Browse Forums Building Standards; Getting It Right! 1 Jun 28, 2019 7:21 am We have some load baring double and triple studs (LVL’s) on second story that support the roof. I may have misunderstood the engineer, but what I understood is these studs should continue down to the ground floor frame. The chippy is saying they don’t. Instead they finish at the bottom plate of the second story, then blocking the posies for the extra support. What’s the right way? Thx. Re: Load baring double and triple studs 2Jun 28, 2019 7:50 am Your engineer is in charge, That is the right way, and he should have explained why it is required The chippie is not qualified to design/certify structural framework ie triple studs members The engineer should also inspect the frame..tho I am happy for my clients to check plumb, connections themselves ,etc and send photos to me. How to check Wall and Flooring Tolerances Talk to your Engineer again OT Straight through members are often designed to resist moments (wind loads) at the joint and they are required to be plumb in which case I prefer steel columns hth Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Load baring double and triple studs 3Jun 28, 2019 10:39 am Unless there is engineering detail requiring continuity of double studs then your chippy is right. Common house frame construction involves blocking between floors. In any case in Victoria, building surveyor or a building inspector will inspect and approve the frame. What gave you idea studs should be continuous? I have been a builder for 50 years and built 100'ds of homes and have never seen it. Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: Load baring double and triple studs 4Jun 28, 2019 11:09 am You should also have a structural Framing Plan The locations for structural columns & Triple/quad studs are marked, eg corners under steel beams etc. Make sure the details correspond to the 2D structural plans. 3D Structural Bim Framing Models can also assist here Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ hth Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Load baring double and triple studs 5Jun 28, 2019 12:27 pm building-expert Unless there is engineering detail requiring continuity of double studs then your chippy is right. Common house frame construction involves blocking between floors. In any case in Victoria, building surveyor or a building inspector will inspect and approve the frame. What gave you idea studs should be continuous? I have been a builder for 50 years and built 100'ds of homes and have never seen it. No engineering detail showing continuity of double studs. The engineer said the studs should continue to lower ground frame over the phone, where as the carpenter says they do blocking. Re: Load baring double and triple studs 6Jun 28, 2019 12:52 pm Joejoemetoo No engineering detail showing continuity of double studs. The engineer said the studs should continue to lower ground frame over the phone, where as the carpenter says they do blocking. And that's a big problem what is the Building Inspector going to check non existing Code Details as the engineer signs off without details. Find another carpenter Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Load baring double and triple studs 7Jun 28, 2019 1:37 pm StructuralBIMGuy Joejoemetoo No engineering detail showing continuity of double studs. The engineer said the studs should continue to lower ground frame over the phone, where as the carpenter says they do blocking. And that's a big problem what is the Building Inspector going to check non existing Code Details as the engineer signs off without details. Find another carpenter Engineer said he doesn’t do inspections. Only time he goes on site is if there’s an issue. Do you have an example photo of studs doing down to ground floor? Re: Load baring double and triple studs 8Jun 29, 2019 7:49 am Joejoemetoo Engineer said he doesn’t do inspections. Only time he goes on site is if there’s an issue. Nor do I Since your Designer, Carpenter, Building Surveyor and you don't know what's required I suggest you Pay your Engineer for the correct signed Details/Certification. It's a joke, that you pay $600 to a Building Surveyor/Inspector who has no structural Qualifications and has no idea what to check? Joejoemetoo Do you have an example photo of studs doing down to ground floor? Engineers don't Certify Photos, we certify Structural Details ( 2D & 3D which incidentally is easier for you to understand). The photo that you take is a check & evidence/record that the work is carried out accordingly Some engineers are happy to check photos with data, ie measurements, levels,etc as it saves you $100's on their site visits... you need to seek them out in the first instance and work with them. Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Load baring double and triple studs 9Jun 29, 2019 9:39 am Joejoemetoo building-expert Unless there is engineering detail requiring continuity of double studs then your chippy is right. Common house frame construction involves blocking between floors. In any case in Victoria, building surveyor or a building inspector will inspect and approve the frame. What gave you idea studs should be continuous? I have been a builder for 50 years and built 100'ds of homes and have never seen it. No engineering detail showing continuity of double studs. The engineer said the studs should continue to lower ground frame over the phone, where as the carpenter says they do blocking. Two questions for your engineer 1 Response in writing 2 If the requirement is critical why wasn't it detailed? Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: Load baring double and triple studs 10Jul 01, 2019 7:54 pm It seems unusual for studs to be continuous from ground to 1st floor framing. Could understand a bit more if they were calling for steel. The practicality of this scenario onsite is bizarre. Having 5m+ studs in a ground frame, bracing/plumbing till you get to the 1st floor plus lots of other things about this. There’s the connections to top plate butting into the stud? Do they want studs under top plate each side of the double/triples? Or skew nailed sufficient with triple grips/hoop iron or the like for uplift? Bit of head scratching in my opinion and the carpenter hasn’t said anything incorrect at the moment. Any structural alteration to your home requires building permit. 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