Hall hart competitive

Hello all
Have any savvy people looked at hall hart for their prices compared to other top tier builders like Clarendon? I am guessing hallhart are lower volume and may not have the supplier negotiated prices but they could also be making less per building

What do you think ?

We are embarking on our own build as well. Really interested if someone can help with the original question.
Looking at Hall and Hart as well (as Clarendon declined to build at our site due to a no stopping sign in peak hours - they could still park between 10am-3pm though..)

Hall and Hart is definitely a notch above Clarendon, both in price and quality

Hi everyone, did anyone end up going through to contract? Any surprises along the way?

Keen to hear what your experience has been with pricing, particularly around site costs. We have been quoted 90K for site costs by HH about a week ago. Our site is pretty standard, quiet street, M slab etc.We do have a gentle slope but under 2m from back to front and less than 1m over building area. The block has 1:100 flood classification on it. The site costs have been quoted as follows:
- Site costs 57K (material handling 20K, import/export soil 7.5K, garage stepdown 6K, internal slab 15K, 1000-1500 fall over building footprint 8.5K) plus
- KDR costs 33K (stormwater connection 22.5K, electrical connection 4K and sewer connection 6.5K)

On top of this, there are also other site-related charges of 8K (for standard marine environment 5K and salinity/acid sulphate 3K)
And another 10K on top of this is for BASIX.

So all up looking at just under 110K site costs + BASIX. Does anyone else have a similar experience? Is this reasonable?

It is the initial estimation only, but it appears so large. Way off relative to any other builder. We asked them about it and the sales rep said that's pretty standard and what he would expect. Keen to hear everyone's thoughts and experience. Thank you!

Having seen ton of Clarendon builds and admittedly only a single Hall & Hart & framing stage, Hall and Hart are on a totally different level.

I am a framing nerd, and theirs was immaculate. I think they must pay their carpenters a fair market rate so there were no shortcuts.

Project home builders normally only machine nail frames to the slab with 90mm nails to save time and money, only install half the dynabolts on steel columns, don't fix studs to steel columns etc. I couldn't fault H & H. They had dynabolts at 600mm centres with washers.

To most people that probably doesn't mean much but in a strong wind I would want to know that my frame is anchored to the slab with Dynabolts.

I hope this helps

Simeon

For a sanity check where does that bring the total rate/sqm too?

I am guessing the 1:100 flood zone is having an impact. they will probably have to raise the FFL above the free board to make sure your feet dont get wet and that can be costly.

All the other costs in the break up seem fair without knowing your specific site constraints.

Thank you sejaeD . We are at $2,200psqm at the moment, for base price + facade + site costs + plan changes without having been through any finishes appointments and upgrades on that front. We

For site costs we were expecting something around 30-50K extra, given it's a KDR site and they have standard site costs included in the base price and these are additional charges. Any implications from the flood prone classification hasn't been priced in at this stage and they noted it can incur additional costs when we have more information (requested detailed council flood study report).
We had another builder (who actually came to our site) quoting estimated additional site charges around 30K mark. We can't get our head around the HH material handling extra charge of 20K as an example with an easy access site etc. Other things we have much less understanding of so very hard to tell. Really appreciate you sharing your experience and thoughts.

you raise a really good point and the rate/sqm is a good sanity check. You are starting to get into the custom home price range with $2200 with all upgrades included.

Anyway, good luck with your decision and have a great sunday

Regards

Simeon

Hi LucB,
We have just passed D/A. We are also in a flood plain which meant that the drop beams were not adequate as council requirement is 1.5 mtrs above existing ground level. This means brick piering & slab on top! Be careful that you get a definite answer on this, possibly speak to,or make an appointment with the relevant planning division @council.
H&H were OK, but went ahead with drop beams only to withdraw the application & redo with piers.