Browse Forums Windows & Doors 1 Mar 27, 2015 7:06 am I noted on the block that Keith wouldn't allow some if the contestants to put a window in their shower due to waterproofing and rust problems. However many of the display homes include windows in their showers. Does anyone have thoughts on this? If we build with Coral we will have a&l windows installed as that is their supplier. Don't know if quality makes a difference (although the Block uses Stegbar and I imagine that's pretty much top) Appreciate your thoughts M Y C U S T O M C O R A L B R O N T E 43 ...............Kitchen! 16 Nov 2016 https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=79581 Re: Windows in showers 2Mar 27, 2015 9:26 am When I got my windows, my chippy suggested that I do not use A&L for windows. He didn't fully explain what his reasons were, but I went for Bradnams windows for my OB. Just because some display homes might have windows in the shower, it does not mean it is a good idea. A display home will only be a display home for several years, and during that time the shower is never used. Water proofing only goes so far, and I doubt you could totally prevent water damage over the life of a house. I think the reason why some showers might have windows in them is for the 'wow' effect, and in display homes (and The Block), that's all that matters. Owner Building at Jimboomba Woods in Logan City Qld. Blog : http://bandlnewhomebuild.blogspot.com H1 thread : viewtopic.php?f=38&t=68283 . Re: Windows in showers 3Mar 27, 2015 11:00 am Yeah.. the right type of window would be ok... but then why would you want a window in a shower anyway... lol.. Paddington 29 @ Blue Horizon Estate (Lot 105, Wattleridge Crescent, North Kellyville) Our Build Progress Blog: http://light487.wordpress.com/ Re: Windows in showers 4Mar 27, 2015 12:42 pm We have a window in our shower, it's at head height though so maybe that makes a difference, also perhaps the water proofing issue is to do with the fact it's an apartment block? As for why, if we didn't we would have no natural light in our bathroom, same for most people I would think Our build thread: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=70984 Re: Windows in showers 5Mar 27, 2015 12:45 pm I thought the issue with the one on The Block was that it was already installed and openable so it was difficult to waterproof around it? Personally I wouldn't want one but I don't see why you can't really if it's done properly. ——— Sent from Tapatalk My build thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=76446 Jen (& Dave) Plantation Bronte, Ormeau Ridge, Gold Coast QLD 12/03/2015 - Commencement... 26/08/2015 - Handover! viewtopic.php?f=31&t=76446 Re: Windows in showers 6Mar 27, 2015 2:50 pm Thanks all. The configuration of our main bathroom means only one wall is external and it is the wall that will have our shower running along it... so whether it is head height or otherwise, it is still likely to get wet. I was considering making a big one a feature for natural light with frosted glazing (whatever the term is) as I am going for dark tiles and thought it may brighten up the bathroom M Y C U S T O M C O R A L B R O N T E 43 ...............Kitchen! 16 Nov 2016 https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=79581 Re: Windows in showers 7Mar 27, 2015 3:21 pm No possibility for a skylight? I guess it would be kind of expensive depending on the roof type. Paddington 29 @ Blue Horizon Estate (Lot 105, Wattleridge Crescent, North Kellyville) Our Build Progress Blog: http://light487.wordpress.com/ Re: Windows in showers 8Mar 27, 2015 3:35 pm Our builder didn't mention anything about waterproofing issues for our window Our build thread: https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=70984 Re: Windows in showers 9Mar 31, 2015 9:22 pm I don't watch the block because it is so unrealistic and dramatized. That aside, windows in showers are very common now days. They wont rust, they are made of powdercoated aluminium. All of your waterproofing angles are made of aluminium for this reason. Waterproofing them is also very easy Re: Windows in showers 10Mar 31, 2015 9:29 pm bpratt When I got my windows, my chippy suggested that I do not use A&L for windows. He didn't fully explain what his reasons were, but I went for Bradnams windows for my OB. . A&L windows use what they call an inline reveal system. What this effectively means is that there is a smaller up stand of aluminium on the inside. If you were to waterproof and tile the reveal the tile would sit higher than top of the track. It would be hard to finish, and also once tiled you wouldn't be able to pull the sliding panel out. A&L frame sizes are also different to every other manufacturer I've come across. They would have surely caught out every builder that has switched to them once they realise all their openings are too big. You will also notice standard blind sizes will not fit A&L windows without cutting them down Re: Windows in showers 11Apr 02, 2015 2:00 pm 33amc A&L windows use what they call an inline reveal system. What this effectively means is that there is a smaller up stand of aluminium on the inside. If you were to waterproof and tile the reveal the tile would sit higher than top of the track. It would be hard to finish, and also once tiled you wouldn't be able to pull the sliding panel out. A&L frame sizes are also different to every other manufacturer I've come across. They would have surely caught out every builder that has switched to them once they realise all their openings are too big. You will also notice standard blind sizes will not fit A&L windows without cutting them down We also have an inline reveal design, the reason is that it is far more energy efficient to have an inline reveal, but it also has a greater expanse of glass for a given window opening, and therefore more light. The byproduct of this is that the brick opening and timber frame openings are identical. If you want to run tiles into the window, it's generally accepted that you leave off the bottom reveal. The window sizes for inline reveals are generally made to brick openings, and the timber frame is wider by 20mm as a result. The builder is issued with a carpenter's window opening size schedule, nobody who can read gets caught out, and in any case if the opening were made for an offset reveal (the other type), then it's only a matter of packing the timber frame opening. Yes some standard blinds may not fit... Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Windows in showers 12Apr 02, 2015 6:56 pm Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅
Mmmm... this is an interesting topic. We have a wooden window in the shower - it is actually the only window the builder decided to put a wooden architrave around as well. So we can look forward to problems then, can we? Re: Windows in showers 13Apr 02, 2015 8:51 pm Yikes, That actually doesn't comply with the building code Re: Windows in showers 14Apr 02, 2015 8:58 pm ed @ ecoclassic 33amc A&L windows use what they call an inline reveal system. What this effectively means is that there is a smaller up stand of aluminium on the inside. If you were to waterproof and tile the reveal the tile would sit higher than top of the track. It would be hard to finish, and also once tiled you wouldn't be able to pull the sliding panel out. A&L frame sizes are also different to every other manufacturer I've come across. They would have surely caught out every builder that has switched to them once they realise all their openings are too big. You will also notice standard blind sizes will not fit A&L windows without cutting them down We also have an inline reveal design, the reason is that it is far more energy efficient to have an inline reveal, but it also has a greater expanse of glass for a given window opening, and therefore more light. The byproduct of this is that the brick opening and timber frame openings are identical. If you want to run tiles into the window, it's generally accepted that you leave off the bottom reveal. The window sizes for inline reveals are generally made to brick openings, and the timber frame is wider by 20mm as a result. The builder is issued with a carpenter's window opening size schedule, nobody who can read gets caught out, and in any case if the opening were made for an offset reveal (the other type), then it's only a matter of packing the timber frame opening. Yes some standard blinds may not fit... Ed What I mean about people getting caught out is that the supplier or builder or carpenter or frame manufacturer some where down the line aren't specifically told the windows being supplied for the said job are different to 99% of other windows or different to what every Tafe manual might have taught them. The first lot of different windows will catch someone out, trust me. As for the glass size, yes it's slightly wider, but it also means after you go an cut down all your blinds, people can still peek in because there is no overlap of blind with extrusion. The amount of extra light would be not much at all in the scheme of things Re: Windows in showers 16Apr 02, 2015 11:21 pm Liliana 33amc Yikes, That actually doesn't comply with the building code Really? What part of the building code? Can you point me in the general direction? The section is 3.8.1 Basically walls need to be water resistant to a height of 1800 within 1500 of the shower head. I wouldn't call that timber window water resistant unless it has been sealed with an epoxy and the appropriate sealant placed behind the architraves etc. The steam and moisture would deteriorate the existing coating very quickly Re: Windows in showers 17Apr 03, 2015 8:45 am Hi 33amc, Thanks for that reference. The photo is actually a bit deceptive because the distance from the floor to the bottom of the architrave is 1800mm exactly. 3.8.1 was actually used by the builder and designer to justify charging us a variation for extra tiling and waterproofing during the build as the designer had drawn up the specs for the front bathroom with the tiling extending only 900mm from the west corner. I'm sure that if they could have found some reg to charge us more to change the windows she had specified they would have done so. Re: Windows in showers 18Apr 05, 2015 11:51 am 33amc What I mean about people getting caught out is that the supplier or builder or carpenter or frame manufacturer some where down the line aren't specifically told the windows being supplied for the said job are different to 99% of other windows or different to what every Tafe manual might have taught them. The first lot of different windows will catch someone out, trust me. As for the glass size, yes it's slightly wider, but it also means after you go an cut down all your blinds, people can still peek in because there is no overlap of blind with extrusion. The amount of extra light would be not much at all in the scheme of things 99% of builders, frame manufacturers, and 100% of carpenters (in Vic anyway), know and understand inline reveals... A&L was, and probably still is, the largest single site window manufacturer in the Southern Hemisphere. Perhaps TAFEs need to catch up. When people don't know it's an inline reveal, they can make a mistake. There is an overlap for blinds, be it smaller. The amount of extra light is proportional to the saved energy... Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Windows in showers 19Apr 12, 2015 11:01 pm ed @ ecoclassic 33amc What I mean about people getting caught out is that the supplier or builder or carpenter or frame manufacturer some where down the line aren't specifically told the windows being supplied for the said job are different to 99% of other windows or different to what every Tafe manual might have taught them. The first lot of different windows will catch someone out, trust me. As for the glass size, yes it's slightly wider, but it also means after you go an cut down all your blinds, people can still peek in because there is no overlap of blind with extrusion. The amount of extra light would be not much at all in the scheme of things 99% of builders, frame manufacturers, and 100% of carpenters (in Vic anyway), know and understand inline reveals... A&L was, and probably still is, the largest single site window manufacturer in the Southern Hemisphere. Perhaps TAFEs need to catch up. When people don't know it's an inline reveal, they can make a mistake. There is an overlap for blinds, be it smaller. The amount of extra light is proportional to the saved energy... Ed You missed my point and Spoken like a true salesman. So you think extra light and heat is an advantage in the northern states? A&L might have the largest single site, I wouldn't know those stats, but that's fudging the point. There are still far more conventional windows made than inline reveals Re: Windows in showers 20Apr 13, 2015 10:48 am 33amc ed @ ecoclassic 99% of builders, frame manufacturers, and 100% of carpenters (in Vic anyway), know and understand inline reveals... A&L was, and probably still is, the largest single site window manufacturer in the Southern Hemisphere. Perhaps TAFEs need to catch up. When people don't know it's an inline reveal, they can make a mistake. There is an overlap for blinds, be it smaller. The amount of extra light is proportional to the saved energy... Ed You missed my point and Spoken like a true salesman. So you think extra light and heat is an advantage in the northern states? A&L might have the largest single site, I wouldn't know those stats, but that's fudging the point. There are still far more conventional windows made than inline reveals You will notice that I am not promoting anything, in fact A&L is nothing to do with me, just saying it like it is... so, salesman??? I am saying that the inline reveal is installed in most project builders' homes and many custom homes (especially in Vic)... it's not a difficult concept. It's out there and it is an alternative standard... All commercial windows do not have the offset reveal, but are installed inline with the wall opening. The extra light and insulation is welcome in all climate zones... if you want less light ( ???) you buy a smaller window. If you want less insulation, then leave the window open, or have single glazing. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 This is the current bathroom with a european laundry. Overall internal dimensions are 3.69 wide and 3.65m deep, including the footprint of the laundry. There is a toilet… 0 10298 Depends... Brick veneer required the window to be attached to the house frame, this is usually achieved by screwing through the timber reveal into the frame. There are… 1 7433 There is evidence of water on the head reveals. That could have happened during the build, or may be happening currently. There are water stains above a couple of windows… 2 3775 |