Browse Forums Building Standards; Getting It Right! 1 Dec 10, 2010 8:20 pm Just checked out the frame today, and noticed some of the beams are not flat on the ground. I'll be chasing this up with the SS on Monday. It's definitely not right is it? Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ photo-1 by khoile, on Flickr Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ photo-2 by khoile, on Flickr Re: Frame studs not flat on ground. 2Dec 12, 2010 7:01 am Something definitely wrong there. Either a problem with the original frame construction, or more likely the concrete slab not even The Harder You Try - the Luckier You Get ! Web site http://www.anewhouse.com.au Informative, Amusing, and Opinionated Blog - Over 600 posts on all aspects of building a new house. Re: Frame studs not flat on ground. 3Dec 12, 2010 9:53 am bashworth Something definitely wrong there. Either a problem with the original frame construction, or more likely the concrete slab not even Thanks, I didn't even think of the slab not being even Re: Frame studs not flat on ground. 4Jan 08, 2011 1:11 pm Very odd ... it looks like the bottom plate timber is really warped in that spot. Maybe you could check that whole area (timber and slab) with a spirit level? It won't be perfectly level, but at least maybe you could see which is the wrong part. (Although, not sure if anything can be done about it.) The nails under the studs - maybe they realised the studs were cut too short, so they left it like that temporarily. My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Frame studs not flat on ground. 5Jan 12, 2011 7:38 am Even if the slab is not level, the studs should be cut long enough for a level top plate. or close to. it looks as though those particular studs were cut short. The trusses are usually then packed up on top of the top or ribbon plate to get the ceiling/roof level. Is the top plate straight/ reasonably level? Re: Frame studs not flat on ground. 6Jan 12, 2011 8:18 am The more I look at the pics, the more I think it might be the slab (not level). When I raised the issue of those several studs being too short - it didn't look like it was the slab, but I really wished there was a pic of the whole height of the studs, including the top plate/upper storey frame/roof framing, whatever may be the case. What's going on at the other end of the studs?? I'm now thinking this may have been a pre-manufactured frame, and when they assembled it, they realised the studs became too short. Although, even that doesn't explain why would they leave the air "supporting" the studs and not pack them right away (but I think that's obvious anyway). In any way, we need more info, plus an update from the OP would be nice. My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Frame studs not flat on ground. 7Jan 12, 2011 8:51 am My guess, looks like an uneven slab...assuming the frame is prefabbed they started assembling the frame and when they fired the nails into the bottom plate it pulled the plate onto the uneven slab pulling the stud away from the bottom plate and exposing the nails. mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard Re: Frame studs not flat on ground. 8Jan 12, 2011 9:28 am t_d_l on the mark again. But I'd expect. Where you are coming from is where you are going to... Re: Frame studs not flat on ground. 9Jan 12, 2011 9:30 am OP here, I believe they have fixed the issue, I don't think they did anything with the slab however. I will update with pictures this afternoon when I go visit the site. The supervisor said everything gets fixed after it goes for QA, I'm just surprised they expect you to pay for the frame stage before it passes QA Re: Frame studs not flat on ground. 10Jan 12, 2011 11:20 am to_do_list My guess, looks like an uneven slab...assuming the frame is prefabbed they started assembling the frame and when they fired the nails into the bottom plate it pulled the plate onto the uneven slab pulling the stud away from the bottom plate and exposing the nails. Would not happen as the walls are stood up one at a time, all that would happen is it would bring the top plate down also and you would get a curve in the wall, i also highly doubt that the slab has a 35-40mm fall in one 'hole' it would be easily recognisible by eye to anyone with any experience. It looks at though the wall has been lifted upward to ither prop a roof/floor truss or for another reason. PS i didnt see any straps on the studs around the bottom plate so i would assume it was knocked up on site. Re: Frame studs not flat on ground. 11Jan 12, 2011 11:45 am koylez OP here, I believe they have fixed the issue, I don't think they did anything with the slab however. I will update with pictures this afternoon when I go visit the site. The supervisor said everything gets fixed after it goes for QA, I'm just surprised they expect you to pay for the frame stage before it passes QA Hey OP , you got us interested and then left us all alone to our misery Also looks like you haven't seen the fixes yet ... hope it's all good. Would be really interesting to hear why those studs were sitting on the nails / how did that all happen - if you could find out. My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Frame studs not flat on ground. 12Jan 12, 2011 12:18 pm mrh20 to_do_list My guess, looks like an uneven slab...assuming the frame is prefabbed they started assembling the frame and when they fired the nails into the bottom plate it pulled the plate onto the uneven slab pulling the stud away from the bottom plate and exposing the nails. Would not happen as the walls are stood up one at a time, all that would happen is it would bring the top plate down also and you would get a curve in the wall, i also highly doubt that the slab has a 35-40mm fall in one 'hole' it would be easily recognisible by eye to anyone with any experience. It looks at though the wall has been lifted upward to ither prop a roof/floor truss or for another reason. PS i didnt see any straps on the studs around the bottom plate so i would assume it was knocked up on site. Fair call...although my thought was that because there looks like a poop pipe or some other plumbing there if they had put a slurry around it may have dished down locally. A similar slumping occurred on my previous house but it wasn't at a corner and the bottom plate simply bridged it. As you say though the dishing would be quite prominent. mmm....donuts Homer Simpson 1956- Links: Site Costs Ready Reckoner | H1 Addiction Medical Advice | Château TDL: The Backyard Re: Frame studs not flat on ground. 13Jan 30, 2011 5:57 am Such things will always occur for as long people are prepared to pay money for such 3rd world workmanship and construction methods. And at the end when all this is covered up they call it "house" and ask big money for it. Change is what we need! Can we? YES WE CAN!!!!! This is 100% true. You can not hang anything on steel frames. very frustrating 8 5340 Hi everyone, Looking for some advise. We are about to build an above ground pool in our backyard. 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