Browse Forums Building A New House Re: Provincial Homes 671Apr 20, 2022 5:35 am kiwiinoz FireAnt We have previously build with provincal and have friends who are currently building. They told me its has been slow due to covid and the weather. Our experience is similiar to the people who have posted both positive and negatives. Highly recommend you read all 34 pages in this thread. Like with all project home builders, the provisional allowaces is only a guide and may/maybe be enough depending on your council and your personal preferences. Be prepared for variations for the following items 1) Stormwater: This is maybe a blank cheque that no one can determine the final price until the hydraulic designs are completed. Extra costs could come from requirements such as extra rainwater tanks or a larger one, burying the rainwater tank or OSD. You will need to do research what your local council requirements and personal preferences. Costs could be anywhere $1-$30k. 2) Basix: This is one of those annoying requirements that is really dependent on the person doing the calculations correctly, its an online calculator that you can use yourself and be familiar with it, i encourage everyone to learn and play with it. 99.99% of the time variations are unavoidable so be prepared to for upgrades such wall insulation, roof insulation and windows to low e or double glazed. Be prepared to spend $4k-$10K or more. 3) Studio appointment: Be prepared to spend extra for stone, stairs and other items (add $5-$20K). 4) Electrical is through clipsal and depending on your needs it could be an extra $5-$15k. 5) Bricks and external colouring: This is done through Austral and depending on the brick, tiles or paint colours it could be anywhere from $200 - $15k. Upgrading bricks from the standard range to the metallix range is about $10K. Just what ever number you see at the first tender signiture just mentally prepare yourself and add another 10-20% buffer ontop of the figure. Fireant's advice applies regardless of which builder you go with. A couple of other things to be aware of are if you are bush fire prone or flood prone as this will add additional costs and building requirements to your build which are generally outside the scope of a builder to know at the early stages. Our build is neither so no additional costs from those applied, although we did choose to do gutter guards (which provide ember protection and reduce leaf fuel buildup) as we live in a leafy suburb. Storm water: Provincial have their own storm water engineers who did all of this assessment and design work. I do agree you should do your homework yourself as well but we found what Provincial came up with to be required, reasonable, and wasn't too much additional (we were on the high side of the street and no easement access required, etc so it was basically the tank under the driveway requirements where the cost came in). The sales team had also pre-warned us this was one of the biggest variables before and after the first tender signing. Basix is an additional cost found with every builder. There are standard requirements such as rainwater tanks, etc. Studio: If you are unprepared the studio appointment could set you back +++$$$, however Provincial did provide us a huge suite of brochures with a lot of the products early on so we came up with an included and upgraded option for each thing and got the studio consultant to price out the 'upgraded' versions for us with our preferred 'included' option as the fallback. We chose to upgrade some things and not others during the studio consultation based on seeing the physical products and/or cost. Eg we upgraded the internal doors and some of the tap fittings, and we preferred a more expensive caesarstone throughout the house. Same applies to the tiles. Go to the tile showroom and have a look at the builders range for the house you are building before your tile appointment. This will give you the baseline from which to consider if you want to upgrade. We went as soon as we had signed the tender to browse ourselves and set our expectations of what was available in the range. The tile consultation is the last consultation as styles, etc can run out of stock and it is separate from your studio consultation. Electrical: look on the Clipsal website. Figure out what you need now vs what may be more effective to do later on after the build. Our Clipsal consultant was really good at telling us what could easily be added or changed after vs what was necessary at the build stage. Think about your lighting needs and try and negotiate some additional lights into your build contract if you have the opportunity. Remember all show homes have way more lights than a regular house would ever want or need so walk through the home and figure out where you would strategically place lights, whether you'd go for downlights or not, and count how many you realistically think you need and potential costs involved. Think about putting in basic lighting in some places and replacing with feature lights after the build; we've been told it will work out cheaper if we buy our own feature lights and get an electrician in to install them in one hit afterwards. Bricks: Provincial gave us the option of 2 brick companies (one was Austral) and there was a wide selection in a number of shades. We ended up finding something we loved out of the builders range and didn't pay anything additional for the bricks. We also chose to remove the render from the final façade as I hate render which also brought the cost down slightly. When you do bricks you'll also be choosing roofing, gutters, window frames, etc. Again, you can go and look at the selections yourself before your consultation so you know what to expect and can pre-decide on whether you want to look at the additional cost for the fancier bricks. For us, when we put our favourite from the builders range up against our favourite from the Metallix range we actually preferred the one from the builders range - go figure! I agree that you should expect the price after your first tender to go up a bit once the proper site inspections, etc are done as there are site specific numbers they don't know until just before you sign the final contract when they have all their plans finalised and detailed site surveys for the new design. I'll also add we met someone recently who built with Provincial 20 years ago and are still in the home they built. I asked them if they had any regrets and their response was "not at all, best decision they ever made and that the house is still as good as new 20 years on unlike others from other builders on their street of the same vintage". Amazingly they even had one of the same sales guys as we did! This was reassuring to us as when you do read back through threads for every builder you see a lot of complaints and negatives. I think that's because people always want to speak up when things go wrong but rarely speak up when things go right. I can assure you whichever way things go with our build we'll comment so others know what our experience is like. We also watched a Provincial build (Woollahra 44) go up in the next suburb over from us when we were in the deciding/early tender process and we were impressed with what we saw and the quality of the build. Good luck with your build! Hi kiwiinoz how did you go with choosing the bricks, we took a trip to Austral and PHG and most of the selection that provincial provide us in the platinum range are discontinued. We liked a brick from the bowral range not much else to choose from when most of the good selections are discontinued and not updated in the provincial section guide. Then I get a call from provincial letting me know about the selection stage and to be ready to choose my external colours, i asked for a quote on the bowral brick and they said they cant quote me as i dont have my final plans...hmmmm.im a bit worried that we wont make the Sept deadline to be ready to build, we have done our very best to stay ready and prepared with choices and floor plans etc. Im not prepared for a price increase, any guidance or advice here? Re: Provincial Homes 672Apr 20, 2022 9:01 pm Mivars kiwiinoz FireAnt We have previously build with provincal and have friends who are currently building. They told me its has been slow due to covid and the weather. Our experience is similiar to the people who have posted both positive and negatives. Highly recommend you read all 34 pages in this thread. Like with all project home builders, the provisional allowaces is only a guide and may/maybe be enough depending on your council and your personal preferences. Be prepared for variations for the following items 1) Stormwater: This is maybe a blank cheque that no one can determine the final price until the hydraulic designs are completed. Extra costs could come from requirements such as extra rainwater tanks or a larger one, burying the rainwater tank or OSD. You will need to do research what your local council requirements and personal preferences. Costs could be anywhere $1-$30k. 2) Basix: This is one of those annoying requirements that is really dependent on the person doing the calculations correctly, its an online calculator that you can use yourself and be familiar with it, i encourage everyone to learn and play with it. 99.99% of the time variations are unavoidable so be prepared to for upgrades such wall insulation, roof insulation and windows to low e or double glazed. Be prepared to spend $4k-$10K or more. 3) Studio appointment: Be prepared to spend extra for stone, stairs and other items (add $5-$20K). 4) Electrical is through clipsal and depending on your needs it could be an extra $5-$15k. 5) Bricks and external colouring: This is done through Austral and depending on the brick, tiles or paint colours it could be anywhere from $200 - $15k. Upgrading bricks from the standard range to the metallix range is about $10K. Just what ever number you see at the first tender signiture just mentally prepare yourself and add another 10-20% buffer ontop of the figure. Fireant's advice applies regardless of which builder you go with. A couple of other things to be aware of are if you are bush fire prone or flood prone as this will add additional costs and building requirements to your build which are generally outside the scope of a builder to know at the early stages. Our build is neither so no additional costs from those applied, although we did choose to do gutter guards (which provide ember protection and reduce leaf fuel buildup) as we live in a leafy suburb. Storm water: Provincial have their own storm water engineers who did all of this assessment and design work. I do agree you should do your homework yourself as well but we found what Provincial came up with to be required, reasonable, and wasn't too much additional (we were on the high side of the street and no easement access required, etc so it was basically the tank under the driveway requirements where the cost came in). The sales team had also pre-warned us this was one of the biggest variables before and after the first tender signing. Basix is an additional cost found with every builder. There are standard requirements such as rainwater tanks, etc. Studio: If you are unprepared the studio appointment could set you back +++$$$, however Provincial did provide us a huge suite of brochures with a lot of the products early on so we came up with an included and upgraded option for each thing and got the studio consultant to price out the 'upgraded' versions for us with our preferred 'included' option as the fallback. We chose to upgrade some things and not others during the studio consultation based on seeing the physical products and/or cost. Eg we upgraded the internal doors and some of the tap fittings, and we preferred a more expensive caesarstone throughout the house. Same applies to the tiles. Go to the tile showroom and have a look at the builders range for the house you are building before your tile appointment. This will give you the baseline from which to consider if you want to upgrade. We went as soon as we had signed the tender to browse ourselves and set our expectations of what was available in the range. The tile consultation is the last consultation as styles, etc can run out of stock and it is separate from your studio consultation. Electrical: look on the Clipsal website. Figure out what you need now vs what may be more effective to do later on after the build. Our Clipsal consultant was really good at telling us what could easily be added or changed after vs what was necessary at the build stage. Think about your lighting needs and try and negotiate some additional lights into your build contract if you have the opportunity. Remember all show homes have way more lights than a regular house would ever want or need so walk through the home and figure out where you would strategically place lights, whether you'd go for downlights or not, and count how many you realistically think you need and potential costs involved. Think about putting in basic lighting in some places and replacing with feature lights after the build; we've been told it will work out cheaper if we buy our own feature lights and get an electrician in to install them in one hit afterwards. Bricks: Provincial gave us the option of 2 brick companies (one was Austral) and there was a wide selection in a number of shades. We ended up finding something we loved out of the builders range and didn't pay anything additional for the bricks. We also chose to remove the render from the final façade as I hate render which also brought the cost down slightly. When you do bricks you'll also be choosing roofing, gutters, window frames, etc. Again, you can go and look at the selections yourself before your consultation so you know what to expect and can pre-decide on whether you want to look at the additional cost for the fancier bricks. For us, when we put our favourite from the builders range up against our favourite from the Metallix range we actually preferred the one from the builders range - go figure! I agree that you should expect the price after your first tender to go up a bit once the proper site inspections, etc are done as there are site specific numbers they don't know until just before you sign the final contract when they have all their plans finalised and detailed site surveys for the new design. I'll also add we met someone recently who built with Provincial 20 years ago and are still in the home they built. I asked them if they had any regrets and their response was "not at all, best decision they ever made and that the house is still as good as new 20 years on unlike others from other builders on their street of the same vintage". Amazingly they even had one of the same sales guys as we did! This was reassuring to us as when you do read back through threads for every builder you see a lot of complaints and negatives. I think that's because people always want to speak up when things go wrong but rarely speak up when things go right. I can assure you whichever way things go with our build we'll comment so others know what our experience is like. We also watched a Provincial build (Woollahra 44) go up in the next suburb over from us when we were in the deciding/early tender process and we were impressed with what we saw and the quality of the build. Good luck with your build! Hi kiwiinoz how did you go with choosing the bricks, we took a trip to Austral and PHG and most of the selection that provincial provide us in the platinum range are discontinued. We liked a brick from the bowral range not much else to choose from when most of the good selections are discontinued and not updated in the provincial section guide. Then I get a call from provincial letting me know about the selection stage and to be ready to choose my external colours, i asked for a quote on the bowral brick and they said they cant quote me as i dont have my final plans...hmmmm.im a bit worried that we wont make the Sept deadline to be ready to build, we have done our very best to stay ready and prepared with choices and floor plans etc. Im not prepared for a price increase, any guidance or advice here? Hi My advice is walk away from Provincial Homes before all the price increases start. Best decision we made was walking away from Provincial Homes everything is an upgrade, Tender full of provisional allowances, note only & their office staff delayed everything and don't respond. After researching, build quality is questionable as well. Re: Provincial Homes 673Jun 04, 2022 10:14 pm Mivars Hi kiwiinoz how did you go with choosing the bricks, we took a trip to Austral and PHG and most of the selection that provincial provide us in the platinum range are discontinued. We liked a brick from the bowral range not much else to choose from when most of the good selections are discontinued and not updated in the provincial section guide. Then I get a call from provincial letting me know about the selection stage and to be ready to choose my external colours, i asked for a quote on the bowral brick and they said they cant quote me as i dont have my final plans...hmmmm.im a bit worried that we wont make the Sept deadline to be ready to build, we have done our very best to stay ready and prepared with choices and floor plans etc. Im not prepared for a price increase, any guidance or advice here? Did you sort out your bricks? When we went to Austral to look before our appointment the front desk there looked up the options available for Provincial for us as some of the roof tile colours had changed names and they mapped out which areas of their display complex were included in our builder range. The rains have held up our build but the bricks are FINALLY done and the roof is on so I am hoping it will be less disrupted from here on. Even without the bricks cleaned yet it is looking amazing and I can't wait to be in the home when it is complete and back in our street. Re: Provincial Homes 675Nov 23, 2022 8:38 pm We are (almost) at the end of our build with them. The house itself is amazing so far. Even a retired builder on our street had commented on the quality of the tradies and the build as he has been keeping an eagle eye on it (as he does everything on our street). The build has been a lot slower than we expected although as I've mentioned in posts previously a lot of the delays have not been the fault of Provincial themselves (ie COVID, excessive rain, supply shortages) and all builders seem to have had the same issues. We've not had much in the way of variations once we had locked everything in and we found the choices available to us in fixtures, tiles etc pretty good within the package we chose. Our site supervisors have been accommodating and patient, taking us through our site and answering all our questions when needed. I have my fingers tightly crossed we are only a week or 2 away from getting our house as there are only a few things left to do (that we can see). So other than the frustratingly slow build time we think we are going to get a pretty amazing home. I'll post photos once we have the keys if anyone is interested. Re: Provincial Homes 676Nov 23, 2022 9:43 pm kiwiinoz We are (almost) at the end of our build with them. The house itself is amazing so far. Even a retired builder on our street had commented on the quality of the tradies and the build as he has been keeping an eagle eye on it (as he does everything on our street). The build has been a lot slower than we expected although as I've mentioned in posts previously a lot of the delays have not been the fault of Provincial themselves (ie COVID, excessive rain, supply shortages) and all builders seem to have had the same issues. We've not had much in the way of variations once we had locked everything in and we found the choices available to us in fixtures, tiles etc pretty good within the package we chose. Our site supervisors have been accommodating and patient, taking us through our site and answering all our questions when needed. I have my fingers tightly crossed we are only a week or 2 away from getting our house as there are only a few things left to do (that we can see). So other than the frustratingly slow build time we think we are going to get a pretty amazing home. I'll post photos once we have the keys if anyone is interested. Really appreciate it. I dm'd you personally Re: Provincial Homes 677Nov 24, 2022 11:45 am Hi All, We are building with Provincial Homes and just signed a contract recently still. But now wanted to have some changes on the plan before DA lodgement. Provincial has advised of $500 amendment fee and additional cost of having basix, stormwater reports to be redone. Have anyone had this experience with this before? As it seems those reports they are getting will be delay our DA lodgement. Otherwise we are looking at to request the change during the building commencement stage... Re: Provincial Homes 678Nov 24, 2022 12:32 pm Yes that seems reasonable. When you change something it means they need to amend their reports especially if the changes external. I recommend whenever you have changes as the build progresses really contemplate if it’s worth having because every change you make is at least $500 which is the amendment fee. I’ve had a lot of amendment fees as the build has gone on due to me wanting different stuff internally. If you don’t mind me asking, what is the change that you wanted to put through? Wottsup Hi All, We are building with Provincial Homes and just signed a contract recently still. But now wanted to have some changes on the plan before DA lodgement. Provincial has advised of $500 amendment fee and additional cost of having basix, stormwater reports to be redone. Have anyone had this experience with this before? As it seems those reports they are getting will be delay our DA lodgement. Otherwise we are looking at to request the change during the building commencement stage... Re: Provincial Homes 679Nov 25, 2022 8:43 pm Wottsup Hi All, We are building with Provincial Homes and just signed a contract recently still. But now wanted to have some changes on the plan before DA lodgement. Provincial has advised of $500 amendment fee and additional cost of having basix, stormwater reports to be redone. Have anyone had this experience with this before? As it seems those reports they are getting will be delay our DA lodgement. Otherwise we are looking at to request the change during the building commencement stage... Yes. We were clearly told any changes to the plan after signed plan and contract would incur additional charges. Anything done before the contract is signed had no charge as long as it was not an external or weight bearing wall change. This seems to be standard for builders. In fact, one of the other builders we were considering charged for any alterations to their standard plan regardless so we found Provincial to be reasonable. As we did all our modifications prior to signing the contract we didn't have an additional charge. Re: Provincial Homes 680May 19, 2023 5:41 pm kiwiinoz Wottsup Hi All, We are building with Provincial Homes and just signed a contract recently still. But now wanted to have some changes on the plan before DA lodgement. Provincial has advised of $500 amendment fee and additional cost of having basix, stormwater reports to be redone. Have anyone had this experience with this before? As it seems those reports they are getting will be delay our DA lodgement. Otherwise we are looking at to request the change during the building commencement stage... Yes. We were clearly told any changes to the plan after signed plan and contract would incur additional charges. Anything done before the contract is signed had no charge as long as it was not an external or weight bearing wall change. This seems to be standard for builders. In fact, one of the other builders we were considering charged for any alterations to their standard plan regardless so we found Provincial to be reasonable. 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