Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Stormwater discharge: easement or drainage system? 10Mar 26, 2021 9:32 am Simeon McGovern Affordable Custom Homes, We design and build to your budget Ashington Homes www.ashingtonhomes.com.au Re: Stormwater discharge: easement or drainage system? 12Mar 26, 2021 2:01 pm Simeon McGovern Affordable Custom Homes, We design and build to your budget Ashington Homes www.ashingtonhomes.com.au Re: Stormwater discharge: easement or drainage system? 14Apr 10, 2021 1:31 pm Simeon McGovern Affordable Custom Homes, We design and build to your budget Ashington Homes www.ashingtonhomes.com.au Re: Stormwater discharge: easement or drainage system? 17Apr 12, 2021 5:28 am Jacthan SejaeD Monica As promised I finally got an answer on your stormwater system from my Hydraulic engineer. I will send you a PM to explain how CDC engineering works. From what you have said in your messages I think your builder isn't going about this in the correct fashion Cheers Simeon Hi Monica and Simeon, I'm also in the GRC and facing the same issue, council is adamant on easement only and of course neighbour is outright refusing. May I know what was the outcome? Do we have any chance of building, seems ridiculous that they're forcing us on to get an easement and there isn't any other solutions. Thanks, Jacthan Jacthan Apologies in advance for the length of this post but it is a very complex issue. Rob wrote a well considered response based on going through council and his actual experience of dealing with GRC for his DA. His key point was to work with your engineer, which I completely agree with. However, from experience some hydraulic engineers are morons and you may need to seek a 2nd opinion from time to time. The starting point for you is to read clause 3.4 of the GRC's stormwater management policy which deals with alternate stormwater systems such as charged systems, absorption pits and easements etc. This will really help to bring you up to speed. They don't prohibit charged systems or absorption pits but you need to meet a bunch of criteria, like being able to demonstrate that you wont add to the flooding in certain catchments with the charged system and that you have the right soil type and suburb for the absorption system. A good engineer might be able to come up with a hybrid model for you, depending of course on your site conditions which we on the forum simply don't know. I have been building and developing a range of properties for over 25 years and I cant think of a time that I had a project refused because I couldn't get a stormwater easement over a neighbours property, or come up with a clever way to drain stormwater There is generally always a solution, just some solutions cost more than others and need some additional creativity. What I can add to this conversation ( in relation to Rob's post) is that with CDC council's engineers don't have to review your final design as they are not the approval authority, and therefore they don't have the discretion to enforce their own ideas that are outside of the policy. I have run countless DA's over the years and whilst I have had some great experiences, I have also had some really bad ones where council engineers try to impose their own design preferences to over ride councils policies. The way CDC works is that the hydraulic engineer will have to generally comply with the council policy but they are free to interpret the policy if they can come up with an engineering solution that meets the objective of the policy but is a better outcome. This will be based a lot of complex mathematics that the engineers will undertake. So in summary, read Clause 3.4 of the GRC Stormwater policy, educate yourself and go and seek a second option from an independent hydraulic engineer, or alternatively get yourself a better builder who can do all of this for you. have a great week Cheers Simeon Simeon McGovern Affordable Custom Homes, We design and build to your budget Ashington Homes www.ashingtonhomes.com.au Re: Stormwater discharge: easement or drainage system? 18Apr 13, 2021 12:37 am Simeon has given you some great advice there. Just also be aware of Section 2.3, I noticed that council have slipped in a new requirement for CDC projects to lodge plans and obtain council approval for half a dozen stormwater connection scenarios, one of which may include you (it certainly would have included us, under bullet point #1). Personally I think it's an over reach by council... my understanding of CDC is that it was implemented by the state government to give an alternative to the cumbersome, expensive and lengthy council DA process. Section 2.3 appears to be GRC reinserting themselves into the approval process for certain CDC projects. Re: Stormwater discharge: easement or drainage system? 19Apr 13, 2021 9:06 am robw17 Simeon has given you some great advice there. Just also be aware of Section 2.3, I noticed that council have slipped in a new requirement for CDC projects to lodge plans and obtain council approval for half a dozen stormwater connection scenarios, one of which may include you (it certainly would have included us, under bullet point #1). Personally I think it's an over reach by council... my understanding of CDC is that it was implemented by the state government to give an alternative to the cumbersome, expensive and lengthy council DA process. Section 2.3 appears to be GRC reinserting themselves into the approval process for certain CDC projects. Rob You get today's prize for the deep dive you did! that clause 2.3 is very interesting. I have never seen that imposed before, I just went and re read the act and I am wondering if they have found a loophole in clause 1.2 ( of the SEPP) as stormwater is discharging onto their asset. I wonder how this would go if tested in court as it seems contradictory to the purpose of the SEPP. Anyway, next step is to grab the minutes from the meeting last year and see how they justified it and then I am going to ask my planning lawyer for an opinion and report back. Not being a lawyer I am intrigued Well done Rob Simeon Simeon McGovern Affordable Custom Homes, We design and build to your budget Ashington Homes www.ashingtonhomes.com.au Re: Stormwater discharge: easement or drainage system? 20Apr 22, 2021 1:11 pm Hi all, Just thought I’d jump on here as we are also doing KDR in GRC, have a low level property and are going through CDC. GRC do have final say on the stormwater design unfortunately. Which sucks because the whole point of CDC is efficiency but it’s not when you still need council engineer approval. (Side note: it’s taken us 6 months to do cdc waiting for stormwater approval. Anyone else experiencing ridiculous delays??) We don’t have to get an easement but we did need a refusal letter signed by our rear neighbours. We’re proposing a charged system and it meets council’s requirement of draining by gravity from boundary to kerb. Not an engineer so apologies if I’m butchering the explanation haha. We’ve been told there were some amendments required from council this week but sounds like not major enough to tell us what (so I’m assuming charged line is a go). Hoping to FINALLY get approval next week. Just our personal experience, but hope you can find an alternative solution other than easement. Building Standards; Getting It Right! Hi All, We have a fall from road to garage front. But we cannot put a drain/grate because no discharge point put by the builder. Now they complain not enough space for… 0 9236 2 2515 You should be able to encase the sewer but you will need it designed and approved and access to lot 580 to do the work 2 17113 |