Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Hebel + Polyfoam Construction 4May 11, 2022 1:10 pm Insulation should not be really a concern as you still insulate studs under Hebel, so altogether Hebel + studs insulation will be comparable to EPS.
It may be a bit cheaper, yes, but IMHO it is 100% worth paying extra for Hebel. But living in polystyrene house may be a health/safety concern plus it is not very vapour permeable (means humidity/moisture regulation won't be perfect), can be fire combustible and if protected with bromine based fire retardants, can lead to cancer risks. Re: Hebel + Polyfoam Construction 5May 11, 2022 1:12 pm Vish28 Builder is saying EPS has better insulation properties and is cheaper also. also really good at burning. EPS is a problematic material. It is also REALLY cheap. The margin your builder stands to make by using it significant. So while sure, its cheaper to you and has great insulating properties, its a worse material overall on the balance of things. If budget is not an issues, go hebel top and bottom. Dark matter scientist, can breathe underwater, mind reader and can freeze matter just by willing it. Trust me, its in my sig. Re: Hebel + Polyfoam Construction 7Jul 08, 2022 2:52 pm Do you know the order of magnitude re: extra cost of hebel vs foam? We have a curve in our facade which we believe will require the foam, can you end up with Hebel on the sides and some foam in a corner? Thank you in advance. Re: Hebel + Polyfoam Construction 8Jul 08, 2022 4:20 pm AlexAndRachel Do you know the order of magnitude re: extra cost of hebel vs foam? We have a curve in our facade which we believe will require the foam, can you end up with Hebel on the sides and some foam in a corner? Thank you in advance. is this a Boutique homes facade? If so, that curve is done with Brick Dark matter scientist, can breathe underwater, mind reader and can freeze matter just by willing it. Trust me, its in my sig. Re: Hebel + Polyfoam Construction 10Jul 11, 2022 7:19 am AlexAndRachel Do you know the order of magnitude re: extra cost of hebel vs foam? We have a curve in our facade which we believe will require the foam, can you end up with Hebel on the sides and some foam in a corner? Thank you in advance. Alexandrachel The cost difference in Sydney (understand you are in Vic) is around $80/sqm once installed. Once installed you cant tell the difference and we have used the foam on some really high end homes as that is what the client's architects specified and blended the render into the brickwork below. Noname raised a really good point. Is there any chance you can post the section of your facade with the curve so I can take a look? Thanks Simeon Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Hebel + Polyfoam Construction 11Jul 11, 2022 11:06 am Hey Alexandrachel They have just stopped insuring Flood damage buildings Next will be Highly flammable EPS/ polystyrene clad products on Class1 building . The insurers couldn't care less about what the coloured facade image looks like. What matters is the fire rating. Once your home appears on the register, it will be worthless. LOL, So much for your architect designed furnace (humour).. hth Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Hebel + Polyfoam Construction 12Jul 11, 2022 12:17 pm StructuralBIMGuy Hey Alexandrachel They have just stopped insuring Flood damage buildings Next will be Highly flammable EPS/ polystyrene clad products on Class1 building . The insurers couldn't care less about what the coloured facade image looks like. What matters is the fire rating. Once your home appears on the register, it will be worthless. LOL, So much for your architect designed furnace (humour).. hth Houses built with modern materials burn down in between 4-7 minutes even without EPS. Insurers wont stop insuring class 1 houses with EPS because the risk of a housefire actually occurring is about 0.0012% (in Vic 2.5M private residences with an average of ~3k home fires per year). The only way to remove the risk is to build entirely with non combustible materials, which is not a standard build. I'd like to point out that Lismore, which is underwater most years, had a property price increase of ~47% in the last 12 months. Even with the crazy floods and with their uninsurable houses. https://www.realestate.com.au/nsw/lismore-2480/ SO how would a house become "worthless" because of a 0.0012% risk of fire when the value of houses that that are almost certain to be damaged by floods on a yearly basis have increased an average 47%? Your argument doesn't stack up to market reality nor does it take into consideration what gives value to a house. At the very most, a higher premium could be introduced, but that's unlikely. Alexandrachel, don't let this BS sway you. One material is superior to the other, that's all there is to it. Dark matter scientist, can breathe underwater, mind reader and can freeze matter just by willing it. Trust me, its in my sig. Re: Hebel + Polyfoam Construction 13Jul 11, 2022 12:45 pm StructuralBIMGuy Noname Alexandrachel, don't let this BS sway you. One material is superior to the other, that's all there is to it. No name , no relevant qualifications, no creditability... That sums you up. Dude Funny how its been banned from other class buildings but no name doesn't give a sh!t about your build? hth Do you really need another schooling mate? It's been banned from other buildings like apartment building because evacuating 300 families down a single stairwell is a lot harder than one family getting out of a single detached dwelling. Not surprised you need the logic explained to you. In anycase a number of these products have been banned for use on class one buildings too. There's a list of the ones you can and can't use. Please explain how their home will become worthless? Dark matter scientist, can breathe underwater, mind reader and can freeze matter just by willing it. Trust me, its in my sig. Re: Hebel + Polyfoam Construction 14Jul 11, 2022 12:56 pm Keep back peddling you dip stick (humour) Ask the 10K apartment owners That now can't sell their apartments without a fire compliant cladding refit Now you're an expert on fire evacuation.. you are a joke.. stop talking hth Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Hebel + Polyfoam Construction 15Jul 11, 2022 1:00 pm Haha those apartments are being sold every day you effing mong. The body corporate of all non compliant buildings is taking care of the retrofits and owners foot the bill via their body Corp fees. The combustible cladding has to be declared in the section 32 so that prospective buyers can be considdered informed. Tell me again how their home will be worthless? Don't need to be an expert in stuff that is logical mate. 300 families down a stairwell vs 1 family out the many possible exits...did I need a degree in something to know that one is quicker than the other? Dark matter scientist, can breathe underwater, mind reader and can freeze matter just by willing it. Trust me, its in my sig. Re: Hebel + Polyfoam Construction 16Jul 11, 2022 1:12 pm Ashington Homes AlexAndRachel Do you know the order of magnitude re: extra cost of hebel vs foam? We have a curve in our facade which we believe will require the foam, can you end up with Hebel on the sides and some foam in a corner? Thank you in advance. Alexandrachel The cost difference in Sydney (understand you are in Vic) is around $80/sqm once installed. Once installed you cant tell the difference and we have used the foam on some really high end homes as that is what the client's architects specified and blended the render into the brickwork below. Noname raised a really good point. Is there any chance you can post the section of your facade with the curve so I can take a look? Thanks Simeon Hi Simeon - there is a large curve in the front, and then a minor one in the back. Re: Hebel + Polyfoam Construction 17Jul 11, 2022 1:14 pm AlexAndRachel Ashington Homes AlexAndRachel Do you know the order of magnitude re: extra cost of hebel vs foam? We have a curve in our facade which we believe will require the foam, can you end up with Hebel on the sides and some foam in a corner? Thank you in advance. Alexandrachel The cost difference in Sydney (understand you are in Vic) is around $80/sqm once installed. Once installed you cant tell the difference and we have used the foam on some really high end homes as that is what the client's architects specified and blended the render into the brickwork below. Noname raised a really good point. Is there any chance you can post the section of your facade with the curve so I can take a look? Thanks Simeon Hi Simeon - there is a large curve in the front, and then a minor one in the back. I think he meant from your plans Dark matter scientist, can breathe underwater, mind reader and can freeze matter just by willing it. Trust me, its in my sig. Re: Hebel + Polyfoam Construction 18Jul 11, 2022 1:20 pm AlexAndRachel Ashington Homes AlexAndRachel Do you know the order of magnitude re: extra cost of hebel vs foam? We have a curve in our facade which we believe will require the foam, can you end up with Hebel on the sides and some foam in a corner? Thank you in advance. Alexandrachel The cost difference in Sydney (understand you are in Vic) is around $80/sqm once installed. Once installed you cant tell the difference and we have used the foam on some really high end homes as that is what the client's architects specified and blended the render into the brickwork below. Noname raised a really good point. Is there any chance you can post the section of your facade with the curve so I can take a look? Thanks Simeon Hi Simeon - there is a large curve in the front, and then a minor one in the back. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Hebel + Polyfoam Construction 19Jul 11, 2022 1:27 pm StructuralBIMGuy Noname Houses built with modern materials burn down in between 4-7 minutes even without EPS. You are full of non sense Where did you reference this? I suggest home owners talk to a fire engineers about FRL ratings You are a dangerous idiot Litterally google it mate. I'm a dangerous idiot? How? You make no sense Dark matter scientist, can breathe underwater, mind reader and can freeze matter just by willing it. Trust me, its in my sig. Re: Hebel + Polyfoam Construction 20Jul 11, 2022 1:48 pm Noname StructuralBIMGuy Noname Houses built with modern materials burn down in between 4-7 minutes even without EPS. You are full of non sense Where did you reference this? I suggest home owners talk to a fire engineers about FRL ratings You are a dangerous idiot Litterally google it mate. I'm a dangerous idiot? How? You make no sense Seriously, take your meds and have a lie down then talk to the professional bodies ie, engineers and Building surveyors and regulators Think about what you have just said it's absolute rubbish Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs I was looking at different options for a fence for my build and Hebel PowerFence seemed like a good option (one of the criteria was a solid wall look). However, I don't… 0 5871 1 6601 1000000% definitely add insulation. I have in my home and it makes a big difference minimising sound transfer. Insulation is pretty cheap and definitely worth it 2 6174 |