Browse Forums Building Standards; Getting It Right! 1 Nov 13, 2014 5:24 am This was a pre plaster inspection for a $500K home built by premium volume builder. Perfectly good frame structural bracing was vandalised by brainless idiots calling themselves electricians who look like have no tools to cut a neat little opening that is required but instead use their foot or just do not care. http://i1321.photobucket.com/albums/u559/brankom10/DSC_5276_zpsb8c62da9.jpg I have been very critical of this particular builder lately on many jobs because it looks like he has dropped the ball. There is just no evidence of quality control.(cost saving no doubt) Then I get a call from SS very upset at my attitude. His anger should have been directed at his trades that did the damage and frankly I would sack them from the job after deducting cost of bracing replacement. But no! It seems that brainless vandals are a protected species. Long live vandalism! If you were paying $500K on your life's biggest investment what would you think? Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: Vandalism is not dead! Long live vandalism! 2Nov 13, 2014 9:41 am So hopelessly done. I could understand an appropriate size drilled out/ sawn out space for a power point, but clearly this is 'just kick the sh!t out of the wall' type job. So would you accept power points put through this bracing if done properly, or should you simply not put anything through it ? Owner Building at Jimboomba Woods in Logan City Qld. Blog : http://bandlnewhomebuild.blogspot.com H1 thread : viewtopic.php?f=38&t=68283 . Re: Vandalism is not dead! Long live vandalism! 3Nov 13, 2014 9:55 am Engineers will tell you that structural bracing should not be damaged and I agree with that however as a matter of practicality a neatly cut hole no larger than necessary may be acceptable but it is not for me to approve. Apparently it is beyond intelligence of building designers employed by builders (probably cost saving by using lowly qualified ones) to co ordinate placement of services and bracing so they don't foul each other. In this case bracing could have been on the other side of stud wall. Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: Vandalism is not dead! Long live vandalism! 4Nov 13, 2014 10:55 am I must admit that's the first time I've seen the bracing on the inside of the frame, rather than the outside. Our dunny has bracing sheets in too, which I thought was unusual. A practical hole is all that was needed, however what those clowns have done in your photo is just reckless vandalism. Owner Building at Jimboomba Woods in Logan City Qld. Blog : http://bandlnewhomebuild.blogspot.com H1 thread : viewtopic.php?f=38&t=68283 . Re: Vandalism is not dead! Long live vandalism! 5Nov 13, 2014 11:44 am (Proper) holes can also make a structure stronger. 3in1 Supadiverta. Rainwater Harvesting Best Practice using syphonic drainage. Cleaner Neater Smarter Cheaper Supa Gutter Pumper. A low cost syphonic eaves gutter overflow solution. Re: Vandalism is not dead! Long live vandalism! 6Nov 13, 2014 3:01 pm Totally agree - I've known them just to bang a hole with a hammer etc. It takes a few seconds longer to do it properly. Professionalism should be the name of the game. Re: Vandalism is not dead! Long live vandalism! 7Nov 13, 2014 3:33 pm I wonder how many people actually realise how serious this is Electrician does not care and with attitude like that he should be shovelling dirt in the outback. Builder does not care nor is builder able to control people that work on site. Builder has no quality control ( however he does extract premium price for his work). Building control has a blind spot where damaged structural members can be built in undetected because there are no mandatory pre plaster inspections and no one cares. Builder is in breach of skill, care and workmanship, so what? no one cares. Builder has no fear of suspension of registration or penalties for incompetence or misconduct Electrician has no fear of licence cancellation for incompetence. Sum total? It just goes on and you are on your own. Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: Vandalism is not dead! Long live vandalism! 8Nov 13, 2014 3:38 pm anything else wrong with the job? Id be surprised if this was the only major issue. Creator of superduperonium, expert at expert things, nobel laureate, can hold my breath for 10 minutes. Re: Vandalism is not dead! Long live vandalism! 9Nov 13, 2014 4:26 pm Ponzu anything else wrong with the job? Id be surprised if this was the only major issue. No you won't be surprised. There was plenty more. Essential element of quality is consistence, the only consistency about this builder is lack of it across many recent jobs. Cheers Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: Vandalism is not dead! Long live vandalism! 10Nov 13, 2014 8:22 pm SO what was the outcome did they remove teh bracing sheet and start again after your inspection Building Expert? 'It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog.' Re: Vandalism is not dead! Long live vandalism! 11Nov 13, 2014 9:12 pm Can you please private message me who the builder was? Re: Vandalism is not dead! Long live vandalism! 12Nov 14, 2014 1:23 pm building-expert No you won't be surprised. There was plenty more. Essential element of quality is consistence, the only consistency about this builder is lack of it across many recent jobs.Cheers A "premium" builder, you say? LOL Re: Vandalism is not dead! Long live vandalism! 13Nov 14, 2014 2:21 pm I have just realised they only need a whole big enough for the cables to come through. They didnt need to make it big enough for the bracket, as this could sit behind the bracing. Re: Vandalism is not dead! Long live vandalism! 17Nov 25, 2014 11:01 am tlblhayward What do you think of my sisilation art? I assume the tradies whilst putting in the batts, simply cut the batts whilst they were sitting up against the sisilation, instead of marking them, removing them, then cutting them ? I certainly wouldn't accept the end result of what you've seen there. Owner Building at Jimboomba Woods in Logan City Qld. Blog : http://bandlnewhomebuild.blogspot.com H1 thread : viewtopic.php?f=38&t=68283 . Re: Vandalism is not dead! Long live vandalism! 18Nov 25, 2014 10:24 pm Our sisalation was cut to get mortar out of the cavity to try and avoid having to pull the brickwork down. The brickies butchered the sisalation so bad that our builder had agreed to pull the bricks down and start again. Re: Vandalism is not dead! Long live vandalism! 19Nov 26, 2014 11:46 pm Liliana Why was it necessary to cut the sisilation? You are really making me feel ill about everything we didn't get a chance to take photos of in our house Your build could never be as bad as mine. Think positive... Re: Vandalism is not dead! Long live vandalism! 20Nov 27, 2014 6:49 am Well, we can hope tlblhayward. But what you have shown is that if you aren't watching your build (and we didn't), aren't taking photos of everything (and we didn't) and don't have an inspector during the build (and we didn't), then you are asking for trouble. 1 5044 Congratulations! Nice to put that to bed before christmas, now you can relax 3 7822 What? 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