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Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Masterton Homes - The next thread 4.0 11561Jul 04, 2016 12:04 am MGardz Speaking of tanks ours developed this leak so we want to postpone PCI again Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ https://mandgbuildatmulgoarise.wordpress.com/ you've got to be joking!!! If I were you I'd be selling the house Masterton Villina Elite 2016 23/3 Slab 13/4 Frame & Windows 24/5 Bricks 19/8 Roof 29/9 Gyprock 3/11 Paint Re: Masterton Homes - The next thread 4.0 11562Jul 04, 2016 7:38 am We've had the worst trades build this house...did you see what else was wrong on my blog post lol...SS said not to worry as they will fix it ASAP as there's a pump yet to be installed and they are coming out soon. Hubby has to follow up. We think it's from the tank flexing and moving as its full now so the solder join broke SVE I think selling two houses at the same time is too stressful lol we just put our current one on the market hopefully it sells quickly. Trying to keep it tidy and nice is a bit hard with a newborn https://mandgbuildatmulgoarise.wordpress.com/ Re: Masterton Homes - The next thread 4.0 11563Jul 04, 2016 9:09 am MGards, keep hanging in there, you're almost done! SVE what's your contract end date? Ours is Feb 17. Our steel beams were delivered on the weekend , to support the first floor brickwork over the lounge and alfresco. Here's hoping they start on the first floor frame this week. Villina Lane 11/14 $3900 08/15 Contract 11/15 DA Approval 02/16 Demolition 03/16 Peg out 06/16 Slab 06/16 Ground floor frame 07/16 1st floor frame & windows 09-12/16 Bricks blog Re: Masterton Homes - The next thread 4.0 11564Jul 04, 2016 11:10 am The back of the house sits up higher than I was expecting and the DEB is impressive. I think I under-estimated the slope on our block! Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Villina Lane 11/14 $3900 08/15 Contract 11/15 DA Approval 02/16 Demolition 03/16 Peg out 06/16 Slab 06/16 Ground floor frame 07/16 1st floor frame & windows 09-12/16 Bricks blog Re: Masterton Homes - The next thread 4.0 11565Jul 04, 2016 11:43 am I know nearly there and for the most part the house is looking good. That I give M they get there in the end, I just wished the trades could get it right the first time... Gibson that's an impressive DEB! I'm glad you're progressing well though https://mandgbuildatmulgoarise.wordpress.com/ Re: Masterton Homes - The next thread 4.0 11566Jul 04, 2016 1:28 pm MGardz - fingers crossed for a quick sale. We sold ours last year the first day it went on the market we were expecting it to take months. Gibson - I think most of us here have under estimated the slopes on the blocks. We weren't expecting to have to do any retaining. Ours is up on Nov 22nd, wow 3 months before yours, have you added the 3 weeks Xmas shut down ? Masterton Villina Elite 2016 23/3 Slab 13/4 Frame & Windows 24/5 Bricks 19/8 Roof 29/9 Gyprock 3/11 Paint Re: Masterton Homes - The next thread 4.0 11567Jul 04, 2016 3:09 pm MGardz We've had the worst trades build this house...did you see what else was wrong on my blog post lol...SS said not to worry as they will fix it ASAP as there's a pump yet to be installed and they are coming out soon. Hubby has to follow up. We think it's from the tank flexing and moving as its full now so the solder join broke SVE I think selling two houses at the same time is too stressful lol we just put our current one on the market hopefully it sells quickly. Trying to keep it tidy and nice is a bit hard with a newborn https://mandgbuildatmulgoarise.wordpress.com/ I've come to say "hi" and catch up on nearly 200 posts and I've only read the last page... CONGRATS on your baby!! I'll eventually read the other 199 posts but what, when (don't worry about the why ). Please share (again). Re: Masterton Homes - The next thread 4.0 11568Jul 04, 2016 6:39 pm S-VE Gibson - I think most of us here have under estimated the slopes on the blocks. We weren't expecting to have to do any retaining. Ours is up on Nov 22nd, wow 3 months before yours, have you added the 3 weeks Xmas shut down ? Our date is last week in October, so we will be very close to you. Our scaffolding is due down this week, internal sheeting in three weeks. Plumbing and electrical complete inside. How are you going this week? https://synergy32.wordpress.com Synergy 32 Contemporary Facade https://synergy32.wordpress.com/ 05/15 Deposit 09/15 Contracts 11/15 Demolition 02/16 Slab 03/16 Frame 05/16 Bricks Re: Masterton Homes - The next thread 4.0 11569Jul 04, 2016 8:48 pm redwynne MGardz We've had the worst trades build this house...did you see what else was wrong on my blog post lol...SS said not to worry as they will fix it ASAP as there's a pump yet to be installed and they are coming out soon. Hubby has to follow up. We think it's from the tank flexing and moving as its full now so the solder join broke SVE I think selling two houses at the same time is too stressful lol we just put our current one on the market hopefully it sells quickly. Trying to keep it tidy and nice is a bit hard with a newborn https://mandgbuildatmulgoarise.wordpress.com/ I've come to say "hi" and catch up on nearly 200 posts and I've only read the last page... CONGRATS on your baby!! I'll eventually read the other 199 posts but what, when (don't worry about the why ). Please share (again). Thanks Redwynne I hope that you've been enjoying that lovely home of yours. Hope it's all going well https://mandgbuildatmulgoarise.wordpress.com/ Re: Masterton Homes - The next thread 4.0 11570Jul 04, 2016 11:11 pm mrn84 Our system is setup using a 'firstflush' system. All it means is all downpipes go into the ground and then up into the water tank. During PCI we pointed out that one of the downpipes near the water tanks is not connected at ground level and the water tanks were completely empty even though there had been heavy rain lately. We suspect a broken pipe in the ground. Instead of plumbing it into ground level to go through the firstflush system and repairing the broken pipe, they piped the downpipe to feed directly into the water tanks. Just wondering if others have this 'firstflush' system setup and if they have a downpipe going directly into the top of their watertank? Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Hi mrn84. I was alerted to your post by another member, sorry for the late reply. Unfortunately, your rainwater harvesting system is sub standard. Even more unfortunate, it is still compliant and so you can't do anything about it unless you do it yourself. For what it's worth, at least 95% of the water tank installations I see are sub standard and/or not compliant. I will address the issues as I see them. FIRST FLUSH The 90mm heavy duty uPVC stormwater pipe shown in the diagram has a rating of SN4 as opposed to the standard SN2 rated 90mm uPVC stormwater pipe and it is good to see that they specified the stronger pipe for the charged system. The respective wall thicknesses are 2.5mm and 1.9mm and as both pipes have a 90mm outside diameter, the stronger pipe's internal diameter is 85mm. This gives a volume of 5.67 litres per metre. The photo on your blog shows that the first flush diverter is barely 0.5 metres long, giving a probable capacity of less than 3 litres. I don't know what roof space (plan area not factored for slope) your downpipes harvest but let's say the downpipe fitted with the first flush diverter harvested 40 square metres, the amount of rain needed to flow to the downpipe to fill the first flush diverter would be less than 0.1mm. 1 mm of water on 1 sq m = 1 litre. But wait! Unless you empty the wet system after each rain event, the first flush will still be in the downpipe while the puny little first flush diverter fills with the settled water left in the vertical riser! The 'first flush' diverter does nothing, a waste of time and money to fit it but imagine how much more ridiculous it would be if both downpipes were diverted to the first flush diverter. I have taken the liberty of posting your blog photo showing the first flush. If you want me to remove it, send me a PM and I will edit the post. WET SYSTEM The wet system will not have enough velocity even during a 1:20 Average Recurrence Interval (ARI) to be flushed and the inspection opening (IO) will not properly flush the underground pipe. In time, this pipe will build up a considerable amount of sludge. To give you an idea about flushing velocities, a pipe with a 1:100 slope requires a minimum flushing velocity of 0.8 metres per second. The wet system pipe rising to the top of the tank is vertical. EDIT: An area's 1:20 ARI is used to determine eaves gutter and downpipe sizes for roof drainage compliance. 100mm DIAMETER "OUTLET PIPE" Water tank overflow pipes are flow restricted by the mosquito proof metal mesh which typically has an open area % of little more than 50%. If a water tank fills during a 1:20 ARI (the parameter used to determine eaves gutter and downpipe size compliance), the tank will overtop. Flow through a horizontal water tank outlet can be calculated by using Torricelli's theorem but an allowance also has to be made for the open area % of the mesh. This is somewhat complicated when the mesh threads are curved and not flat as the curve provided a small bell mouth effect but let's say here that the tank's mesh is 950 micron and has a typical 53% open area weave and we allow a generous 65% open area as an allowance for the slight bell mouth effect. You are on the NSW central coast but i don't know where nor do I know your roof area, but using a 40 sq m roof area and a 1:20 ARI of 180mm per hour (calculated as a 5 minute rain intensity), a downpipe in this example would be draining 40 sq m x 3mm per minute = 120 lpm during a 1:20 ARI. Note that the roof slope is also factored for roof drainage compliance to allow for wind driven rain but I have kept this example simple. AS per AS 3500.1 figure 8.2, an unmeshed 100mm horizontal tank overflow with a 100mm head above the pipe's invert will flow at 4.67 litres per second (280 litres per minute). The invert is the bottom of the overflow pipe. If we somewhat generously guesstimate the flow through the mesh, we come up with a maximum overflow capacity of 280 x 0.65 = 182 litres per minute. This would handle a single inflow pipe discharge of 120 litres per minute quite easily but you originally had 2 pipes discharging into the one tank! Anyway and as I said, I don't know your exact location or the roof space harvested and so this is just an indication of what should be calculated and the example is for your interest. SUBMERSIBLE WATER PUMP Installers have the habit of plonking submersible pumps directly on a tank's floor rather than having them raised above the sediment layer. Because most submersible pumps draw water from near the bottom of the pump, this will vacuum the bottom of the tank and it is the main cause of complaints about dirty water clogging washing machine filters and dirty cisterns. It can also shorten the pump's life and void the warranty's terms and conditions. Some submersible pumps however are made with a designed bottom 'stand'. You should check to see whether the pump is required to be fitted above the sediment layer and if it has been. Cisterns fill at a maximum flow rate of 6 litres per minute and washing machines also fill slowly yet the majority of installations have oversized pumps. Strangling a pump is not good plus larger pumps are dearer and use more energy. The plumbing regulations allow the use of automatic and manual mains water switching devices yet I very rarely see the best and most often cheaper options installed. I would be interested to know what they have given you. Many councils north of Sydney require a leaf diverter to be fitted to a wet system downpipe to prevent mosquitoes breeding. I believe that all wet systems should be mosquito and debris proofed regardless of whether the council requires it but it is something else worth checking for your area. It is always best to fit a flap valve (see photo) to the top of the vertical riser to prevent mosquitoes breeding in the standing water at the top of the wet system's vertical riser. Rainwater is naturally acidic, the modern copper pipes are not as thick as the old ones and there is more carbon in the atmosphere now and this is increasing at an accelerated rate. While it is compliant to use copper pipe with rainwater, it is not a good idea. If you want to neutralise the acidity, just put some limestone in a small nylon bag into the tank and tie a small buoy to the bag for easy retrieval. With the downpipe diverted to the top of the tank, cut out some shade cloth and place it over the mesh to make cleaning easier. There are also commercial units available. https://www.bunnings.com.au/rain-harves ... n_p4813649 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Masterton Homes - The next thread 4.0 11571Jul 04, 2016 11:19 pm I still as yet to read the 199 other posts. Anyone have a summary of what I've missed the past few weeks? Did you have a boy or girl MGardz? When was the big day? I can't believe you haven't had PCI yet!! I must admit we are loving our new house considering the long build time and hassles we had. We have our warranty inspection due in a couple of days time so we'll see what excuses, answers, etc they'll have but we're hoping they'll come to the party. Nothing major is on the list. During our spare time we've been busy clearing out the crap from the alfresco and our old garage which we've used to store our old furniture etc. Loving the photos you've posted on your blog. What colour is your vanity benchtop? How's everyone else going and their builds?? Re: Masterton Homes - The next thread 4.0 11572Jul 05, 2016 1:21 am Shire_Synergy S-VE Gibson - I think most of us here have under estimated the slopes on the blocks. We weren't expecting to have to do any retaining. Ours is up on Nov 22nd, wow 3 months before yours, have you added the 3 weeks Xmas shut down ? Our date is last week in October, so we will be very close to you. Our scaffolding is due down this week, internal sheeting in three weeks. Plumbing and electrical complete inside. How are you going this week? https://synergy32.wordpress.com No idea what has gone on the last 2 weeks. We are overseas and don't get home until the weekend. I'm looking forward to seeing what has been done. Most of our plumbing has been done. SS said 3 weeks ago that gyprock was 3-4 weeks away so we would be getting close. I'll have an update on the weekend Masterton Villina Elite 2016 23/3 Slab 13/4 Frame & Windows 24/5 Bricks 19/8 Roof 29/9 Gyprock 3/11 Paint Re: Masterton Homes - The next thread 4.0 11573Jul 05, 2016 8:00 am redwynne I still as yet to read the 199 other posts. Anyone have a summary of what I've missed the past few weeks? Did you have a boy or girl MGardz? When was the big day? I can't believe you haven't had PCI yet!! I must admit we are loving our new house considering the long build time and hassles we had. We have our warranty inspection due in a couple of days time so we'll see what excuses, answers, etc they'll have but we're hoping they'll come to the party. Nothing major is on the list. During our spare time we've been busy clearing out the crap from the alfresco and our old garage which we've used to store our old furniture etc. Loving the photos you've posted on your blog. What colour is your vanity benchtop? How's everyone else going and their builds?? We had a little girl on 15 June she is a nice distraction from the build. She came early because my BP has been skyrocketing with the ongoing issues and leaks. She was a tiny 2.56kg and 42cm My vanities and kitchen are cloudy bay. I do love how it's coming together and I'm looking forward to being able to not worry anymore...but once the tank is fixed there's not much else major (just poor workmanship things that need to be fixed) so we should be getting keys soon...well fingers crossed... https://mandgbuildatmulgoarise.wordpress.com/ Re: Masterton Homes - The next thread 4.0 11574Jul 05, 2016 8:01 am Hi Redwynne. Glad to see you are enjoying your new home! SVE - allowing for the Christmas shutdown our contract is until mid Feb. although given its forecast to rain all week we probably need to add another week to that now. Our neighbours stopped the plumber last week, he was digging the stormwater pipes too close to the fence and they were worried the unsupported earth would collapse. Plumber moved one of the down pipe connections so it will go straight in to the tank rather than underground. So much $$ to capture rain from half the roof & it's used to flush the loo! My 5000 litre tank holds $11 of water at Sydney water prices. So even if I fill & empty the tank 10 times a year the payback period is 200 years! Villina Lane 11/14 $3900 08/15 Contract 11/15 DA Approval 02/16 Demolition 03/16 Peg out 06/16 Slab 06/16 Ground floor frame 07/16 1st floor frame & windows 09-12/16 Bricks blog Re: Masterton Homes - The next thread 4.0 11575Jul 05, 2016 12:11 pm Most tanks are poorly utilised. Supplying cisterns was efficient when cisterns were 12 litres but not so with the new water efficient cisterns. Supplying a HWS is the most efficient use now but the system needs to be correctly set up. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Masterton Homes - The next thread 4.0 11576Jul 05, 2016 12:59 pm When we were building, I wasn't a fan of "having" to have a water tank..... and with our council, they require a minimum of 10,000 litres. We ended up with one about 11,500 litre size. Gibson, as much as you appear to not be a fan either, it has definitely reduced our water bills. Our toilets and washing machine as well as garden taps are all attached to the tank, so our day-to-day usage is probably half of what it used to be. It doesn't take a huge amount of rain (about 30-40mm) to fill the tank, and light showers top it up as well. Generally, by the time the tank is getting low, it rains again and refills it. And I can water the garden whenever I want, even if water restrictions come back in. Plus, if enough people have water tanks, then the dams won't be impacted as much. As much as I understand your thoughts about having a tank, they really are a good thing...... and I expect you will drain/refill many more than 10 times a year! Masterton Overture 17/12/14 - Handover ...... we got the keys !! blog - http://www.mcnamaraadventure.blogspot.com Re: Masterton Homes - The next thread 4.0 11577Jul 05, 2016 4:22 pm Hi there! I've just discovered this forum and wish I'd discovered it last year when hubby and I decided to KDR with Masterton. To make a long story short - we are having an endless amount of issues with M. We are in the construction stage, our slab was poured in March and our frame is still yet to be completed as a result of a massive list of stuff ups from just about every department you can think of. Apparently the frame will finally be completed next week... Ve been told that about 3 times since April and here we are with half a frame up and no completion in sight. What I'm wondering is has anybody used an independent builder who can inspect M's works and write a full report for us? Was it useful? Is there anybody that you can recommend? Re: Masterton Homes - The next thread 4.0 11578Jul 05, 2016 4:36 pm so sorry to hear of your hassles, smt1303. Have you been told what is supposedly causing the delays? Quite a few people on here have used private inspectors (although we didn't), so I expect you'll get a few responses. What area are you building in? Masterton Overture 17/12/14 - Handover ...... we got the keys !! blog - http://www.mcnamaraadventure.blogspot.com Masterton Homes - The next thread 4.0 11579Jul 05, 2016 6:16 pm Has anyone had an issue with been told they have delay days but no letters to support them? I'm hoping it doesn't matter anyway, but interested to see if this is common. We have been having quite a good build and have been very pleased with our trades so far, fingers crossed my happiness continues!!!! Re: Masterton Homes - The next thread 4.0 11580Jul 05, 2016 6:57 pm gillym how do you find your electricity bills as each time the tank water is used the pump works as well. Michelle1980 we received a letter when there were delays KDR. Overture Premier 09/14 $3900 10/14 Plans 11/14 Contracts 03/15 Demo 04/15 Validation 05/15 Slab 06/15 Frame 06/15 Bricks 09/15 lock up 16/12/15 Keys 4 17263 i imagine you also have another contract with an architect? and yeah, whatever other's said about special conditions and appendices 16 16728 Hi all I am looking to run a water line under my concrete footpath which is directly next to my home, was seeing if this is possible without cutting the entire section… 0 20773 |