Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Apr 04, 2022 5:49 pm I’m currently working with an architect to design a new duplex and take it through to DA approval stage in Sydney. The consultant fees for storm water, arborist, town planner etc are really starting to add up so I’m hoping to get an idea of what each of these should roughly cost? Current pricing seems a bit hefty but the architect assures me these are very competitive as they are suppliers he works with regularly, so curious to understand what the going rate would be for each consultant required for DA submission? Re: DA Application Cost Estimate 2Apr 04, 2022 6:41 pm Hey Carmooch Welcome to the forum It's always good to shop around beforehand, unfortunately it's too late once you are locked in with an Architect, as fees just keep mounting. As a rule of thumb most builders charge 1-2% of the contract price for the entire DA and BA documentation...It's probably double in sydney and quadruple for Double Pa̶y̶ Bay (humour) Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: DA Application Cost Estimate 3Apr 05, 2022 1:12 am Carmooch I’m currently working with an architect to design a new duplex and take it through to DA approval stage in Sydney. The consultant fees for storm water, arborist, town planner etc are really starting to add up so I’m hoping to get an idea of what each of these should roughly cost? Current pricing seems a bit hefty but the architect assures me these are very competitive as they are suppliers he works with regularly, so curious to understand what the going rate would be for each consultant required for DA submission? Hi Carmooch We are building a number of duplexes in Sydney ( including doing my own in North Ryde) and we pay $22,000 for all design fees including certification. If you email me I would be more than happy to send you my plans and also my signed fee agreement to assist you. Cheers Simeon Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: DA Application Cost Estimate 4Apr 05, 2022 1:13 am Carmooch I’m currently working with an architect to design a new duplex and take it through to DA approval stage in Sydney. The consultant fees for storm water, arborist, town planner etc are really starting to add up so I’m hoping to get an idea of what each of these should roughly cost? Current pricing seems a bit hefty but the architect assures me these are very competitive as they are suppliers he works with regularly, so curious to understand what the going rate would be for each consultant required for DA submission? Hi Carmooch We are building a number of duplexes in Sydney ( including doing my own in North Ryde) and we pay $22,000 for all design fees including certification. If you email me I would be more than happy to send you my plans and also my signed fee agreement to assist you. Cheers Simeon Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: DA Application Cost Estimate 5Apr 05, 2022 10:02 am Hey Simeon That is a fair price considering Architects fees in Sydney can be 5 times that amount. Hope you don't pay hidden commissions? Which incidentally must be fully disclosed here in Perth Cheers Chris Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: DA Application Cost Estimate 6Apr 05, 2022 10:21 am Interesting article here excerpt We’ve paid $20,000 in fees and can’t use what we have. We expected the architect to have some idea of cost. We were OK when the estimate moved from $500,000 to $800,000. But $1.4m is just beyond us. Chris Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: DA Application Cost Estimate 7Apr 05, 2022 11:42 am StructuralBIMGuy Hey Carmooch Welcome to the forum It's always good to shop around beforehand, unfortunately it's too late once you are locked in with an Architect, as fees just keep mounting. As a rule of thumb most builders charge 1-2% of the contract price for the entire DA and BA documentation...It's probably double in sydney and quadruple for Double Pa̶y̶ Bay (humour) Appreciate the response, to clarify I'm not locked in - the architect is simply recommending consultants and I'm unsure if the prices are reasonable. I guess what I'm asking is how much should I expect to pay for the following certificates for a duplex build in Sydney:
Re: DA Application Cost Estimate 8Apr 05, 2022 12:42 pm Funny how they leave out geotech/engineering for site estimates If you have zoning for subdivision then you will probably not need a town planner for a duplex as is the case in Perth Find a designer that offers the complete preliminary service, along with data and proofs. OT, Engineering is the one that most get caught out on If you are on a tight budget do not go down the full consulting route Recommended consultants will cut you off at some stage and your designer/architect will say " It's not my fault" Of late all I'm getting is enquiries from home owners trying to salvage something from an expensive exercise, get it right the first time round. Sorry, I don't give estimates in Other states, but I stand by my designs/quotes here in Perth... there's no shortage of work Cheers Chris Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: DA Application Cost Estimate 9Apr 05, 2022 1:48 pm Carmooch StructuralBIMGuy Hey Carmooch Welcome to the forum It's always good to shop around beforehand, unfortunately it's too late once you are locked in with an Architect, as fees just keep mounting. As a rule of thumb most builders charge 1-2% of the contract price for the entire DA and BA documentation...It's probably double in sydney and quadruple for Double Pa̶y̶ Bay (humour) Appreciate the response, to clarify I'm not locked in - the architect is simply recommending consultants and I'm unsure if the prices are reasonable. I guess what I'm asking is how much should I expect to pay for the following certificates for a duplex build in Sydney:
You should expect to pay no more that $20-22,000 for everything including the designer and the certifier. Anything more than that is too expensive Cheers Simeon Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: DA Application Cost Estimate 10Apr 05, 2022 1:54 pm StructuralBIMGuy Hi Chris This is an interesting article and something we see quite often. Over the past 12 months we have priced 13 jobs where people have got their own architect and or designer, spent a lot of money and the build costs are significantly higher than they anticipated. My current count is out of 13 we have priced 11 have been put on hold as the clients cant afford the build. Part of that is of course increased costs but it's also the architects going to town on the design, finishes and specifications and getting people's expectations too high. As a result we wont price other designers work anymore as it's just a waste of time. You have to work closely with the engineers and design team to value engineer it to make sure you are at least close to budget Cheers Simeon Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: DA Application Cost Estimate 11Apr 05, 2022 3:53 pm We have just started our build - it was a duplex half that had to be knocked down and tie into the remaining common wall. Block was an odd shape and I wanted a funky design which didn't make their life easy. We paid $13500 all up for the 'design', that included: - Contour Survey - Designer - Stormwater design - Geotech - Engineering - Additional demo/common wall work - dilapidation report, engineers assessment etc Doesn't include planning and building permit fees, I estimate they are an additional 2-2.5k. Re: DA Application Cost Estimate 12Feb 19, 2023 9:05 pm Budapest We have just started our build - it was a duplex half that had to be knocked down and tie into the remaining common wall. Block was an odd shape and I wanted a funky design which didn't make their life easy. We paid $13500 all up for the 'design', that included: - Contour Survey - Designer - Stormwater design - Geotech - Engineering - Additional demo/common wall work - dilapidation report, engineers assessment etc Doesn't include planning and building permit fees, I estimate they are an additional 2-2.5k. Hi, is that all the fee that you pay for having a full drawing that you can use to build a house or only for development application? Re: DA Application Cost Estimate 13Feb 19, 2023 11:57 pm That was for architectural and engineering drawings. Basically from site works through to roof on realistically. It didn't include internal design work such as cabinets, BIR/WIR, plumbing, bathroom/ensuite layout - I did them myself for the various trades. Re: DA Application Cost Estimate 14Feb 20, 2023 6:38 am Carmooch I’m currently working with an architect to design a new duplex and take it through to DA approval stage in Sydney. The consultant fees for storm water, arborist, town planner etc are really starting to add up so I’m hoping to get an idea of what each of these should roughly cost? Current pricing seems a bit hefty but the architect assures me these are very competitive as they are suppliers he works with regularly, so curious to understand what the going rate would be for each consultant required for DA submission? Carmooch We pay around $28k for Duplex CDC which includes all engineering, BASIX and certification. You will also need more money for S73 and surveyor fees, we typically budget $50k for everything Houses are cheaper but you will pay more for a duplex Cheers Simeon Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: DA Application Cost Estimate 15Feb 20, 2023 9:30 am ricky0090 Budapest We have just started our build - it was a duplex half that had to be knocked down and tie into the remaining common wall. Block was an odd shape and I wanted a funky design which didn't make their life easy. We paid $13500 all up for the 'design', that included: - Contour Survey - Designer - Stormwater design - Geotech - Engineering - Additional demo/common wall work - dilapidation report, engineers assessment etc Doesn't include planning and building permit fees, I estimate they are an additional 2-2.5k. Hi, is that all the fee that you pay for having a full drawing that you can use to build a house or only for development application? Also, get first stage estimates and data of the materials and costs, most 3D Bim software that is used for Fake coloured renderings can also provide material Data, ie No, m,m2,m3. most Builders ask Designers not to give that information to clients. Just imagine if you later chose to upgrade a PC,PS or variation. you might be at the builders mercy with whatever figures he plucks out. eg =Count int Doors ie upgrade doors, 15 x $100 approx per door =$1500 Total Upgrading doors At least you are able to check the figures or negotiate as it benefits both builders and clients Data extraction is automated...bugger all additional cost Clients know where they stand at sketch stage and it comes in hanky for weeding out tyre kickers and 3D Image dreamers (humour) Forewarned is forearmed Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: DA Application Cost Estimate 16Feb 20, 2023 10:06 am Ashington Homes StructuralBIMGuy Hi Chris This is an interesting article and something we see quite often. Over the past 12 months we have priced 13 jobs where people have got their own architect and or designer, spent a lot of money and the build costs are significantly higher than they anticipated. My current count is out of 13 we have priced 11 have been put on hold as the clients cant afford the build. Part of that is of course increased costs but it's also the architects going to town on the design, finishes and specifications and getting people's expectations too high. As a result we wont price other designers work anymore as it's just a waste of time. You have to work closely with the engineers and design team to value engineer it to make sure you are at least close to budget Cheers Simeon It's getting worse mate You should see the VR cr@p clients are now being presented with. When they turn up on site with their Oculus Head sets " tell them to climb up onto the scaffolding to be closer to the clouds... be careful of the height and dont show the brickie who's complaining about the job and not being paid enough....." Humour Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: DA Application Cost Estimate 17Mar 29, 2023 2:38 pm Hi everyone, I have paid $ 36.500 so far for the CDC - duplex in Sydney - Bankstown council - ( include architect, survyor, council fees, water, sewer, Levy, certifier) Im not sure if this is too high, I did not expected to bee this much - I hope this will help you as a guid cheers Re: DA Application Cost Estimate 18Apr 29, 2023 6:27 pm Alec Hasan I have paid $ 36.500 so far for the CDC - duplex in Sydney - Bankstown council - ( include architect, survyor, council fees, water, sewer, Levy, certifier) Im not sure if this is too high, I did not expected to bee this much - I hope this will help you as a guid Thank you for this. It does help to see these fees look like in different areas of Sydney. Re: DA Application Cost Estimate 19May 01, 2023 6:21 am Also, don't forget that some councils will also charge a levy (known as Section 7.12 levy), which is a percentage of the development cost that is imposed when a DA or CDC is issued. We are currently building and our council charged us a 1% levy once we received our CDC. Hello All, I have a small lot in one of the suburbs in Brisbane. It is 402 sqm. According to small lot code, I can construct only 50% of the area. Is there a way my… 0 2007 Thanks mate. Would you be happy to pass on their details? I'll message you. 2 1878 custom probably not. Volume, most defiantly, but spec would vary. If youre doing a knock down, there additional costs associated with that that will eat into your budget… 1 12209 |