Browse Forums Building Standards; Getting It Right! Re: Paint Peeling - Plaster too soft? 23Aug 17, 2015 12:43 pm Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Paint Peeling - Plaster too soft? 31Jul 19, 2017 2:50 pm Hi everyone, I'm in WA and I have also had this problem in my house build a few years ago. The builder has been no help and denied anything was wrong as well. I contacted the Painters Registration Board as I thought it was a priming problem but they were extremely unhelpful and almost aggressive in the conversation, saying I couldn't report issues to them and had to go through my builder (who was terrible). I would think that the number of problem houses is much more than they have estimated. The Building Commission was also no help saying I would be wasting my time and money to lodge a complaint. I also got no joy from Taubmans when I called, but by the way they spoke it sounded like a common problem here in WA. I would also be interested in how to test to determine the problem, I am more interested in finding a solution. At the moment even the removable 3M hooks just peel off the wall with a trail of paint stuck to them exposing plaster, it is so disappointing that you can spend upwards of $650,000 on a product with no real warranty or any ability to fix obvious poor workmanship. Re: Paint Peeling - Plaster too soft? 32Apr 25, 2018 1:33 am Follow-up 3 years later; the builder has brushed the issue off as normal from impacts despite the fact it has gotten much worse and there is damage to pretty much every wall in the house from all sorts of different causes. I accept that some damage wear and tear would be normal but the scale this is happening on is entirely not fit for purpose in my view even if it was "normal". And very much sounds similar to what is mentioned in the below report and also matches bad behavior described in AS/NZS 2311:2009. Now looking to find someone qualified to evaluate the situation and whether they agree with my thoughts. In my specific case, the paint was done through the building contract, which probably simplifies things for me to some extent compared to others. Although my primary issue is largely not peeling but simply the surface is too soft, it takes very low impact damage to deform the surface. For the information of others reading this thread, I would refer you to read the following reports that were semi-recently released (2016, since I first started looking into this). The full report PDF is here: https://www.masterpainters.asn.au/documents/item/44 A couple of summaries: https://www.masterpainters.asn.au/news- ... ter-report https://www.commerce.wa.gov.au/announce ... e-painters If anyone wants to share with me the specific testing they did / companies they used / the outcome of their complaints I would love to hear from you, you can e-mail to trent@lloyd.id.au - I would really appreciate it. Cheers Re: Paint Peeling - Plaster too soft? 33Apr 25, 2018 8:38 am LOL...The painters report was a whitewash...get it Meanwhile thousands are left to consider gyprocking over their walls yet another consumer protection/ Building Commission agency failing Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Paint Peeling - Plaster too soft? 34May 12, 2018 2:12 am I have had a representative from the Plasters Association and one from the Painters and Decorators inspect my walls a few weeks ago. No solution was offered to fix the problem. The inspector from the plaster's association did a visual inspection and said it looked fine, it was a paint issue. The painting inspector thought it was both a plaster and a painting issue, the only real solution is to live with it and patch up when you can't put up with the scratches and peels. My paint peels off whenever anything touches the wall (e.g. leather couch), and the paint that comes off has a powdery covering on the back. It is also soft, I have my computer monitor on a swivel stand and turned it too far one day. It dug through the paint and plaster down to the grey render with no damage to my monitor. The paint inspector said he had seen a lot worse jobs than mine, the worst was plaster and paint falling off the wall spontaneously, where as mine needs a minor touch or bump to cause damage. When I have time I was going to try different binder / sealers and paints to see if anything works better. Not feeling great about this whole process... Re: Paint Peeling - Plaster too soft? 35Aug 05, 2018 12:17 pm There is a multitude of variables that can impact. It was always recommended that walls were left 3 months, preferably 12 months so that the whiteset could reabsorb carbondioxide and truly harden. Painters never used to 'seal' walls, instead they would put a fat white coat of white on. The problem with 'sealing' too early or even worse, while walls are wet is the whiteset is denied carbon dioxide to 'harden' the white. Other variables are watering down paint, spray misting paìnt to walls and 'laying off' paint as a laughable two coats. Spraying paint is a new variable of only getting traction the past two decades. *All in my opinion only Re: Paint Peeling - Plaster too soft? 36Aug 05, 2018 12:21 pm If you put sticky tape on plasterboard, it will peel the paint off the plasterboard. The key to good solid plaster whiteset walls are leaving the walls before sealing as long as possible so they may absorb carbon dioxide and harden and dry releasing all moisture. 2 good coats of seal. Then paint. *All in my opinion only Re: Paint Peeling - Plaster too soft? 37Aug 05, 2018 12:26 pm If your walls are soft they may be treated with a 'special formulated ratio' phosphoric acid treatment to harden them. The other option is you drywall your house instead of solid hardwall plaster. Do note however that stickytape will peel paint of plasterboard gypsum sheet. *All in my opinion only Re: Paint Peeling - Plaster too soft? 38Aug 05, 2018 12:39 pm There has been a noteable fall in quality supervision and organisation of housing construction. Houses are slow to start then supervisors try to resolve poor organisation trying to make up their poor time management by painting on wet walls and sometimes the sealer diluted along with poor coverage, sometimes no sealer at all. Worse still, if the paint is diluted with water the paint becomes weak; combined with spray paint poor adhesion can occur. If supervision is abominable and walls are painted fast and wet, diluted with water and other cheap paint, you get a perfect storm of soft plaster and whispy poorly adhered paint sitting on the surface. The whiteset no time to release water, absorb CO2 and harden *All in my opinion only Re: Paint Peeling - Plaster too soft? 39Aug 05, 2018 12:54 pm The reason wet areas have to be waterproofed is moisture ingress via capillary action through the walls destroys the plaster on the back eg. the shower. You all know a leaky pipe destroys plaster so why would a supervisor make a decision to send in the white setters before the walls are dry? Why would a supervisor make the decision to send in the painters to seal freshly whiteset walls or send painters to seal wet walls destroying the plaster whiteset? Whats worse, painters not applying sealer and or watering down paint to save paint. And misting paint via a spray gun onto walls, worse, wet walls. Builder supervisors are called supervisors because they are wholly responsible for the building quality directive process. Builder supervisors are responsible for the outcomes. You dont go back to Holden and blame the paint guy because the paint is peeling. Just like the car maker, the builder is responsible. If the builder starts deflecting. Walk away and contact the Building Commision about a trbunal dispute. Don't waste your time with phones. All communication should be in writing. *All in my opinion only Re: Paint Peeling - Plaster too soft? 40Aug 18, 2018 3:48 pm 3 years later, the paint still peels away from a well sealed (dulux oil based sealer) section of wall. As most others in this thread have concluded, the issue is because the plasterer added things to the render which have leached through the plaster and weakened it. 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