Browse Forums Building Standards; Getting It Right! Re: New house frame issues 23Oct 06, 2014 10:35 am Firstly, check that if your supervisor has completed a frame write-up - they should be going through the frame (post completion) to highlight things like this. FYI frames and windows are typically stacked onsite - they need to be able to put up with weather or else they wouldn't last!! mud is not ideal but they will be thoroughly cleaned and inspected by the supervisor and you!! hope that helps Re: New house frame issues 24Oct 06, 2014 11:50 am Beetaloo, we used to just double up the top plates so you didn't have to worry about the roof framing and where it was supported plus nearly every job we installed the studs at 450mm crs. Quote: mud is not ideal but they will be thoroughly cleaned and inspected by the supervisor and you! Good luck with that one. Stewie Re: New house frame issues 26Oct 06, 2014 12:19 pm Quote: we used to just double up the top plates so you didn't have to worry about the roof framing and where it was supported plus nearly every job we installed the studs at 450mm crs. So did I on my build. I think they are called a ribbon plates. I used 2x90x45 top plates. This way the trusses could land anywhere and I didn't have to think about the trusses when I made up my wall frames. Re: New house frame issues 29Oct 06, 2014 2:43 pm There are several methods and boards etc that you can use to brace a building. As long as it's manufactured to AS2269 ( I think that's the one ), AS 1684 – Residential Timber Framed Construction Code and passed by the engineer it doesn't matter whether it is ply, hardboard, mdf or pressed Weetbix. Quote: Why don't all builders just do this for the sake of a couple of hundred extra in materials? If they did that for all aspects of the build the overall costs would blow out substantially even though you'd end up with a better house. Stewie Re: New house frame issues 31Oct 06, 2014 5:39 pm Hi hitman, Don't forget the Building Inspector for the job is being paid by the builder no doubt? Apple carts and all that! Building Consultants often find fault with what the Building Inspector for the job passes as adequate, Good luck with a fairly poor job in my opinion based on the photos, Leonardo_23 Re: New house frame issues 32Oct 06, 2014 5:49 pm Oh no I have hired an independent inspector to work for us I have noticed a few things that I don't think is right and the answers k got from the builder I'm not 100% on so even if he only picks up one or two faults IMO it's money well spent, I think he'll find more than that though Re: New house frame issues 33Oct 06, 2014 5:51 pm If you are using double top plates you still have to think about your girder truss point loads and provide double (or triple) studs. I think set out is the basic art of any trade (how many times have I seen a good tiling job but with awful set out?) and in the case of a house frame it is not a rocket science. You set out your frame from the roof down and even a high school kid could master that in an afternoon. I personally like to see a frame accurately set out with all trusses aligning with studs. I don't have time for people who are lazy to think, they are the ones that should be opening doors for those that do. I don't like truss sitting on a top plate between studs (whether double plate or not) or even if computer program says it is structurally adequate I think it's lacking art of trade and workmanship. Just my rant. Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: New house frame issues 34Oct 07, 2014 6:33 am And if you are serious about saving the environment and building cost by not using timber unnecessarily why not use your grey matter instead. If a little brain activity will save using say 40 lineal metres of 90x45 pine top plate, that in my opinion is what should happen. Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: New house frame issues 35Oct 07, 2014 8:44 am We used to use double top plates and 450mm stud centres as a matter of course BE. Point loads notwithstanding I agree you can lay out your trusses or a traditional roof quite easily so that they line up with the studs however that also depends on the design of the house, wall intersections, window locations etc. I just like a beefier top plate that double gives you. I also liked to do two rows of nogs. Stewie Re: New house frame issues 36Oct 07, 2014 9:14 am Myself I prefer timber framed houses having previously owned a steel frame and currently also renting one, I don't like them for a few different reasons. Maybe a mixture of the two materials would be better, a hybrid framed house if you will. Like I said though I would have happily paid a few hundred extra for the option of beefed up frame and 450 centres. Re: New house frame issues 37Oct 07, 2014 10:54 am I tend to agree. I just like 450mm crs better. 600mm centres for stud walls just seem a little more flimsy but that's just a personal view. If the engineering has been worked out for 600mm centres and it works OK then that's all that really matters. Some of the curved walls in our upcoming build will be around 150mm max but that's another story. Stewie Re: New house frame issues 38Oct 07, 2014 8:04 pm Should I be worried about the water pooling in one spot of my slab? I saw the concreter on the weekend and he said they can level it easily. I'm just worried about the timber sitting in the water I guess Re: New house frame issues 39Oct 08, 2014 5:55 am [quote="hitman"]Should I be worried about the water pooling in one spot of my slab? I saw the concreter on the weekend and he said they can level it easily. I'm just worried about the timber sitting in the water I guess You don't need to be worried, timber will not be sitting in the water for long enough to deteriorate and will dry up OK Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog Re: New house frame issues 40Oct 08, 2014 6:19 am This is what I am talking about The frame is accurately set out and there is no need for double top plates Workmanship on display is excellent http://i1321.photobucket.com/albums/u559/brankom10/DSC_2151_zpsc187221b.jpg In the frame below trusses miss studs and sit on top plate between studs (note knot defect in top plate where truss sits) http://i1321.photobucket.com/albums/u559/brankom10/DSC_2930_zps10eb1312.jpg This frame was put together with a framing carpenter that does not know how to set out frame or is too lazy to think. All that was required was for the framer to think, instead he choose to remain brain dead. Workmanship on display is defective because it does not display skill and care. Would you expect framer skilled in his art to do better? Answer Yes Would a builder have this rubbish in his house? Answer No Remedy? Demolish and rebuild. Will it happen ? NO Why will you have it in in your house? Because framer is allowed to get away with it by inserting blocking. Result? Mediocrity continues,poor workmanship is not punished, sanctioned by the failed building control and the legal system Foremost Building Expert in Australia,assisting with building problems/disputes, building stage inspections,pre-contract review advice for peace of mind 200 blogs http://www.buildingexpert.net.au/blog This is 100% true. You can not hang anything on steel frames. very frustrating 8 4635 Hi, We have a single story MacDonald Jones house, on a waffle pod slab with steel frame. Are we able to build a second story extension? Other info is we are 900mm from… 0 8373 Thanks for your reply. I will just wait and see I guess. Trying to get some more information from our builder. 9 29919 |