Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Metricon signature vs custom builder 2Jun 16, 2021 5:04 am Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Metricon signature vs custom builder 5Jun 17, 2021 5:41 am Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Metricon signature vs custom builder 10Jul 16, 2021 7:32 am Hi Ajzmjd Probably not, after reading so much negative about Metricon. I want something to live in with hustle free and also something to have a good resale value in the future. HH Re: Metricon signature vs custom builder 11Feb 09, 2022 5:18 pm I built with Metricon in 2016 and couldn't have been happier with the entire process and finished product. Metricon have built thousands and thousands of homes since the Softley case without issues. Re: Metricon signature vs custom builder 12Feb 09, 2022 5:54 pm Reading Softly vs. Metricon will provide Metricon's potential customers with good insights into Metricon Melbourne Victoria's past, current, and likely future behaviours regarding accepting responsibility for their building defects. Nothing has changed except their lawyers have got better at managing risk and liabilty. Every potential customer should read the full transcript of this case as well as viewing the 60 minutes and A Current Affair etc. exposes before paying Metricon anything. It was a disgusting and shameful treatment by Metricon of an innocent young couple buying their first home together in Suburban Melbourne. Re: Metricon signature vs custom builder 13Feb 09, 2022 6:55 pm Agree its all about buyer perception in upper northshore - the brand of the builder potentially fetches you a higher sale price. However even if you have a Metricon home built in upper north shore you will get almost the same price. The issue in northshore is limited house supply and more so limited new house supply - everything is old here. Buyers aren't choosey whether its a double brick of hebel they want a new place and will pay the premium. I am currently building with Metricon in KMC. I can tell you in a $1.5m budget you can go all out with Metricon. The build time is faster too as these guys are volume builders. Re: Metricon signature vs custom builder 14Feb 09, 2022 7:15 pm bstewart I built with Metricon in 2016 and couldn't have been happier with the entire process and finished product. Metricon have built thousands and thousands of homes since the Softley case without issues. And thousand of houses that are $hitboxes with hundreds of defects where the owners don't have any money or energy left to fight it. Dark matter scientist, can breathe underwater, mind reader and can freeze matter just by willing it. Trust me, its in my sig. Re: Metricon signature vs custom builder 15Feb 10, 2022 7:16 am sydman i suggest you monitor your Metricon NSW KDR build in Kuringai council very closely. Metricon uses the lowest end subcontractors on Signature Series builds there with minimal checking of their workmanship. Any decent ones choose to work for custom home builders and the higher quality volume builders. Sadly, as many recent Metricon customers on the Sydney North Shore and Northern Beaches will attest, the naive consumer perception of Metricon 'quality' has not been their reality. Re: Metricon signature vs custom builder 16Feb 10, 2022 8:53 am Sydman Agree its all about buyer perception in upper northshore - the brand of the builder potentially fetches you a higher sale price. However even if you have a Metricon home built in upper north shore you will get almost the same price. The issue in northshore is limited house supply and more so limited new house supply - everything is old here. Buyers aren't choosey whether its a double brick of hebel they want a new place and will pay the premium. I am currently building with Metricon in KMC. I can tell you in a $1.5m budget you can go all out with Metricon. The build time is faster too as these guys are volume builders. Sydman With due respect I totally disagree with your post. I have a spreadsheet that I have been using to track the sale prices of the premium custom builds on the Northshore versus Metricon in particular. The reason I was tracking this was that I was seriously looking at doing a flip around St Ives or Turramurra. I even negotiated the purchase of a 12 month old Metricon home in Pymble for a colleague of mine and it was 2 doors away from a Homestead home that was also roughly 12 months old, and believe me there was a massive price difference. For the record, this house was well built for a project home, but it wasn't in the ball park of a Homestead or Meadowbank home. If you speak with any of the leading agents ( happy to give you names off line) who service Pymble, St Ives or Turramurra, they will tell you that buyers pay a massive premium for anything that is constructed by the 2 leading custom builders ( Homestead and Meadowbank) over a Metricon home. This is especially true for the Chinese buyers who like premium branded products. There is a significant difference in the quality of a project home build versus a custom home, and a lot of the items are things you can not see, like framing slabs, roofing etc where the custom guys have higher quality trades and foreman who actually attend the sites regularly and control the build. Honestly, if you look at all the record sales that have been achieved over the last 2-3 years in St Ives and Turramurra, they are all custom builds. Metricon's builds aren't even close in price. Offline I would be more than happy to provide you details of names and addresses and prices if you like. I know it's tempting to think you are on a winner with a project home in a premium suburb, but having spent my career working in both sectors and seeing how the sausage is made, there is no way that you can compare a $1.5m Metricon build to a similarly priced Homestead home. Basic example is the framing which is the heart and soul of the structure. Metricon use pre manufactured frames that are either 70x35mm or at best 90x35mm. Pre made frames are often warped and are very rarely straight. The problem is so bad that they use two different teams of carpenters, the first team erects the frames and the second team comes to try and straighten the frames. This is unheard of in the custom sector. Custom guys use 90x45mm site cut timber which costs a lot more and is a lot stonger and straighter. This translates directly to the straightness of your internal walls and finishes. In my time at Metricon they used a 2 coat Taubmans paint system ( this might have changed since 2016). No decent painter will tell you that 2 coats is sufficient. I have had the Taubmans reps in my office after a lot of customer complaints who have told me that they recommend a 3 coat system as the first coat is often sucked into the gyprock. I could go on with many more examples. Metricon are a great company, but they do build to a budget, so as long as you know that you are not getting a premium product, then that is fine. Where people get confused is when they go to a display house and see all the pretty shiny sparkly things that the interior designers have done and forget about all of the key items that a house needs for shelter. If I was on a really tight budget then I would probably choose Metricon ( really solid company, lovely people, great owners etc), but with $1.5m there is no way I would choose them, especially if I was looking at maximising the re sale value on the Northshore of Sydney. We are about to start a 500 sqm home in St Ives, for $1.3m ( including demo, pool and it's in a flame zone), premium finishes, I would be more than happy to show you the plans and I would like your honest opinion if it is better than anything the project home guys can do. Other than that, sorry for my rant, it is just something I really feel strongly about. PS. to reiterate, I really like Metricon and all the people there, so I don't want this misunderstood as a bash Metricon post, because it isn't. Just my opinion and experience comparing project homes to custom homes on the North Shore in terms of resale value. Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. Re: Metricon signature vs custom builder 17Feb 10, 2022 11:58 am Ashington Homes Sydman Agree its all about buyer perception in upper northshore - the brand of the builder potentially fetches you a higher sale price. However even if you have a Metricon home built in upper north shore you will get almost the same price. The issue in northshore is limited house supply and more so limited new house supply - everything is old here. Buyers aren't choosey whether its a double brick of hebel they want a new place and will pay the premium. I am currently building with Metricon in KMC. I can tell you in a $1.5m budget you can go all out with Metricon. The build time is faster too as these guys are volume builders. Sydman With due respect I totally disagree with your post. I have a spreadsheet that I have been using to track the sale prices of the premium custom builds on the Northshore versus Metricon in particular. The reason I was tracking this was that I was seriously looking at doing a flip around St Ives or Turramurra. I even negotiated the purchase of a 12 month old Metricon home in Pymble for a colleague of mine and it was 2 doors away from a Homestead home that was also roughly 12 months old, and believe me there was a massive price difference. For the record, this house was well built for a project home, but it wasn't in the ball park of a Homestead or Meadowbank home. If you speak with any of the leading agents ( happy to give you names off line) who service Pymble, St Ives or Turramurra, they will tell you that buyers pay a massive premium for anything that is constructed by the 2 leading custom builders ( Homestead and Meadowbank) over a Metricon home. This is especially true for the Chinese buyers who like premium branded products. There is a significant difference in the quality of a project home build versus a custom home, and a lot of the items are things you can not see, like framing slabs, roofing etc where the custom guys have higher quality trades and foreman who actually attend the sites regularly and control the build. Honestly, if you look at all the record sales that have been achieved over the last 2-3 years in St Ives and Turramurra, they are all custom builds. Metricon's builds aren't even close in price. Offline I would be more than happy to provide you details of names and addresses and prices if you like. I know it's tempting to think you are on a winner with a project home in a premium suburb, but having spent my career working in both sectors and seeing how the sausage is made, there is no way that you can compare a $1.5m Metricon build to a similarly priced Homestead home. Basic example is the framing which is the heart and soul of the structure. Metricon use pre manufactured frames that are either 70x35mm or at best 90x35mm. Pre made frames are often warped and are very rarely straight. The problem is so bad that they use two different teams of carpenters, the first team erects the frames and the second team comes to try and straighten the frames. This is unheard of in the custom sector. Custom guys use 90x45mm site cut timber which costs a lot more and is a lot stonger and straighter. This translates directly to the straightness of your internal walls and finishes. In my time at Metricon they used a 2 coat Taubmans paint system ( this might have changed since 2016). No decent painter will tell you that 2 coats is sufficient. I have had the Taubmans reps in my office after a lot of customer complaints who have told me that they recommend a 3 coat system as the first coat is often sucked into the gyprock. I could go on with many more examples. Metricon are a great company, but they do build to a budget, so as long as you know that you are not getting a premium product, then that is fine. Where people get confused is when they go to a display house and see all the pretty shiny sparkly things that the interior designers have done and forget about all of the key items that a house needs for shelter. If I was on a really tight budget then I would probably choose Metricon ( really solid company, lovely people, great owners etc), but with $1.5m there is no way I would choose them, especially if I was looking at maximising the re sale value on the Northshore of Sydney. We are about to start a 500 sqm home in St Ives, for $1.3m ( including demo, pool and it's in a flame zone), premium finishes, I would be more than happy to show you the plans and I would like your honest opinion if it is better than anything the project home guys can do. Other than that, sorry for my rant, it is just something I really feel strongly about. PS. to reiterate, I really like Metricon and all the people there, so I don't want this misunderstood as a bash Metricon post, because it isn't. Just my opinion and experience comparing project homes to custom homes on the North Shore in terms of resale value. This maybe true when comparing a basic Metricon home, but the topic here was signature series. If comparing a signature series with a like-for-like pool and landscaping to a premium custom builder, then I don't believe there is a "massive" price difference. The question on quality is a subjective area and varies build to build. I do agree with a custom builder you probably get better control and oversight on the build, but whether it translates into a higher sell price, there is little evidence to support this. Re: Metricon signature vs custom builder 18Feb 10, 2022 12:24 pm i think you missed the point Sydman, the signature series is a pig with lipstick. The question of quality is not subjective, it 100% objective. the slab, the frame and everythnig else that gets covered up is 100% the same as any basic metricon home. There is no premium inclusion here, and you wouldnt know as a general consumer either. You are paying for marketing and some more premium materials for the finishes. Not necessarily a premium product. There is a difference. One of the most successful marketing ploys of any industry is to make the client feel like what they are getting is special and exclusive. Metricon do that very well. Many feel so swept up in that they often display cognitive dissonance when it comes to what they are getting for their money. The workmanship wont be drastically different and the staff working on a basic 18 square metricon home will be the same that work on a premium 52 square "signiature series" inside joke. There are thousands of unhappy metricon customer stories from across their entire range. There is a facebook group you can go and view some of the workmanship of these premium homes and read various horror stories. What you get for 1.5M from metricon is objectively less value. Dark matter scientist, can breathe underwater, mind reader and can freeze matter just by willing it. Trust me, its in my sig. Re: Metricon signature vs custom builder 19Feb 10, 2022 12:29 pm Metricon's 'Signature Series' is just a marketing package. The design principles, materials, constuction quality, supervision and warranty service are the same low entry level standard as your 'basic' Metricon NSW house. Of course some fixings and fittings will be more expensive as well as the property's landscaping etc. Most buyers in the circa $4 million price range are savvy and will look beyond Metricon's facade in assesing a property's value. Re: Metricon signature vs custom builder 20Feb 10, 2022 1:04 pm Sydman Ashington Homes Sydman Agree its all about buyer perception in upper northshore - the brand of the builder potentially fetches you a higher sale price. However even if you have a Metricon home built in upper north shore you will get almost the same price. The issue in northshore is limited house supply and more so limited new house supply - everything is old here. Buyers aren't choosey whether its a double brick of hebel they want a new place and will pay the premium. I am currently building with Metricon in KMC. I can tell you in a $1.5m budget you can go all out with Metricon. The build time is faster too as these guys are volume builders. Sydman With due respect I totally disagree with your post. I have a spreadsheet that I have been using to track the sale prices of the premium custom builds on the Northshore versus Metricon in particular. The reason I was tracking this was that I was seriously looking at doing a flip around St Ives or Turramurra. I even negotiated the purchase of a 12 month old Metricon home in Pymble for a colleague of mine and it was 2 doors away from a Homestead home that was also roughly 12 months old, and believe me there was a massive price difference. For the record, this house was well built for a project home, but it wasn't in the ball park of a Homestead or Meadowbank home. If you speak with any of the leading agents ( happy to give you names off line) who service Pymble, St Ives or Turramurra, they will tell you that buyers pay a massive premium for anything that is constructed by the 2 leading custom builders ( Homestead and Meadowbank) over a Metricon home. This is especially true for the Chinese buyers who like premium branded products. There is a significant difference in the quality of a project home build versus a custom home, and a lot of the items are things you can not see, like framing slabs, roofing etc where the custom guys have higher quality trades and foreman who actually attend the sites regularly and control the build. Honestly, if you look at all the record sales that have been achieved over the last 2-3 years in St Ives and Turramurra, they are all custom builds. Metricon's builds aren't even close in price. Offline I would be more than happy to provide you details of names and addresses and prices if you like. I know it's tempting to think you are on a winner with a project home in a premium suburb, but having spent my career working in both sectors and seeing how the sausage is made, there is no way that you can compare a $1.5m Metricon build to a similarly priced Homestead home. Basic example is the framing which is the heart and soul of the structure. Metricon use pre manufactured frames that are either 70x35mm or at best 90x35mm. Pre made frames are often warped and are very rarely straight. The problem is so bad that they use two different teams of carpenters, the first team erects the frames and the second team comes to try and straighten the frames. This is unheard of in the custom sector. Custom guys use 90x45mm site cut timber which costs a lot more and is a lot stonger and straighter. This translates directly to the straightness of your internal walls and finishes. In my time at Metricon they used a 2 coat Taubmans paint system ( this might have changed since 2016). No decent painter will tell you that 2 coats is sufficient. I have had the Taubmans reps in my office after a lot of customer complaints who have told me that they recommend a 3 coat system as the first coat is often sucked into the gyprock. I could go on with many more examples. Metricon are a great company, but they do build to a budget, so as long as you know that you are not getting a premium product, then that is fine. Where people get confused is when they go to a display house and see all the pretty shiny sparkly things that the interior designers have done and forget about all of the key items that a house needs for shelter. If I was on a really tight budget then I would probably choose Metricon ( really solid company, lovely people, great owners etc), but with $1.5m there is no way I would choose them, especially if I was looking at maximising the re sale value on the Northshore of Sydney. We are about to start a 500 sqm home in St Ives, for $1.3m ( including demo, pool and it's in a flame zone), premium finishes, I would be more than happy to show you the plans and I would like your honest opinion if it is better than anything the project home guys can do. Other than that, sorry for my rant, it is just something I really feel strongly about. PS. to reiterate, I really like Metricon and all the people there, so I don't want this misunderstood as a bash Metricon post, because it isn't. Just my opinion and experience comparing project homes to custom homes on the North Shore in terms of resale value. This maybe true when comparing a basic Metricon home, but the topic here was signature series. If comparing a signature series with a like-for-like pool and landscaping to a premium custom builder, then I don't believe there is a "massive" price difference. The question on quality is a subjective area and varies build to build. I do agree with a custom builder you probably get better control and oversight on the build, but whether it translates into a higher sell price, there is little evidence to support this. Sydman So if the quality of the Signature series is so much better, why are they using screw piers on your home in lieu of concrete piers? I absolutely guarantee you that Meadowbank don't use screw piers, in fact having seen a number of their builds they go old school and wont even use waffles. You pay extra for that, but these houses last and sell for a premium. Just because Nissan slaps an infinity badge on a car and charges extra doesn't make it a Rolls Royce. It's marketing. Sorry. Architectural Homes & Duplexes - specialising in custom designing homes to your budget Get a Free Onsite Consultation Today or send a PM for information, questions or advice. 3 22655 Hi Mofflepop, I would recommend finding a building designer to prepare plans, they should design to your specified budget. The benefit is you can tender the project out… 9 20432 Hey guys, I have just purchased a block of land in Eastern Suburbs of Melbourne. The block size is 630 Sq Mtrs (land settlement is due in 6 months). This is purely an… 0 24269 |