Browse Forums Windows & Doors 1 Sep 28, 2008 7:21 pm Hi!
I'm not sure if this question has been asked before - if it has, i'm sorry! - I'm just wondering if it's possible to install a timber bi-fold external door system so that it is flush with the floor...that is, when open, there is no interruption between the internal floor and the external floor... I've read about bi-folds with "no-sill" or a "recessed sill"...is that the same thing? Any advice appreciated! Re: Timber Bi-folds doors flush with floor (no sill) 2Sep 28, 2008 7:55 pm Possible though the outside really needs to be undercover as well i.e. pergola roof etc. Re: Timber Bi-folds doors flush with floor (no sill) 3Sep 28, 2008 8:40 pm We had that situation in our rental - the bifolds opening out to decking which was the same level as the floor inside - but as Luke said, it was a covered area. I guess this is so your inside doesn't get flooded! Re: Timber Bi-folds doors flush with floor (no sill) 4Sep 28, 2008 9:38 pm donuts We had that situation in our rental - the bifolds opening out to decking which was the same level as the floor inside - but as Luke said, it was a covered area. I guess this is so your inside doesn't get flooded! hmmmmmmmmm...i hadn't actually thought about that aspect....! And no...that is actually the one outdoor area of the house that isn't covered by the roof line or a balcony! Argh! We really want to try and achieve that flush, seamless flow from inside to out (the courtyard/terrace is adjacent to the open plan kitchen/family)...maybe some sort of external drainage along the length of the bi-folds?! ( i was looking for a "hopeful" emoticon, but couldn't find one! haha) Re: Timber Bi-folds doors flush with floor (no sill) 5Sep 28, 2008 10:34 pm contact www.paarhammer.com.au
they are the leading timber joinery manufacturer in Oz. Re: Timber Bi-folds doors flush with floor (no sill) 6Sep 28, 2008 10:54 pm windowexpert contact www.paarhammer.com.au they are the leading timber joinery manufacturer in Oz. Thanks for the advice! Do you happen to know if they supply to Canberra...? Re: Timber Bi-folds doors flush with floor (no sill) 7Dec 05, 2013 1:22 pm Hi, What wording should be included in our contract to clearly and concisely stipulate that we would like the corner stacker door to be flush with internal/external floor levels? Currently the wording is: "Provide a rebated bottom sill to corner stacker door in lieu of standard. Corner stacker door to be so Door is flush with the Internal and External Floor levels" Does this suffice? If there is anyone that has had this feature built into their home what language did you use to ensure you got the effect you were looking for? The look I'm after is this: Thanks Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk --- Re: Timber Bi-folds doors flush with floor (no sill) 8Dec 06, 2013 1:23 pm *** bump! Would be very thankful for help from those who have flush sliding doors from inside to out? What wording was used and maybe even post pictures up of your bifolds/stackers/biparting/corner stacker doors? Thanks!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk --- Re: Timber Bi-folds doors flush with floor (no sill) 9Dec 06, 2013 2:37 pm MyH1Login *** bump! Would be very thankful for help from those who have flush sliding doors from inside to out? What wording was used and maybe even post pictures up of your bifolds/stackers/biparting/corner stacker doors? Thanks!! How about these pics..... 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( i was looking for a "hopeful" emoticon, but couldn't find one! haha) We have something similar with our build: a large open plan living/dining area with bifolds opening onto the alfresco. So we really wanted the floor levels to be flush. It took us weeks and weeks of negotiations with the builder to get them to agree. You see it at display homes, restaurants etc but they kept telling us it couldn't be done. We got there eventually. Our addenda wording is: "Bifold doors - Recessed in Slab [type of doors - ours are a Jasons aluminium door] with Artisan Ep6446 flat sill profile and flashing for length of door Note: Internal and external FFL to be the same" It seems there are two types of sills for most doors: one will have the external level slightly lower (which is more common when it opens to the outside) and the other has both floor levels the same (the flat sill referred to in our addenda). You also need the sill recessed into the slab. As well as the addenda, we had to get the builder to show the correct sill detail in our construction drawings. And as others have mentioned, you do need to think about avoiding flooding. We'll have a grate outside our bifolds, with a channel underneath to remove any water from the sill. We want paving or aggregate in our alfresco, which made things more complicated. If we'd had decking outside, there would have been much less concern about flooding because the water can drain through the gaps in the decking. I can't show you any photos yet because our house is still under construction But we think it will be a really worthwhile feature. Good luck! Built with WBN in WA Slab down 16 Aug 2013, Handover 16 April 2014, Moved in 2 June 2014 Our house build thread Re: Timber Bi-folds doors flush with floor (no sill) 11Dec 06, 2013 10:35 pm ps. This diagram shows how the water can escape into an outside grate if the inside and outside are level Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Built with WBN in WA Slab down 16 Aug 2013, Handover 16 April 2014, Moved in 2 June 2014 Our house build thread Re: Timber Bi-folds doors flush with floor (no sill) 12Dec 08, 2013 2:51 pm This one is not flush... 30mm (or so) higher on the inside. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Timber Bi-folds doors flush with floor (no sill) 13Dec 08, 2013 4:35 pm ed @ ecoclassic This one is not flush... 30mm (or so) higher on the inside. Ed Agreed. The diagram was just meant to show the way water can escape the sill through the use of a grate, not the inside/outside being perfectly flat. Built with WBN in WA Slab down 16 Aug 2013, Handover 16 April 2014, Moved in 2 June 2014 Our house build thread Re: Timber Bi-folds doors flush with floor (no sill) 14Dec 08, 2013 6:29 pm cameronandmiranda ed @ ecoclassic This one is not flush... 30mm (or so) higher on the inside. Ed Agreed. The diagram was just meant to show the way water can escape the sill through the use of a grate, not the inside/outside being perfectly flat. Thanks Cameron - I wanted to know also if "rebated" and "recessed" were synonymous? The 'gutter' feature is definitely a required aspect of the look, did your addenda have reference to this? Hi Ed - you are the resident expert on Homeone - what would you suggest the addenda should be? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk --- Re: Timber Bi-folds doors flush with floor (no sill) 15Dec 08, 2013 7:49 pm All this info is great for what we are researching currently. Thanks. Can anyone provide any indicative pricing on smallish corner bifold? Also, anyone out there that's installed bifolds themselves? possible if you're really handy or best left to professionals? What we are looking to do http://whitewallsandsunflowers.wordpres ... he-vision/ B. Re: Timber Bi-folds doors flush with floor (no sill) 16Dec 08, 2013 8:02 pm MyH1Login Thanks Cameron - I wanted to know also if "rebated" and "recessed" were synonymous? The 'gutter' feature is definitely a required aspect of the look, did your addenda have reference to this? Yes, I think rebated and recessed are synonymous, but it would be worth checking that both you and your builder mean the same thing, whichever wording you use. And no, the gutter feature isn't in our addenda, but that's because it's something we're doing ourselves after handover, with our alfresco paving. We did, however, need to have provision by the builder for connection to the drainage. Built with WBN in WA Slab down 16 Aug 2013, Handover 16 April 2014, Moved in 2 June 2014 Our house build thread Re: Timber Bi-folds doors flush with floor (no sill) 17Dec 08, 2013 10:07 pm MyH1Login cameronandmiranda ed @ ecoclassic This one is not flush... 30mm (or so) higher on the inside. Ed Agreed. The diagram was just meant to show the way water can escape the sill through the use of a grate, not the inside/outside being perfectly flat. Thanks Cameron - I wanted to know also if "rebated" and "recessed" were synonymous? The 'gutter' feature is definitely a required aspect of the look, did your addenda have reference to this? Hi Ed - you are the resident expert on Homeone - what would you suggest the addenda should be? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk If your contract says flush inside/outside, then it's the builder's problem to provide that. There are many systems like the one shown, StormTech is a proprietary add-on like the one on the GIF. We make one for our sliding doors for commercial projects. Hinged doors, and bifolds without an up-stand will not be waterproof in high wind and heavy rain. But under cover is OK. Technically a rebate is set into an edge (like a cutout along the edge) and a recess can be in the middle of the slab or away from the edge. Your wording needs to talk about the sill rather than the door... Quote: "Provide a rebated bottom sill to corner stacker door in lieu of standard. Corner stacker door to be so TOP OF DOOR SILL is flush with the Internal and External Floor levels" Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Timber Bi-folds doors flush with floor (no sill) 18Dec 09, 2013 9:15 pm ed @ ecoclassic If your contract says flush inside/outside, then it's the builder's problem to provide that. There are many systems like the one shown, StormTech is a proprietary add-on like the one on the GIF. We make one for our sliding doors for commercial projects. Hinged doors, and bifolds without an up-stand will not be waterproof in high wind and heavy rain. But under cover is OK. Technically a rebate is set into an edge (like a cutout along the edge) and a recess can be in the middle of the slab or away from the edge. Your wording needs to talk about the sill rather than the door... Quote: "Provide a rebated bottom sill to corner stacker door in lieu of standard. Corner stacker door to be so TOP OF DOOR SILL is flush with the Internal and External Floor levels" Ed Thanks Ed, I will add those few extra words into the contract. I appreciate all the info. I would just hate to sign the dotted line then realise that the builder had some sort of 'out' in their back pocket to argue that the contract didn't clearly stipulate what was discussed. --- Re: Timber Bi-folds doors flush with floor (no sill) 19Dec 09, 2013 9:17 pm cameronandmiranda And no, the gutter feature isn't in our addenda, but that's because it's something we're doing ourselves after handover, with our alfresco paving. We did, however, need to have provision by the builder for connection to the drainage. Do you have a blog or a thread on here? Would love to follow the progress of your build --- Re: Timber Bi-folds doors flush with floor (no sill) 20Dec 09, 2013 9:19 pm Hi pabs, good pics, except it's not fully flush - I'm after more the seamless look from in to out.. I've just gotten advice from a friend that it might be worth getting the builder to draw the detail around how they propose to execute it, apparently some builders might charge $100 extra to draw, but worth every dollar to ensure it's spot on. --- Okay, then the choice is really about the build quality of the door itself which means the brand name. Sorry I can't recommend one or the other so best to rely on comments… 5 3354 Hi there, looking to have a gym in a new build. Planning to install some sort of rubber mat flooring (on concrete) i.e. Asking the builder to not do floorboards in the gym… 0 2093 Building Standards; Getting It Right! There doesn't look to be any rebate in the slab to prevent water from scooting under the window. AS4654 is the Australian standard to look at/refer to. They have… 1 10304 |