations. Unfortunately it looks like you have added plenty of extras so have paid a premium for them. There is nothing you can do about the price now. Ultimately you were given prices and have signed off on them so it's to late to try and claim it back now. All the best with everything Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Building terminology- no returns? What does this mean 13Jun 30, 2022 2:37 pm Okay, I have a price on your splashback from my joiner Adam To supply and install the 3100mm x 700mm slab ( Calacutta Nuvo) including cutting, delivery and installation is $5,000. Before negotiating. So as we were saying yesterday, you are only supposed to be paying for the upgrade, so if you take out $1500 for installation and approximately $1500 for the standard range slab, that leaves you with an upgrade price of $2000. You could then allow a 30% margin and the upgrade cost would be $2600. Doesn't come close to $8,900. I hope this doesn't sadden you too much but that is how these guys make money....sucker clients in with a cheap base price and then smash them on the variations. Cheers Simeon Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Building terminology- no returns? What does this mean 14Jun 30, 2022 3:19 pm Egdissapointedowner Ashington Homes Okay, I have a price on your splashback from my joiner Adam To supply and install the 3100mm x 700mm slab ( Calacutta Nuvo) including cutting, delivery and installation is $5,000. Before negotiating. So as we were saying yesterday, you are only supposed to be paying for the upgrade, so if you take out $1500 for installation and approximately $1500 for the standard range slab, that leaves you with an upgrade price of $2000. You could then allow a 30% margin and the upgrade cost would be $2600. Doesn't come close to $8,900. I hope this doesn't sadden you too much but that is how these guys make money....sucker clients in with a cheap base price and then smash them on the variations. Cheers Simeon Omg! Are they legally allowed to do that? Can you just charge whatever you want?! yep Re: Building terminology- no returns? What does this mean 15Jun 30, 2022 3:32 pm Egdissapointedowner Ashington Homes Okay, I have a price on your splashback from my joiner Adam To supply and install the 3100mm x 700mm slab ( Calacutta Nuvo) including cutting, delivery and installation is $5,000. Before negotiating. So as we were saying yesterday, you are only supposed to be paying for the upgrade, so if you take out $1500 for installation and approximately $1500 for the standard range slab, that leaves you with an upgrade price of $2000. You could then allow a 30% margin and the upgrade cost would be $2600. Doesn't come close to $8,900. I hope this doesn't sadden you too much but that is how these guys make money....sucker clients in with a cheap base price and then smash them on the variations. Cheers Simeon Omg! Are they legally allowed to do that? Can you just charge whatever you want?! Interesting question! Can you get your contract out and see what the variation clause says? But yes they probably can charge what they want as people are between a rock and a hard place. It's hard to change your stone after handover, if not impossible without destroying your cabinets. Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Building terminology- no returns? What does this mean 16Jun 30, 2022 5:26 pm Ashington Homes Okay, I have a price on your splashback from my joiner Adam To supply and install the 3100mm x 700mm slab ( Calacutta Nuvo) including cutting, delivery and installation is $5,000. Before negotiating. So as we were saying yesterday, you are only supposed to be paying for the upgrade, so if you take out $1500 for installation and approximately $1500 for the standard range slab, that leaves you with an upgrade price of $2000. You could then allow a 30% margin and the upgrade cost would be $2600. Doesn't come close to $8,900. I hope this doesn't sadden you too much but that is how these guys make money....sucker clients in with a cheap base price and then smash them on the variations. Cheers Simeon Hi Simeon, that's not quite correct. The original contract has a refund for a tiled splashback so the OP is paying the complete price for the supply and install of the new stone splashback. It's definitely overpriced but nowhere near the price you have said. The poor OP is now convinced that they have been completely and utterly r1pped off when in reality it was only a medium level overprice. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Building terminology- no returns? What does this mean 17Jun 30, 2022 5:53 pm If you read the contract you got a refund for the tiled splashback of $200 odd dollars. So the $8900 is the price you paid for a splashback. It's not an upgrade on top of another price Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Building terminology- no returns? What does this mean 18Jun 30, 2022 7:16 pm chippy If you read the contract you got a refund for the tiled splashback of $200 odd dollars. So the $8900 is the price you paid for a splashback. It's not an upgrade on top of another price Hi Chippy Thanks for the correction. You are on point with the details as always So the actual price should be $6500 - $257 = $6,243 However that $257 credit is a bit light on. looks like they are crediting the cost of the tiles without the labour. Anyway, I really appreciate you pointing out my error Thanks Simeon Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Building terminology- no returns? What does this mean 19Jun 30, 2022 9:50 pm Ashington Homes chippy If you read the contract you got a refund for the tiled splashback of $200 odd dollars. So the $8900 is the price you paid for a splashback. It's not an upgrade on top of another price Hi Chippy Thanks for the correction. You are on point with the details as always So the actual price should be $6500 - $257 = $6,243 However that $257 credit is a bit light on. looks like they are crediting the cost of the tiles without the labour. Anyway, I really appreciate you pointing out my error Thanks Simeon Hey Simeon There was 2.5m² of tiled splashback so the $257 credit is $100 per m² which actually isn't to bad but like most project builders they have kept their margin on the credit and then recharged it on the additional extra. I would have expected maybe $7500-$7800 as the cost from a builder for that particular slab cut and installed (they will charge for the whole slab plus labour). It still means that the OP has been gouged but the price that you and I would charge a client for the same thing is very different to what I would expect from a project builder. 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