Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Feb 2022 - Is there shortage of bricklayer in NSW curren 2Feb 09, 2022 12:15 pm SaintSir Starting this discussion to see if anyone is building currently and experience delays with brickworks, etc. I have been waiting for 8 weeks since frame was completed and still no sign of brickwork starting.. Saintsir I don't believe there is. I put one of our jobs on the app we arent allowed to mention in this forum ( rhymes with ages) a week and half ago and I had 3 crews who were ready to start in days. Although there is possibly a shortage at the price your builder has budgeted for. That would explain the 8 week delay. Good luck Simeon Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Feb 2022 - Is there shortage of bricklayer in NSW curren 4Feb 09, 2022 2:50 pm SaintSir Ahh, I see. Thanks for the info @Ashtington Homes. That rhymes rings a bell great to see you worked it out. That compares to framing companies who are telling me 3 - 4 months, I have had a quite a few tell me they are not taking any orders till 2023. When I put framing carpenters into the app, I only had one interested who said he had no work then I got his price today and it was next level insane, so I understand why he has no work. A year ago the same add would have had my phone ringing off the hook. Anyhow, I can give you some bricklayers numbers if you want to pass them onto your supervisor Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Feb 2022 - Is there shortage of bricklayer in NSW curren 5Feb 09, 2022 3:39 pm Simone, out of curiosity, what is the "app" name? Do you mind PM me? Re: Feb 2022 - Is there shortage of bricklayer in NSW curren 6Feb 09, 2022 3:44 pm Oakland Projects Simone, out of curiosity, what is the "app" name? Do you mind PM me? I just tried to PM you but the system even bans the word in a PM lol text me on 0431712792 and I'll tell you the secret censored word Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Feb 2022 - Is there shortage of bricklayer in NSW curren 7Feb 09, 2022 3:51 pm Okay everyone, I have had to completely lower myself this afternoon, and I feel really dirty and ashamed as I did something I promised myself I would never do since I left Metricon.....I started phoning prefab timber frame and truss companies! now I need a shower. My defence is I have taken one for the homeone team, in that there are often questions about frame delays for people building with project home companies, and I am semi desperate for 3 jobs that we are commencing shortly. Okay, so here is what I have learnt.... we wont be using prefab timber frames. Essentially most companies in Sydney are booked out until 2023 and wont take on new clients. So I then asked the follow up question of "well just out of curiosity, for your existing clients what are their lead times like?" and the answer was between 4-5 months. I'll be using steel from here on. Now I'm off for a wash. Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Feb 2022 - Is there shortage of bricklayer in NSW curren 8Feb 09, 2022 3:59 pm Ashington Homes SaintSir Ahh, I see. Thanks for the info @Ashtington Homes. That rhymes rings a bell great to see you worked it out. That compares to framing companies who are telling me 3 - 4 months, I have had a quite a few tell me they are not taking any orders till 2023. When I put framing carpenters into the app, I only had one interested who said he had no work then I got his price today and it was next level insane, so I understand why he has no work. A year ago the same add would have had my phone ringing off the hook. Anyhow, I can give you some bricklayers numbers if you want to pass them onto your supervisor Do share your contacts please. I will pass it on to my SS if they are willing to hire Re: Feb 2022 - Is there shortage of bricklayer in NSW curren 9Feb 09, 2022 3:59 pm Hi Simeon, hope you're sufficiently cleansed now. As a customer, should I simply be happy with steel, or are there other considerations to be taken into account? My builder hasn't raised this yet, but I would like to have some idea of relevant questions incase he does. Re: Feb 2022 - Is there shortage of bricklayer in NSW curren 10Feb 09, 2022 8:43 pm Ask your builder which type of frame and truss system they can get the quickest! and be prepared to go with ether option. Both have their pro's & con's We are Expert Consultant's, and we are here to help. Re: Feb 2022 - Is there shortage of bricklayer in NSW curren 11Feb 10, 2022 5:26 am SaintSir Ashington Homes SaintSir Ahh, I see. Thanks for the info @Ashtington Homes. That rhymes rings a bell great to see you worked it out. That compares to framing companies who are telling me 3 - 4 months, I have had a quite a few tell me they are not taking any orders till 2023. When I put framing carpenters into the app, I only had one interested who said he had no work then I got his price today and it was next level insane, so I understand why he has no work. A year ago the same add would have had my phone ringing off the hook. Anyhow, I can give you some bricklayers numbers if you want to pass them onto your supervisor Do share your contacts please. I will pass it on to my SS if they are willing to hire I will PM you some later today Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Feb 2022 - Is there shortage of bricklayer in NSW curren 12Feb 10, 2022 9:17 am SJT76 Hi Simeon, hope you're sufficiently cleansed now. As a customer, should I simply be happy with steel, or are there other considerations to be taken into account? My builder hasn't raised this yet, but I would like to have some idea of relevant questions incase he does. SJT76 Really good question which requires a long answer but I will try and do a summary. Firstly, I have to begin by saying that I have never used steel frames due to the cost, so I cant comment on any long term issues. I have spent the last 10 months researching steel and we are switching all our 2022 builds over. So here is a summary based on my experience and knowledge: 1. Pre Manufactured Timber frames and Trusses - Cheapest Option Pros - Cheap and fast to install Cons - use inferior timber, normally 70x35mm and frames and trusses are often not straight from the factory. If the slab is not laid properly, you will get frame overhang and there is little opportunity or ability to fix onsite. Frames are typically nailed to the slab. Normally erected by teams that have less skills than those who stick build. They normally erect the steel last and try and make it fit and if it doesnt, they use plastic packers and metal bracing straps to try and hold everything together. Lead times in 2022 are ridiculous currently 4-5 months 2. Site cut or stick built frames - Expensive and slower to erect as all lengths are measured and cut on site Pros- Higher quality timber, 90x45mm. Everything is cut and measured onsite, frames are dynabolted to the slab. Steel is erected first and frames are correctly attached to the steel with hex screws. You can easily make changes onsite. Overall a much better way to build. Lead time 4-6 weeks. Cons - Time and cost, lack of available carpenters and supplies. 3. Steel - Currently cheaper then stick building have a 3 month lead time. Pros - You get a full 3d design of the frame so you can check everything before manufacture, they pre drill all the holes for plumbing and electrical rough ins, frames are straight, fast to erect, not susceptible to termite damage. Rough ins will be faster as everything is predrilled. Cons - A little more challenging fixing sarking and brick ties. Less ability to make changes to frames onsite if you don't like the size of a room or location of a wall. I hope this helps a little Cheers Simeon Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Feb 2022 - Is there shortage of bricklayer in NSW curren 14Feb 10, 2022 12:34 pm Joker Does steel framed homes mean u will get more plaster cracks due to steels rigidity. Hi Joker I saw you mention this the other day, and as I haven't heard this before. Might very well be true, I simply don't know. So what I have done is reached out to our two main gyprocking crews to see if they know anything. I will also reach out to the steel framing companies and ask them as well. When I get an answer I shall update this post. But thinking about it, most office partitioning is steel framed and I am not sure you get a lot of cracks in the gyprock, perhaps those frames move less due to being in airconditioned. Not sure. Good question though. Let's try and get an answer Simeon Update: Joker so I just heard back from one of my gyprockers who does a lot of work with steel frames and he says there is no issue he has come across. Will let you know if I hear anything to the contrary. Second Update: So I just heard from my other gyprocker and his response was as follows: "There are 3 major things that cause cracks in Gyprock, 1. Expansion joints not installed where required 2. foundations sinking 3. Poor quality. All apartments are built with a metal stud system, so I think steel frames are reliable" Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Feb 2022 - Is there shortage of bricklayer in NSW curren 15Apr 28, 2022 11:26 am There seems to be delays with supplies and trades currently in NSW. The build progress in my home is very slow and the builder does not seem to be transparent with it. Can anyone provide and insight update on what's going on and what trades are affected how long is this going to go on for? Re: Feb 2022 - Is there shortage of bricklayer in NSW curren 16Apr 28, 2022 11:40 am Honestly, other than some ovens we couldn't get this month and timber, our business hasn't suffered any significant delays on our projects. Prices are very high but we are finding trades available. We just have to spend heaps of time phoning around. We are finding that some items are delayed like front doors but luckily our clients are working with us to find alternatives so that our projects can keep moving. I think the issue is that builders have priced jobs on old rates and they are struggling to find trades for cheap prices to avoid losing money. Case in point I am starting bricklaying tomorrow. I had budget $1.20 for commons and $1.40 for face. I put the call out for bricklayers on Monday, I had 8 crews ready to start this week, problem was most wanted $1.30 for commons and $1.80 for face ( for my footings this means an extra $6,000). We kept phoning around and I found a crew for $1.15 commons and $1.55 face. Point being is that trades are available. In the end I am paying an extra $1800, but interest is costing me $1500 per week so it makes sense. The main issue remains frames, but we have switched to steel which has a 3 month lead time, so we book frames in day one so there is no delay, just need to be organised. if you MSG me I would be happy to shoot you the numbers of a bunch of bricklayers who are free this week. cheers Simeon Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Feb 2022 - Is there shortage of bricklayer in NSW curren 17Apr 28, 2022 11:54 am Ashington Homes Honestly, other than some ovens we couldn't get this month and timber, our business hasn't suffered any significant delays on our projects. Prices are very high but we are finding trades available. We just have to spend heaps of time phoning around. We are finding that some items are delayed like front doors but luckily our clients are working with us to find alternatives so that our projects can keep moving. I think the issue is that builders have priced jobs on old rates and they are struggling to find trades for cheap prices to avoid losing money. Case in point I am starting bricklaying tomorrow. I had budget $1.20 for commons and $1.40 for face. I put the call out for bricklayers on Monday, I had 8 crews ready to start this week, problem was most wanted $1.30 for commons and $1.80 for face ( for my footings this means an extra $6,000). We kept phoning around and I found a crew for $1.15 commons and $1.55 face. Point being is that trades are available. In the end I am paying an extra $1800, but interest is costing me $1500 per week so it makes sense. The main issue remains frames, but we have switched to steel which has a 3 month lead time, so we book frames in day one so there is no delay, just need to be organised. cheers Simeon Sounds like you are being proactive and organised well.. good for your clients and thanks for the info. Honestly, with my project.. I wish the builder was just transparent with what is going on to manage clients expectation at least. There are so many days I drive pass the house just to find out nothing has progressed and get frustrated. Re: Feb 2022 - Is there shortage of bricklayer in NSW curren 18Apr 28, 2022 1:34 pm Without trying to be too dramatic, and I am not sure who you are building with, unfortunately builder's delaying and not turning up could be a sign that they are in financial difficulty and not paying subbies. Obviously if subbies aren't getting paid they wont show up. I hope that is not the case for you Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Feb 2022 - Is there shortage of bricklayer in NSW curren 19Apr 28, 2022 7:25 pm The issue with Tradies on New Builds are many depending on the Builders choices of Subbies or Rates. Since the pandemic a lot of overseas workers left and went home in fear of being trapped in Australia unable to get back home for an extended period of time. A lot of overseas workers that were working on sites both commercial and residential are on either Student, Holiday or Short Term visas which is why a lot left Australia to go back home. A lot of companies that work in the industry have the Boss who lives here permanetly and than rotates staff when they fly in to work, which worked well until Covid hit which resulted in no fly ins. The other issue is Rates which a lot of Local tradies just can not afford to live on after paying their tax, gst, super, insurances, fuel & wages. Some builders generally the smaller guys tend to pay higher rates and this gives them more consistant build times because they can use local trades but maybe less margin. Saying that most will have less overheads than the Large Volume Builders. The boom in property price is also a problem which has resulted in a lot of people having equity in their house and can not afford to buy elsewhere due to high prices so people have opted in the past few years to renovate and borrow back on their equity. Renovation pays higher for tradies than builders but work can be up and down when in this type of industry. The past few years has seen high growth in the renovation market so most local tradies are generally prefering these type of jobs. Fires & Floods are having an impact to certain supplies but generally speaking its not that high volume of supplies that actually come from Australia. The insurance claims have also caused a lot of tradies to do insurance work which can be better money for them but its quite chaotic trying to schedule your long term works as they are often required to be completed asap or job goes to the next in line. Our reliance on overseas materials is a major problem becuase a lot of Australian Companies are owned by overseas countries. When Covid hit most suppliers stopped shipping because of the panic, confusion and the unknown of what we were all going through and wanted to keep products for themselves first suring up their own supply. This caused a domino effect as the shipping industry came to a halt and a lot of shipping companies either parked their ships if they could afford staff and maitain the ships or sent them to scrap metal as a lot did. The big Volume Builders are building less today than they did 4-6 years ago but we didnt have Covid or the extreme weather events which we seem to be experiencing more often. Re: Feb 2022 - Is there shortage of bricklayer in NSW curren 20Apr 28, 2022 7:56 pm Splashers The issue with Tradies on New Builds are many depending on the Builders choices of Subbies or Rates. Since the pandemic a lot of overseas workers left and went home in fear of being trapped in Australia unable to get back home for an extended period of time. A lot of overseas workers that were working on sites both commercial and residential are on either Student, Holiday or Short Term visas which is why a lot left Australia to go back home. A lot of companies that work in the industry have the Boss who lives here permanetly and than rotates staff when they fly in to work, which worked well until Covid hit which resulted in no fly ins. The other issue is Rates which a lot of Local tradies just can not afford to live on after paying their tax, gst, super, insurances, fuel & wages. Some builders generally the smaller guys tend to pay higher rates and this gives them more consistant build times because they can use local trades but maybe less margin. Saying that most will have less overheads than the Large Volume Builders. The boom in property price is also a problem which has resulted in a lot of people having equity in their house and can not afford to buy elsewhere due to high prices so people have opted in the past few years to renovate and borrow back on their equity. Renovation pays higher for tradies than builders but work can be up and down when in this type of industry. The past few years has seen high growth in the renovation market so most local tradies are generally prefering these type of jobs. Fires & Floods are having an impact to certain supplies but generally speaking its not that high volume of supplies that actually come from Australia. The insurance claims have also caused a lot of tradies to do insurance work which can be better money for them but its quite chaotic trying to schedule your long term works as they are often required to be completed asap or job goes to the next in line. Our reliance on overseas materials is a major problem becuase a lot of Australian Companies are owned by overseas countries. When Covid hit most suppliers stopped shipping because of the panic, confusion and the unknown of what we were all going through and wanted to keep products for themselves first suring up their own supply. This caused a domino effect as the shipping industry came to a halt and a lot of shipping companies either parked their ships if they could afford staff and maitain the ships or sent them to scrap metal as a lot did. The big Volume Builders are building less today than they did 4-6 years ago but we didnt have Covid or the extreme weather events which we seem to be experiencing more often. Interesting post Splashers But that doesn't explain why these builders aren't getting any work done for months at a time. Things aren't that bad out there. There has to be another explanation, and my bet is on a lack of cashflow. 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