May 07, 2006 10:32 pm
I would like to have square set cornices (ie. no cornices) in my new house. If a builder refuses to do them, can I assume their work would not be up to scratch (in my amateur brain I think regular cornices could hide a multitude of sins - am I right?). Thanks.
Re: Square set cornices2
Jun 14, 2006 12:05 am
No, in a word.
Square set is more difficult for the plasterer and is definitely more expensive than most cornice options. In one sense however you are right in that a square set option leaves no margin for error in that the walls must be straight and the wall/ceiling junction needs to be pretty tight so that it stops up nicely.
In the end, if you have a money tree then you can have anything you want but if your builder has quoted standard 55mm cove cornice then you won't be getting square set for anywhere near the same price and could easily add a couple of thousand to your project - depending on size.
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Aug 03, 2006 7:37 pm
square set corners shouldn't be that mauch more expensive providing bricky is square and wall plasterer is plumb..............shadow line is a good option if not wanting cornice and in my opinion looks awsome in a modern home
shadow line is basically a metal trim made by rhondo and leaves a nice recessed line around the entire room
Re: Square set cornices4
Aug 04, 2006 1:08 am
Micky, I agree with cost comment for solid brick but in Victoria solid brick is rare in new homes which I understand is the opposite case in WA.
For plasterboard over timber walls then square set is a lot more expensive than std cove - believe me!
I assumed the house was timber frame - mek?
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Oct 14, 2006 9:52 pm
hey guys, i'm a plasterer by trade. For the modern clean line look which these days is very poular square set is definately the way to go. Builda you are right it is more expensive, but what you have to consider is, if you want a particular look especially architecturally designed homes you must be willing to pay extra for it. But my advice renovated and built, is maybe cut a cost from somewhere else or even a few things obviously not things that are critical but things where are maybe not as noticable. As for shadowline, if you want a good job, the top plate must be very straight cos any variation in the shadow shows up under light like dogs ?????
Re: Square set cornices8
Nov 07, 2006 6:58 pm
You really think every thing in WA is double brick? Maybe the old stuff. I would have said I left that & piered timber floors behind in NSW and that it is all steel framing here inthe big WA. Been doing rammed earth, steel and glass mainly.
<-Hates double brick.
Green Vision (WA)
Re: Square set cornices9
Feb 23, 2007 12:56 pm
Gyprock have released a new cornice that creates a neat shadowline against the wall and looks great if installed flush with the ceiling. Definitely the poor mans option and satisfies those pernickity architectural requirements...
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Nov 01, 2007 10:22 pm
I was told by a construction company that when buidling square set corners that metal is a better product and some companies use paper?? is this true ???
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Re: Square set cornices11
Jan 29, 2009 12:22 pm
I agree the answer is no.
You have to remember volume home bullders cut costs everywhere and some of them screw the bejesus out of their tradies so they end up attracting the less skilled variety.
It may simply be if the builder refuses he know his guys arent' up to it and he's not prepared to pay for someone who can or its not worth the grief to him of getting his existing tradies to have a go. From the builders perspective its often about volume - get in there and move on.
That doesn't mean though they will necessarily do a poor job with a conventional cornice however. Probably every bit as good as those more skilled.
I've been in/out the industry for quite some time and had volume builders build for me. You will often find the guy pulling the electrical wires through your house and connecting the points is not trade qualified. Later on someone trade qualified who suposedly oversaw the work who is trade qualified signs off on it. Welcome to the real world - it's very common practice.
One other quick case in point. I wanted to upgrade a standard gas storage HWS to a instantaneous rinnai infinity or bosch unit. On enquiry my builder told me "...there plumbers weren't real plumbers" and couldn't do it. You could have knocked me over with a feather at the time but nowadays I'm just used to it. By the way even if that were the case I still can't beleive they actually told me that.
Understand the system you are in and make allowances for it and you can enjoy the cost savings of volume builders and use your own informed judgement on when to press the envelope.
The same logic applies to gyprockers.
PS Be careful of shadow effect spiders love building the webs there and cleaning the awkward rebate is not easy and definetly only so interesting !
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Mar 08, 2009 3:24 pm
We have square set cornicing to our feature entry, looks like a good job by plasterers. It was standard and it looks great.
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Apr 09, 2009 7:27 pm
We have the standard cove, and after doing a bit of research on here discovered the shadowset cornice and I think looks excellent, love the style and finish of it.
It would suit the style of our home. I contacted our builder (project home builder) and they said that they would not quote for me to upgrade as it is too late. I asked again saying you are only up to first level brickwork .. and still, a firm no was the reply. (This was from the Construction Manager).
At that stage we were only just about to complete the brickwork of our first storey. It is a two storey, brick and colourbond home.
I am still very disappointed at this. We are now up to second floor brickwork, which is just about complete.
How difficult would it be to remove the the cove after handover?
Or is there any other suggestions. My husband says move on ... but it really is something that I think would make a great impression and I feel so powerless that at the beck and call of the builder we have no say. We are not building a cheap home by any means, we are classed as quite a big contract for them.
The only changes I have made since construction were colours and tile size. (which a $400 variation fee was paid)
I even asked if they could not do the cornices, but that was denied too.
Sorry for my rant ..... but it's still quite a bone of contention with me
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Apr 14, 2009 1:03 pm
I've been in the trade for 15 years and for the builder to say to you "NO" we won't quote you on square set over scotia is rediculous.
My plasterer charges me $18 p/m2 for supply/hang/stop/cornice or square set and i'm more than happy with that price.
Any plasterer should be able to do square set, its no different to doing an internal corner except its horizontal rather than vertical.
I would jump up and down if i couldn't have what i wanted, and was paying all that money, go over the site managers head if you need to.
Lastly, removing cornice is a **** of a job, and not recommended, it wil always tear the paper, even if you scribe it first with a knife, and then the repairs afterwards are a pain.
The only thing that makes a difference when doing sqaure set over cornice is making sure the sheets butt up fairly nicely (only 3-5mm)
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Re: Square set cornices15
Apr 15, 2009 12:46 pm
Thanks buildersedge for your reply.
The "no" answer for me came from the Construction Manager, who is quite senior. So I don't think I can go much higher.
I actually only wanted to change the cornice from standard cove to Shadowset. I am sure if I could liaise with the plasterer direct it would be no problem, but everything has to be done through the office. I don't even know who they use for the plastering or where they get their supply from.
Thanks again for taking the time to reply.
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Aug 08, 2009 4:20 pm
friend of ours ( pro builder & civil engineer) suggested to do a square set for the bottom of the house and the second level with a normal cornice . his reasoning was; force of nature; the upper level may move at times and after a while .. may hear screeching noises.