Browse Forums Building Standards; Getting It Right! 1 May 23, 2011 10:18 pm Hey all, Building with a volume builder and we've noticed this has happened to the frame: Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Notice that the timber beam to the left is being pushed down into the gap left between the slab and the frame, and thus is pushing the timber up on the right side... We'd reason it's because the steel lintel is supporting the rear bricks of the upper story... Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Any input would be great! Re: Does this need to be fixed, and if so, how? 2May 24, 2011 12:58 pm Main problem I see is that they have cut the bottom plate (horizontal timber at the base) too short and so therefore the end stud (vertical timber closest to steel column) is not supported adequately at its base. They have then tried to do a *** fix. This sort of thing is also a big no no when the wall is braced as this one is. Capacity of the bracing will be reduced in this instance. Its hard to tell if the stud wall is load bearing or if the column should be taking the weight of the framing above and the steel lintel. If wall is load bearing that would explain the sag that you are seeing here. Hard to tell but i don't believe the stud wall should be loaded at all by the steel lintel of the brickwork above. Re: Does this need to be fixed, and if so, how? 3May 24, 2011 1:38 pm I believe there are 2 bolts to secure the steel pole to the slab, hence they have to cut the bottom plate to accommodate them. The fix is really ******* to say the least. I'm no expert, but from what I see from my own house, (it has steel poles and beams everywhere) is that they have that stud moved 100 across to sit on the bottom plate. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ None of them are load bearing though, can't see the reason you need a load bearing stud right next to the steel pole in your case. A pic from below may helps Built: Modified H3nl3y S0h0 Q1 in Melbourne :- Never again Re: Does this need to be fixed, and if so, how? 4May 24, 2011 5:41 pm The bottom plate is short because of the base plate of the steel post. The stud should line up with the end of the plate, and another trimmer stud to pack out the space to the steel post. Like in EmeryBB's pic. The studs are not load bearing, just there to give the gyprock something to hang on to. (EDIT: apologies for the preposition I end the sentence with) What they did was: 1. Put a noggin on top of the bottom plate to sorta make it look right 2. Cut the stud and jam it on top, BUT, the moron cut the stud too long, and it's pushing down on the noggin. Tell them to fix it. ".....teach people the flanges are rubber and are damaged when a gorilla turns them off....." Re: Does this need to be fixed, and if so, how? 6May 25, 2011 12:18 pm Ok, it looks like it is a load bearing stud after all. The chipy did a half correct job and was told it still needs to laminate a trimmer stud, he either couldn't understand it or just being too lazy to do it. Built: Modified H3nl3y S0h0 Q1 in Melbourne :- Never again Re: Does this need to be fixed, and if so, how? 7May 25, 2011 1:08 pm I would check your steelwork connection details for this area against the engineers drawings as well. It doesn't look quite right from these limited photos. May be all ok but worth a check anyway. Did they put only half the lintel in then add the other half later or something? Re: Does this need to be fixed, and if so, how? 8May 25, 2011 3:17 pm Should be meeting the SS later this week to walk through the house anyways, so I'll definitely bring that up and see his opinion on it. @Malcolm, good idea, I shall check the engineering plans later tonight! The other half of the steel lintel was put up way after the frame was done too - just before they started laying the bricks to that rear elevation actually! Thank you so much everyone. This all makes a lot of sense. I guess when you talk to a builder who butters up everything to look very polished, you get to start believing… 7 17507 So AFAIk the outcomes of the BAL ratings form part of a clause that allows them to pass these costs on to you. However the more relevant detail is how did it go from 19… 1 9142 I've just built 3 stairs off a landing out the back and been told by the private certifier I need hand rails sorry tried to attach a pic but couldn't mine don't have sides… 5 5704 |