Browse Forums Windows & Doors Re: Local double-glazing supplier 62Oct 27, 2008 1:37 pm u9026a DuckyQuackQuack Eco import the total window from China . This is the main reason for the extra 30% on non std sizes Are you serious? Is this the reason for the 10 week lead time I wonder? How do you know this for sure? How come they have a big factory at Hallam? Proof please! 1. I know the business owners 2. Ask them That is why standard sizes and steep mark up for off standard and lead time. The factory in Hallam is used to fix the timber reveals around the completed window. Never argue with an idiot!!!! They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. Re: Local double-glazing supplier 63Oct 27, 2008 1:39 pm Yak_Chat I think someone else is running it now - not 100% sure but thats what ive been told. Never argue with an idiot!!!! They drag you down to their level then beat you with experience. Re: Local double-glazing supplier 64Oct 31, 2008 6:34 am u9026a In the small print it stated that non-standard sizes would be +30%. So even though many of my windows were actually smaller than their standard sizes, I would still have to pay 30% more. I can only guess that they are buying in pre-made frames or something. Totally ridiculous. It costs every major window supplier more to make custom sizes - take glass up to 3 times the price in custom sizes versus block (quantity in single size). If you are not being charged more for custom sizes then you are probably being charged too much for the standard sizes. What would Ford charge for a 30mm shorter Falcon...? "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Local double-glazing supplier 65Oct 31, 2008 7:21 am Hi,
productions costs are the same whether you make standard or custom sized. The optimizer works generally better (less wastage) with different sizes produced at a time. If you import it is a different story. Not quite the same like a car which is made out of moulded ( and not cut to lengh!!) components and some 1000 bits and pieces Re: Local double-glazing supplier 66Oct 31, 2008 7:51 am windowexpert Hi, productions costs are the same whether you make standard or custom sized. The optimizer works generally better (less wastage) with different sizes produced at a time. If you import it is a different story. Not quite the same like a car which is made out of moulded ( and not cut to lengh!!) components and some 1000 bits and pieces Not quite right windowexpert - we are talking what you pay for materials not the cost of assembly by optimising useage. I guarantee if you buy block glass (multiples cut-to-size) then you pay around $5-$6 per sq.m. whereas if you buy (or cut) custom sizes you can pay 3 times that. This is especially so with toughened or double glazed units. I hope we are not confusing everyone... PM me if you need more details. Thanks "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Local double-glazing supplier 67Oct 31, 2008 12:18 pm EcoClassic windowexpert Hi, productions costs are the same whether you make standard or custom sized. The optimizer works generally better (less wastage) with different sizes produced at a time. If you import it is a different story. Not quite the same like a car which is made out of moulded ( and not cut to lengh!!) components and some 1000 bits and pieces Not quite right windowexpert - we are talking what you pay for materials not the cost of assembly by optimising useage. I guarantee if you buy block glass (multiples cut-to-size) then you pay around $5-$6 per sq.m. whereas if you buy (or cut) custom sizes you can pay 3 times that. This is especially so with toughened or double glazed units. I hope we are not confusing everyone... PM me if you need more details. Thanks EcoClassic, Somewhat unrelated, but how much more should you pay for toughened glass than normal glass, using the $5-$6 per sq.m as a startign guide. Cheers, Casa Demolition August 2009, Construction Started September 2009, Completed December 2010 Glass Prices 68Oct 31, 2008 1:39 pm Hi
Block toughened is about $1.50 /m2 more. Custom size toughened would be $20 + something. Both single glazed. Double glazed toughened would be far more of course. Double glazing costs a manufacturer anything between $30+ and $130 /m2 depending who is buying. Breakage allowances are high. "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Local double-glazing supplier 71Dec 07, 2008 8:28 pm EcoClassic It costs every major window supplier more to make custom sizes - take glass up to 3 times the price in custom sizes versus block (quantity in single size). If you are not being charged more for custom sizes then you are probably being charged too much for the standard sizes. What would Ford charge for a 30mm shorter Falcon...? A bit late in the day but why don't you import the raw material and make your own frames? Not everyone wants standard sizes. Jeez, compared with the UK this is really too hard, no wonder people give up. Re: Local double-glazing supplier 72Dec 07, 2008 8:43 pm u9026a EcoClassic It costs every major window supplier more to make custom sizes - take glass up to 3 times the price in custom sizes versus block (quantity in single size). If you are not being charged more for custom sizes then you are probably being charged too much for the standard sizes. What would Ford charge for a 30mm shorter Falcon...? A bit late in the day but why don't you import the raw material and make your own frames? Not everyone wants standard sizes. Jeez, compared with the UK this is really too hard, no wonder people give up. We do ... the price difference is to do with block glass prices versus cut-to-size and optimum extrusion lengths... same as the UK... I guess you gave up and came here "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Local double-glazing supplier 73Dec 07, 2008 10:02 pm Is it harder to fix a double glazed window when it gets broken? Can they replace the pane in situ or do they need to remove the frame? Can any glazier do it or does it need to be done by the original manufactuer? Re: Local double-glazing supplier 74Dec 08, 2008 6:46 am dymonite69 Is it harder to fix a double glazed window when it gets broken? Can they replace the pane in situ or do they need to remove the frame? Can any glazier do it or does it need to be done by the original manufactuer? Any glazier can do it on site, it's the same as single glazed replacement. Cost, say $100/m2 for the glass for made to measure, plus labour. They would order a double glazed panel from a manufacturer like Moens, might take 2-3 days. Very big glass may require a crane. Just as a note, you can't just put double glazed units into single glazed windows - the glazing rebate won't accommodate the thickness. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Local double-glazing supplier 75Dec 12, 2008 10:07 am EcoClassic We do ... the price difference is to do with block glass prices versus cut-to-size and optimum extrusion lengths... same as the UK... I guess you gave up and came here Oh, I see, sorry I thought that you imported the finished article from China (as was stated elsewhere in these forums). So you actually make all the windows in your factory at Hallam? So the 30% is because of glass? Hmmm, I never had any problems in the UK with getting any sized window, nobody ever charged me more because my window wasn't "standard". But then there is a slightly bigger market there I guess. I've watched guys make the sealed units there too, it amazed me how really easy it was, so it shouldn't be that expensive to replicate what I saw being done over there. I had to come here, I stole a loaf of bread when I was small! Re: Local double-glazing supplier 76Dec 12, 2008 11:17 am u9026a EcoClassic We do ... the price difference is to do with block glass prices versus cut-to-size and optimum extrusion lengths... same as the UK... I guess you gave up and came here Oh, I see, sorry I thought that you imported the finished article from China (as was stated elsewhere in these forums). So you actually make all the windows in your factory at Hallam? So the 30% is because of glass? Hmmm, I never had any problems in the UK with getting any sized window, nobody ever charged me more because my window wasn't "standard". But then there is a slightly bigger market there I guess. I've watched guys make the sealed units there too, it amazed me how really easy it was, so it shouldn't be that expensive to replicate what I saw being done over there. I had to come here, I stole a loaf of bread when I was small! Hello U... We manufacture here and overseas. Wind rated N4 and the best rated window in WERS!!! We have factories in China, true, as do Nokia. But it is our factories and our design. As I said, block glass (bulk one size) is at least half the cost of custom glass - everywhere in the world. If you are paying the same price for standard sizes and custom sizes then the reasons could be: -
2 The price of custom sizes is too low 3 The supplier doesn't know what they are doing 4 Competitive forces Double glazed units are made here too They use either custom glass or block glass - same impact on price. What part of the UK are you from? Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Local double-glazing supplier 77Dec 15, 2008 1:33 pm EcoClassic What part of the UK are you from? Ed From Devon in the South West. Thanks for the explanation. Yes I know Aus makes dg units, I bought some Everglaze widows about 15 years ago for my house in Burwood, Vic. They were a new company back then and most of the windows had to go back - wrong size, sash windows that didn't close properly, etc etc. Compared with the fabulous units I was used to getting in the UK it was a total nightmare. Hopefully the industry has improved since then! Re: Local double-glazing supplier 78Dec 15, 2008 2:22 pm Australia is behind in terms of windows, especially double glazed and PVC. That's behind in product, price and quality... I hope we can change that.
I am from Sunderland but lived for some time in St Marychurch and worked in Dartington... My eldest son was born in Torquay. I only stole half a loaf... Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Local double-glazing supplier 80Jan 14, 2009 4:44 am An alternative to double glazing ??
I don't think so Just an additional thing to make opening the windows very unpractical. I think 2 handles to open one window is already enough nonsense Must be another invention of the local ali gurus who still have no idea how to design and make properly performing windows with 21 st century hardware This is one of the reasons I decided to go overseas for my double glazed windows. As the builder indicated, he's worked on many upmarket builds, these were the most well… 13 19264 For your reference Performance Labels: Window assemblies in housing, except timber windows, must be labelled so the label can be seen when it is in situ. For timber… 6 7736 I’m in a similar position except I’m after sliding 3 stacking doors. I am on a second-story apartment of which the balcony would not adequately fit any bi-fold or… 5 16161 |