Browse Forums Windows & Doors Re: Double glazing worth the $$ in Perth? 22Dec 20, 2019 1:55 pm Sydney Double (and now Triple) Glazed Windows and Doors mob 0412 717 066 Sydney, Canberra, Newcastle, Wollongong www.doubleglazedwindows.net.au Re: Double glazing worth the $$ in Perth? 27Jan 15, 2020 12:27 pm Sydney Double (and now Triple) Glazed Windows and Doors mob 0412 717 066 Sydney, Canberra, Newcastle, Wollongong www.doubleglazedwindows.net.au Re: Double glazing worth the $$ in Perth? 31Jan 28, 2020 12:09 am ECOECO As I said in your other post... it starts with the price of your windows $26k upgrade cost is #@**!! for 70m2.. Thanks! Just for clarification, I used 70m2 only because it was used in the government's website where I picked up the formula from. After your response, I went and checked the actual m2, and it is much lower! The builders usually say from $26K for a 4x2 house of their existing plans, which is about 40 to 50m2 of glass (all windows and all sliding doors). Re: Double glazing worth the $$ in Perth? 32Jan 28, 2020 12:25 am Windowfactory Yes. You are clearly thorough and have an innate sense of justice - are you annoyed at the comment or feel the comment was unfair to you or unfair in general or it is false that double glazed windows can improve comfort, or they haven't improved comfort sufficiently for you? Yes, everyone knows there is always an opportunity cost, and there is more to life than just windows! Yes if you know how to invest you can always get a better return or even influence governments, after setting up a successful hedge fund! You can also spend this money by purchasing additional education, by 'investing' in your health which will extend your lifespan, you can give to charity and have the blessings of many people. You can buy a big TV, new clothes, nik naks - some items can reduce in price as a result of technology, trade and competition, and relative to earning capacity. Maybe double glazed windows should come with a warning: you could instead gamble/ drink/ smoke/ throw the money away - consider carefully what comfort means to you? The purpose of the post was to show actual electricity changes from someone who bothered to measure them. Sorry if you were annoyed or think its unfair. If even a few users find it annoying - happy to delete the comment/s.. Sorry, my response was a bit harsh. The reason being is that your post appears as a sales pitch — the ones where salesperson gives you an unverifiable, anecdotal story to make the product more attractive. You see, in your case, provided the story is legit, there are way too many other variables that could influence the cost of their electricity. Or the temperature difference measurements as well as the accuracy and validity of these measurements. As an expert in this field, I assumed you are aware of all that if you are not, then I have misunderstood the intention of your post, and I do apologise for it. BTW, if you have access and can share some (certified) lab tests, I'm all ears! Re: Double glazing worth the $$ in Perth? 33Jan 28, 2020 1:20 am Nannynap Just been reading the above posts and find the passion quite interesting. As the price in Perth seems ludicrous for double glazing it seems like a luxury but probably one I might still be interested in as: ludicrous is good way to describe prices in Perth. Nannynap Perth is getting a little bit more high density - noise is definitely more noticeable compared to the past years. So many bogans and ricers that want to show off how loud their car can sound. Noise benefits of double glazing are real if you look after the other noise leaks in your house. Completely agree with you on this one. Reduction, yes, but don't think you'll completely eliminate the low frequency noise. When my neighbours are having a party, the bass travels trough my double brick wall! Also, there are certain type of glass, such as Viridian ComfortHush, that are better at this than just plain glass and perhaps cheaper than DG. If you want to use technology, there are outdoor noise cancelation speakers that can be installed under the eaves. Nannynap Power prices are going to go up a lot - Government has shown they are pretty incompetent at managing how solar and the power network will coexist... even those will solar panels will get hit with something akin to rates or taxes in the near future if Government can't deal with the issue. Power prices would go up, so would the salaries. We can only judge by what we know today — paying tax for having solar panels? I just don't see that happening. From my point of view, our government is doing really well. No government is perfect, but they are just humans, after all. At least they kept us out of the financial crisis mess, unlike those super-smart European governments. You know, like the Spanish or Italian whose countries are at the brink of default. Perhaps because they spend too much on double glazing windows instead of other more important things... Nannynap Air conditioning systems still cost a lot to install/maintain/update I see Air conditioning as a necessity in Perth, so it is not that or DG. And from experience, I have seen about zero maintenance cost for the first ten years unless you pay someone to clean the filters for you. Nannynap Doesn't matter if you talking about hot or cold climates, a tighter building seal has got to help. 100% agree. I fact, based on my calculations, hight end DG are about 90% more efficient than plain windows. The thing is that 90%, in my current house, only gives me about $400 savings a year. This means it'll take over 60 years to repay the windows and that is the whole point of this thread. Is it worth it? Now I see you may get good price and good on you for that! Perhaps ECOECO should open a branch in Perth. Nannynap Everyone talks about Perth having an outdoor lifestyle, but summer is very hot, winter is cold and super windy... the outdoor lifestyle is a bit of a myth for 90% of the year so the logic that Perth doesn't benefit from a tight thermal seal makes no sense to me. 90% is a bit too high.. especially for people that were born in here. I have met quite a few that enjoy the outdoors on a 36℃ day! But then again, each person has a different tolerance to different temperatures. Took me years to adapt and tolerate mid-summer in Perth. Re: Double glazing worth the $$ in Perth? 34Sep 20, 2020 11:55 am Just an update, I went with one of the cheaper suppliers recommended above and it has been a real nightmare. They start with an A, end with an O. Problems with the window units themselves, problems with the installation, and they are super super slow. They have said things on multiple occasions, and never actually do them. Talk is cheap I guess. I honestly couldn't recommend them on any level. So based on experience, for Perth specifically, I would be recommending waiting until glazing industry improves itself through increased competition as building codes get more green in the coming years. Only my point of view I know, I am some others must have had good experiences with them. But I do wonder how many customers effectively get paid to keep their silence, meaning I am not sure you can trust things like google reviews etc... they seem very cherry picked. Re: Double glazing worth the $$ in Perth? 35Oct 14, 2020 10:27 pm Nannynap Just an update, I went with one of the cheaper suppliers recommended above and it has been a real nightmare. They start with an A, end with an O. Problems with the window units themselves, problems with the installation, and they are super super slow. They have said things on multiple occasions, and never actually do them. Talk is cheap I guess. I honestly couldn't recommend them on any level. So based on experience, for Perth specifically, I would be recommending waiting until glazing industry improves itself through increased competition as building codes get more green in the coming years. Only my point of view I know, I am some others must have had good experiences with them. But I do wonder how many customers effectively get paid to keep their silence, meaning I am not sure you can trust things like google reviews etc... they seem very cherry picked. I have received a quote from Michelle at Arco to put in 4 DG uPVC framed windows in our South facing side of the house (adjacent to an arterial route that can get noisy). Came in at $7400 for approx 9.5m2. They are very busy, cannot install until Dec/Jan. Was your experience with them not very good? Re: Double glazing worth the $$ in Perth? 36Mar 28, 2021 4:17 am just a novice but we recently had our bathroom reno'd and opted to replace the window to a new uPVC double glazed unit. For context, the house was built in the late 90's and had cheap crappy aliminium single pane glass. I was keen to see how much difference it made, so I borrowed an infra-red camera from work (high quality FLIR unit) and used it on one of the 40 degree days in Feb. The new DG window was 35.6 degrees, while one of the old windows in the next room (same external wall) was 39.1 degrees. We've upgrade the insulation, air-con and have added solar, so keen to replace a few more of the windows. Re: Double glazing worth the $$ in Perth? 37Mar 28, 2021 3:51 pm suburbanurbanexplorer just a novice but we recently had our bathroom reno'd and opted to replace the window to a new uPVC double glazed unit. For context, the house was built in the late 90's and had cheap crappy aliminium single pane glass. I was keen to see how much difference it made, so I borrowed an infra-red camera from work (high quality FLIR unit) and used it on one of the 40 degree days in Feb. The new DG window was 35.6 degrees, while one of the old windows in the next room (same external wall) was 39.1 degrees. We've upgrade the insulation, air-con and have added solar, so keen to replace a few more of the windows. Was that window getting some direct sunlight, or covered fully by eaves? Re: Double glazing worth the $$ in Perth? 38Mar 28, 2021 4:00 pm Nannynap Was that window getting some direct sunlight, or covered fully by eaves? There are eaves, Re: Double glazing worth the $$ in Perth? 39Mar 28, 2021 9:11 pm suburbanurbanexplorer just a novice but we recently had our bathroom reno'd and opted to replace the window to a new uPVC double glazed unit. For context, the house was built in the late 90's and had cheap crappy aliminium single pane glass. I was keen to see how much difference it made, so I borrowed an infra-red camera from work (high quality FLIR unit) and used it on one of the 40 degree days in Feb. The new DG window was 35.6 degrees, while one of the old windows in the next room (same external wall) was 39.1 degrees. We've upgrade the insulation, air-con and have added solar, so keen to replace a few more of the windows. You do realize this is not a scientific way of measuring the performance of a window in a particular climate zone? And even further from evaluating if it's worth the money. For isntance, we don't have 40℃ 24 hours- 365 days. Also, you are comparing one of the worse with one of the best, there is a lot in between. Re: Double glazing worth the $$ in Perth? 40Mar 28, 2021 11:00 pm perth97 suburbanurbanexplorer just a novice but we recently had our bathroom reno'd and opted to replace the window to a new uPVC double glazed unit. For context, the house was built in the late 90's and had cheap crappy aliminium single pane glass. I was keen to see how much difference it made, so I borrowed an infra-red camera from work (high quality FLIR unit) and used it on one of the 40 degree days in Feb. The new DG window was 35.6 degrees, while one of the old windows in the next room (same external wall) was 39.1 degrees. We've upgrade the insulation, air-con and have added solar, so keen to replace a few more of the windows. You do realize this is not a scientific way of measuring the performance of a window in a particular climate zone? And even further from evaluating if it's worth the money. For isntance, we don't have 40℃ 24 hours- 365 days. Also, you are comparing one of the worse with one of the best, there is a lot in between. Of course I realise its not a particularly scientific way of measuring the performance of a window hence the word novice being the THIRD word in my post and never suggested otherwise. I disagree with your reasoning about not having 40 degree days 24x7 - they are exactly the days im trying to make more comfortable. This is one of the reasons I decided to go overseas for my double glazed windows. As the builder indicated, he's worked on many upmarket builds, these were the most well… 13 19081 For your reference Performance Labels: Window assemblies in housing, except timber windows, must be labelled so the label can be seen when it is in situ. For timber… 6 7681 In fairness nobody gave a crap about the ACCC and the gag clauses continued in the pro forma templates of a few other builders after the ACCC took on Wisdom, and more… 19 73284 |