Browse Forums Windows & Doors 1 Aug 13, 2008 11:55 am I'm now quite confused :!: Windowexpert says that PVC window extrusions for Oz have to be made from a stiffer PVC mix than those from Europe, because of the higher temps. Other people tell me that they have to be more UV resistant, otherwise they'll crumble to dust in a few years. Any experts on PVC out there who could confirm or deny any of that ?? Do the local PVC windows suppliers use a different PVC mix for their frames than the ones in Europe ??
Chris My father rode a camel, I drive a car, my son flies in a jetliner, his son will ride a camel.Saudi saying Re: uPVC for Australian windows ?? 2Aug 13, 2008 12:29 pm Hi Chris,
The mixture for "hot countries" is not more stiff than other (the term stiff must come from your correspondance with the Polish crowd??) it contains a higher amount of titanium oxide which is responsible for UV stabilization. A good PVCu profile is also lead free these days... Re: uPVC for Australian windows ?? 3Aug 13, 2008 2:12 pm Thanks Windowexpert,
You deliver the goods, as always. Quote: the term stiff must come from your correspondance with the Polish crowd?? Chris My father rode a camel, I drive a car, my son flies in a jetliner, his son will ride a camel.Saudi saying Re: uPVC for Australian windows ?? 4Aug 15, 2008 5:59 pm I've talked to a very nice lady from the Vinyl Council of Australia, who went out of her way to answer my questions. She told me that as far as she knows, the vinyl mix for Aussie windows, has to contain more UV protection stuff, Titanium Oxide, 6 to 8 parts/million. That's to protect it from discoloration. She said that she wasn't aware of any strength loss in an unprotected vinyl and told me to talk to Australian WIndows Association. They were far less forthcoming and didn't bother to talk to me or send me an e-mail.
BTW, all uPVC extrusions for windows are imported, none's manufactured here. Chris My father rode a camel, I drive a car, my son flies in a jetliner, his son will ride a camel.Saudi saying Re: uPVC for Australian windows ?? 5Aug 18, 2008 10:22 pm And now I'm really confused !!! I got reply from the Polish branch of the German PVC profiles producer. Their Technology Manager states that the greater UV protection is only needed for the dyed extrusions and that the white ones don't need any special mix. They make the tropical stuff too, but for places hotter and sunnier than the South-West of Oz. If it only were true, I'd save a few bob by ordering standard stuff......
Chris My father rode a camel, I drive a car, my son flies in a jetliner, his son will ride a camel.Saudi saying Re: uPVC for Australian windows ?? 6Aug 19, 2008 1:01 pm i am so interested in all of this! congrats on all of the hard legwork you have done. it makes me open my eyes to what is possible out there beyond the australian border and the idea of imports from overseas (obviously temaed with the research and communication you have conducted ) becomes increasingly more tantalising.
i hope for all interested parties it is true, and that you will be able to get your polish windows that will withstand aussie conditions. have you thought of asking the manufacturer what other countries they export to, so to compare weather climates? (i guess if they export to the middle east then there should be no problem in our climate with the pvc?!) just a though Re: uPVC for Australian windows ?? 7Aug 19, 2008 5:24 pm Hi Leah,
Thanks for the moral support . It was more of a fingerwork, on the keyboard, than legwork. I feel that by sharing the info I'm showing the others the way and perhaps, just perhaps, closing down the gap between Australia and the rest of the world, in some areas and solutions. I'll decide in the next week or two on the outside if to accept the Polish offer, I'm now waiting for the input from the structural engineer to get the final sizes for the windows. I'll keep all people here posted about the progress and the results. Quote: have you thought of asking the manufacturer what other countries they export to, Chris My father rode a camel, I drive a car, my son flies in a jetliner, his son will ride a camel.Saudi saying Re: uPVC for Australian windows ?? 8Aug 20, 2008 6:25 pm Not a problem And i'm sure i'm not alone in learning and benefiting from your ability to think out of the square.
Good luck once again, can't wait to here the final result (after all that fingerwork... ) Re: uPVC for Australian windows ?? 9Aug 20, 2008 6:56 pm I'm very suspicious of all this "special formula X" blather. Sounds like local supplier doubletalk to make people frightened of importing.
May be you could find some specs on some US windows ? Their conditions in a lot of areas are similar to Aus. Do the hard jobs first. The easy jobs will take care of themselves. - Dale Carnegie Re: uPVC for Australian windows ?? 10Aug 24, 2008 9:17 pm Bit of an intersting read here.
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/klu/jmsc/1997/00000032/00000009/00175239 http://www.timesfiber.com/pdfs/Technical%20Notes/1054-tn.pdf http[url]://www.pweagleinc.com/literature/tb/tb-d9.pdf[/url] http://www.ppfahome.org/pvc/faqpvc.html Steve Re: uPVC for Australian windows ?? 11Oct 02, 2008 12:34 am Here's an update for this thread and https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=7350. I wrote in August that I'm about to request quotes from the 3 Polish uPVC windows producers I've shortlisted. I've done it only today, by sending them the final plans and specs. The delay was caused by the slippages at architect's, structural engineer's and frame supplier's. I didn't want to rush things and I checked every angle of the windows construction and installation at least twice. I hope that I'll get 3 quotes, will be able to choose one and order in the near future.
Chris My father rode a camel, I drive a car, my son flies in a jetliner, his son will ride a camel.Saudi saying Re: uPVC for Australian windows ?? 12Oct 02, 2008 8:38 am Good luck Chris, I'll be watching what happens with interest. Hopefully after all the hard work you've done, at least one of these companies will offer a financially viable option.
Jo I leave you to fend for yourself, figure things out yourself. Terrence Malick windows 13Oct 02, 2008 9:18 am Fingers crossed the pricing swings in your favour Chris.
Our Architect seems to be dragging his feet a bit also and I am itching to get windows etc sorted also. Cheers Michael He wants a dream home theatre - she wants a dream kitchen! Re: uPVC for Australian windows ?? 14Oct 02, 2008 9:39 pm Kristow
You might as well get a quote from these guys. 3E uses them. See hydronic floor heating thread. http://www.qualital.com.au/ Steve Re: uPVC for Australian windows ?? 15Oct 02, 2008 11:33 pm Hi Steve,
Thanks for the link, will do! BTW, looks like double glazing is really about to take off in Oz Chris My father rode a camel, I drive a car, my son flies in a jetliner, his son will ride a camel.Saudi saying Re: uPVC for Australian windows ?? 16Oct 16, 2008 10:41 am An update for this thread and https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=7350.
I've received quotes from all 3 Polish suppliers, after solving some packaging problems. So far the quote from supplier no 2 is the best, his price is similar to nos 1 and 3, but for better 5 chamber profiles. All quotes are for approx 23,000 PLN, which is the Polish currency, not much different to what I was quoted while visiting there. Unfortunately, since then the Aussie dolar has fallen by 12.5% against PLN, so the cost in $A has risen from 11,500 to 13,200. Shipping is quoted at approx 1500 euros, again hit badly by the tanking $A. The total adds up to approx $16,200. With 10% GST and 5% customs duty it's $A18,200 for the double glazed, argon filled PVC windows for a 3 bed house. It's still only 1/2 of the locally quoted price. I'll decide shortly if we can afford the import in the current financial and forex conditions. Will keep you posted. Chris My father rode a camel, I drive a car, my son flies in a jetliner, his son will ride a camel.Saudi saying Re: uPVC for Australian windows ?? 17Nov 20, 2008 11:03 pm Final update. I'm just about to order my double glazed uPVC windows from Polish producer. Got the answers for most of the questions about sizes, thermal expansion, packaging and shipping. The producer I found is keen as mustard and helps with sorting out the shipping. The final quote is $A9400 for 36m2 of double glazed, Argon filled uPVC tilt and turn windows and patio doors. The price includes mozzie nets, window locks and under-the-ceiling hopper windows closing mechanism. Shipping will cost 1500 Euros, customs duty and GST (15%) $A1400. I estimate the total cost at approx $A13,810. The shipping outfits reckons on 4-6 weeks delivery time to Fremantle.
Chris My father rode a camel, I drive a car, my son flies in a jetliner, his son will ride a camel.Saudi saying Re: uPVC for Australian windows ?? 18Nov 21, 2008 1:35 am That's great news ! Maybe it'll get here in time to be your Christmas present (if anyone at the docks is working). Do the hard jobs first. The easy jobs will take care of themselves. - Dale Carnegie Re: uPVC for Australian windows ?? 19Nov 21, 2008 6:00 am Don't forget your fumigation certificate, your customs agent fees and local delivery from the port. You need a glazing certificate for your local council to get your certificate of occupancy. Then you must look at damage in transit and possible warranty issues. If you can, organise some spare hardware and glazing bead to come with your windows and make sure that the material is the highest UV stable.
I know someone who imported 2 kiddy quad bikes - looked identical to locally supplied these were$280 + freight & customs, local $450. Well he incurred port fees while he had to have an asbestos expert take out the brake pads at port, then the bikes only have rear brakes (unlike the local imports who specify eveything before they import) etc... We look after everything. http://cgi.ebay.com.au/uPVC-Double-Glaz ... dZViewItem "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: uPVC for Australian windows ?? 20Nov 21, 2008 10:50 am Hi EcoClassic,
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