Browse Forums Building A New House 1 Feb 25, 2023 4:56 pm I've had a question I wanted to ask a long time ago... Why do Metricon only provide 2550 and 2700 ceiling heights (floor to ceiling as indicated on their elevation drawings), but other builders like Carlisle, PD, etc. can go up to 2590 and 2740 (also floor to ceiling as indicated on their elevation drawings)? In Metricon's drawings, full plate height is 2580 for 2550 and 2730 for 2700. But in Carlisle's drawings, it states 2590 and 2740 as floor to ceiling, not even as the full plate height. I currently live in a PD home, and have also visited many Carlisle, PD, Metricon, Kingsbridge, etc. display homes, and measured the finished ceiling heights carefully at multiple spots of every house (in case of inconsistency) in all those houses. It does seem that the finished ceiling heights of Metricon homes are almost always a bit lower (by 20-40mm) than of other builders. Some might think a difference of 20-40mm in ceiling heights is not a big deal, but it is actually enough to be noticeable.. Re: Ceiling heights with Metricon (2550, 2700) 4Feb 25, 2023 8:18 pm Ardo Direct stick or furling channel could be the simplest answer. How the heck could you pick the difference in 40mm in height. Thanks Ardo. “Direct stick or furling channel could be the simplest answer.” Is that good practice or bad practice? "How the heck could you pick the difference in 40mm in height." Well... if we live in a house with 2590 for a while, and then visit another house that is 2550, the differences would be noticeable. Think about this...: People pay extra to go to 2700. Compared to 2590, that's just 110mm of height difference. If 40mm of difference wasn't noticeable, 110mm wouldn't make much of an impact neither... Re: Ceiling heights with Metricon (2550, 2700) 5Feb 25, 2023 10:27 pm Best practice, in terms of fixing plasterboard either is acceptable. In terms of flatness for appearance then leveled furling channel would be the optimum. I thought most people go from 8 foot to 9 foot ceilings. So 2400 to 2700. Hence 40mm from each would not be noticeable. Guess the 2550 is now a mix of a 1200 sheet and a 1350. Furring channel is the 40mm allowance in any ceiling most times. Re: Ceiling heights with Metricon (2550, 2700) 6Feb 25, 2023 10:43 pm Ardo Best practice, in terms of fixing plasterboard either is acceptable. In terms of flatness for appearance then leveled furling channel would be the optimum. I thought most people go from 8 foot to 9 foot ceilings. So 2400 to 2700. Hence 40mm from each would not be noticeable. Guess the 2550 is now a mix of a 1200 sheet and a 1350. Furring channel is the 40mm allowance in any ceiling most times. Thanks for your answers Ardo.. Does that imply that if Metricon say their overall plate is 2430, 2580 and 2730, then the furring channel used by them is 30mm? Re: Ceiling heights with Metricon (2550, 2700) 10Feb 26, 2023 4:10 pm alexp79 Minus 10 mm for gyprock and 20 mm for flooring, so ceilings heights will be 2370, 2520 and 2670 accordingly. Yes, that's about the correct finished ceiling heights of Metricon homes. However, when I measured Carlisle, PD etc. display homes, they are all 20-40mm higher than 2370, 2520 and 2670 that the Metricon homes have. Hence the questions of this post... Re: Ceiling heights with Metricon (2550, 2700) 11Feb 26, 2023 11:57 pm I still stand by the fact that you could not tell the difference in 20-40mm in those ceiling heights. I'm a carpenter, I measure things all day and I couldn't tell the difference in that, you are literally talking 1-2%.of total Ceiling height. If you can actually tell the difference you should change your name to the humantapemeasure. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Ceiling heights with Metricon (2550, 2700) 12Feb 27, 2023 3:12 am nestaxu I've had a question I wanted to ask a long time ago... Why do Metricon only provide 2550 and 2700 ceiling heights (floor to ceiling as indicated on their elevation drawings), but other builders like Carlisle, PD, etc. can go up to 2590 and 2740 (also floor to ceiling as indicated on their elevation drawings)? In Metricon's drawings, full plate height is 2580 for 2550 and 2730 for 2700. But in Carlisle's drawings, it states 2590 and 2740 as floor to ceiling, not even as the full plate height. I currently live in a PD home, and have also visited many Carlisle, PD, Metricon, Kingsbridge, etc. display homes, and measured the finished ceiling heights carefully at multiple spots of every house (in case of inconsistency) in all those houses. It does seem that the finished ceiling heights of Metricon homes are almost always a bit lower (by 20-40mm) than of other builders. Some might think a difference of 20-40mm in ceiling heights is not a big deal, but it is actually enough to be noticeable.. My guess is that they have standardised their ceiling heights to the floor joist system they use, however as It sounds like you don't mind doing a bit of digging, if you have a spare 10 minutes, call Metricon's head office in Melbourne, ask to speak to Ned Bokhaazi ( he is the guy in charge of exactly this issue), tell him Simeon McGovern said to call and see if you can get an answer for us. FYI in my time there, Ned was the head designer in our department in charge of Metriconising all the drawings that came in, so if anyone knows the answer its him. I just realised that the above paragraph may need to explanation as to why it is relevant. I ran the duplex/townhouse division in NSW, Often clients would have their own architectural plans and they would then need to be standardised into the Metricon way of building. It used to drive my team insane as we would have an approval by a high end architect for say 200 homes and then they all needed to be dumbed down into Metricon standards. Often this would make construction so much more difficult as the approved plans rarely matched the Metricon construction plans. Anyhow. All the best Simeon Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Ceiling heights with Metricon (2550, 2700) 13Feb 27, 2023 6:42 am nestaxu Some might think a difference of 20-40mm in ceiling heights is not a big deal, but it is actually enough to be noticeable.. It's only noticeable because you've gone around with you knickers in a twist measuring and scrutinising ceiling heights in multiple houses. To the rest of the population, it's not. 99.99999% of people aren't looking up and doing trigonometry in their heads instead of living in the space. Re: Ceiling heights with Metricon (2550, 2700) 14Feb 27, 2023 8:28 pm ponzutwo nestaxu Some might think a difference of 20-40mm in ceiling heights is not a big deal, but it is actually enough to be noticeable.. It's only noticeable because you've gone around with you knickers in a twist measuring and scrutinising ceiling heights in multiple houses. To the rest of the population, it's not. 99.99999% of people aren't looking up and doing trigonometry in their heads instead of living in the space. Too many people pay extra to raise their ceilings.. Yes I agree most people won't always look up, but they do care about the vertical dimension However, I get your point. Re: Ceiling heights with Metricon (2550, 2700) 15Feb 27, 2023 8:40 pm chippy I still stand by the fact that you could not tell the difference in 20-40mm in those ceiling heights. I'm a carpenter, I measure things all day and I couldn't tell the difference in that, you are literally talking 1-2%.of total Ceiling height. If you can actually tell the difference you should change your name to the humantapemeasure. lol, I like the name Of cause I couldn't tell by how much it is lower or higher, but if the difference is as much as 40mm, it can be felt especially if there is a good size of open area in the house. Re: Ceiling heights with Metricon (2550, 2700) 16Feb 27, 2023 8:47 pm You do understand that even the dimensions on the plan are larger than what you actually get. Dimensions are to framing members or face of bricks. You always have to take into account plaster and floor finishes. So you are always getting less than the dimensions noted on the plans. One house may have 20mm timber flooring another May have 5mm vinyl. That's a 15mm difference straight away in ceiling height. You really can't tell the difference and you aren't getting ripped off. The ceiling heights just step up incrementally and basing the choice of a builder on the fact that they might give you an extra 20mm of ceiling height would be very low on the criteria. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Ceiling heights with Metricon (2550, 2700) 17Feb 27, 2023 8:54 pm chippy You do understand that even the dimensions on the plan are larger than what you actually get. Dimensions are to framing members or face of bricks. You always have to take into account plaster and floor finishes. So you are always getting less than the dimensions noted on the plans. One house may have 20mm timber flooring another May have 5mm vinyl. That's a 15mm difference straight away in ceiling height. You really can't tell the difference and you aren't getting ripped off. The ceiling heights just step up incrementally and basing the choice of a builder on the fact that they might give you an extra 20mm of ceiling height would be very low on the criteria. Yes I do understand the actual dimensions are smaller than the plan due to plastering and different flooring, and I'm not comparing Metricon's actual finished dimensions to the plans of other builders, but apple to apple by comparing all finished dimensions of various builders. There might be a small difference in flooring in those display homes but 20mm flooring is a fair estimate as I wouldn't reckon a display home would use 5mm flooring... Anyway, I get your point mate. Re: Ceiling heights with Metricon (2550, 2700) 18Feb 27, 2023 9:13 pm Ashington Homes nestaxu I've had a question I wanted to ask a long time ago... Why do Metricon only provide 2550 and 2700 ceiling heights (floor to ceiling as indicated on their elevation drawings), but other builders like Carlisle, PD, etc. can go up to 2590 and 2740 (also floor to ceiling as indicated on their elevation drawings)? In Metricon's drawings, full plate height is 2580 for 2550 and 2730 for 2700. But in Carlisle's drawings, it states 2590 and 2740 as floor to ceiling, not even as the full plate height. I currently live in a PD home, and have also visited many Carlisle, PD, Metricon, Kingsbridge, etc. display homes, and measured the finished ceiling heights carefully at multiple spots of every house (in case of inconsistency) in all those houses. It does seem that the finished ceiling heights of Metricon homes are almost always a bit lower (by 20-40mm) than of other builders. Some might think a difference of 20-40mm in ceiling heights is not a big deal, but it is actually enough to be noticeable.. My guess is that they have standardised their ceiling heights to the floor joist system they use, however as It sounds like you don't mind doing a bit of digging, if you have a spare 10 minutes, call Metricon's head office in Melbourne, ask to speak to Ned Bokhaazi ( he is the guy in charge of exactly this issue), tell him Simeon McGovern said to call and see if you can get an answer for us. FYI in my time there, Ned was the head designer in our department in charge of Metriconising all the drawings that came in, so if anyone knows the answer its him. I just realised that the above paragraph may need to explanation as to why it is relevant. I ran the duplex/townhouse division in NSW, Often clients would have their own architectural plans and they would then need to be standardised into the Metricon way of building. It used to drive my team insane as we would have an approval by a high end architect for say 200 homes and then they all needed to be dumbed down into Metricon standards. Often this would make construction so much more difficult as the approved plans rarely matched the Metricon construction plans. Anyhow. All the best Simeon Thanks Simeon. It's enlightening to hear about this Yes it could be part of the Metriconising that you pointed out.. I wouldn't call Ned directly but I do appreciate your comment and suggestion! Re: Ceiling heights with Metricon (2550, 2700) 20Feb 28, 2023 8:25 am ponzutwo I really hope for your sake that your choice doesn't end up hinging on 20mm of anything. There are more important factors to considder. You are absolutely right ponzutwo. Is the 20-40mm of height difference an annoyance? Likely yes to those (including myself) who look up in the open areas of the houses, as it can indeed be felt especially when compared with ceilings up to 40mm of difference.. Is this a deal breaker? Likely no, as like you also mentioned there are many other more important factors to consider in choosing a builder. 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