Browse Forums Windows & Doors 1 Nov 07, 2014 1:27 pm I've been thinking about window finishes and wondering if anyone has an opinion about the benefits of having a ceiling mounted track system (I'm thinking IKEA KVARTAL) or just normal curtain rods with a pelmet? The idea is to have sheers and blockouts for our stacking doors - we have 5 triple stacking doors. We'll probably do the same treatment in the bedrooms and home theatre too. I'm not a huge fan of the look of curtain rings or tab tops but like the practicality of them. Prefer the look of curtain hooks although they can be finicky (in my limited experience with poor quality versions). I like the look where the curtains go into the ceiling but unfortunately didn't think of that before we finalised our new house contract... Something like these http://www.ezyjamb.com.au/ezy-pelmet-the-flush-finish-recessed-window-pelmet.html The main reason for the pelmet is for heat loss/gain (winter/summer) but also due to aesthetics (hiding rings/tab tops) If anyone has any ideas of what options we should consider and why, I'd love to hear them. I'm currently leaning towards putting up the Kvartal system and doing a ceiling mount (although we can do wall mount too if needed) but if ceiling mounted do we need pelmets? Re: Ceiling track vs Pelmet system (Curtains) 2Nov 07, 2014 2:47 pm Anything that hides curtain/shade mechanisms like the one shown is good in my book. Built-in pelmets or bulkheads that do this are certainly not hard to do although your builder may charge you a pretty sum for it. As long as they aren't the cheap looking bolt on ones that a lot of people do after handover. Stewie Re: Ceiling track vs Pelmet system (Curtains) 3Nov 07, 2014 4:26 pm There are tracks available which attach directly to the ceiling (rather than the gap created by the ikea one), some very discrete and/or low profile tracks. I deal with to the trade only companies, they are good quality in respect if the glides that slide easily for opening and closing the curtains, plus come in much longer sections than the ikea one. To have these options the pricing would come in higher. If you are wanting practical for a functional curtain, tab tops do not fall into that category. Re: Ceiling track vs Pelmet system (Curtains) 4Nov 08, 2014 6:59 am Thanks Stewie and 4walls 4walls - Any ball park figures I can use for a track system or supplier I can talk to for household usage? Re: Ceiling track vs Pelmet system (Curtains) 5Nov 08, 2014 7:28 am Stewie do you think we can do the built in type after handover - one that looks good I mean Re: Ceiling track vs Pelmet system (Curtains) 6Nov 08, 2014 10:36 am yvonneh Thanks Stewie and 4walls 4walls - Any ball park figures I can use for a track system or supplier I can talk to for household usage? When I said 'to the trade', the tracks are suitable for residential applications, just these companies only sell to other businesses. Re: Ceiling track vs Pelmet system (Curtains) 7Nov 08, 2014 12:25 pm I've never understood how the ezypelmet, and others, work in 2.4m ceilings - you can't bring the ceiling lower so how can you have the edge inset, especially if there are beams there (almost guaranteed for gable roof on at least one of the four walls! Re: Ceiling track vs Pelmet system (Curtains) 8Nov 11, 2014 1:05 am I don't see why you couldn't have built in pelmets after handover, they seem to be a pretty simple sort of thing. Cost-wise, when we deleted a couple of ours, I think we get a refund of around 1k per pelmet. viewtopic.php?t=72683 Re: Ceiling track vs Pelmet system (Curtains) 9Nov 11, 2014 6:01 am Quote: I've never understood how the ezypelmet, and others, work in 2.4m ceilings - you can't bring the ceiling lower so how can you have the edge inset, especially if there are beams there (almost guaranteed for gable roof on at least one of the four walls! You'd have to work out which windows and doors you wanted these on before the builder even orders the frames and trusses. I'm unsure how much higher the Ezypelmet sits but it looks like 75-100mm or so. Any recessed ones we've done in the past have been around 150mm high and just simply boxed in at the framing stage. The top plate on the wall has to be raised that amount then the recessed framing for the pelmet is done and the ceiling suspended at the lower level. There is a fair bit of work goes into them - not rocket science but it does take a reasonable amount of time. Quote: Stewie do you think we can do the built in type after handover - one that looks good I mean This is your standard pelmet that is built in to look semi-concealed usually just 18mm mdf painted to match the walls/ceiling... If you continue the cornices around the outside it looks more built-in. The bigger the cornices the more built-in it looks. This one here is another way of doing it. The builder has run the ceiling all the way through to the outside wall then built a bulkhead all round the perimeter of the room to form the recessed pelmet and to allow for uplighting as well. Note there are no cornices and probably a P50 mould on the left and right hand sides to form a small recess in lieu of cornices and would suit a more modern home. The first photo is obviously for a more traditional home. Stewie Re: Ceiling track vs Pelmet system (Curtains) 10Nov 11, 2014 8:11 am Thanks Stewie. I'm assuming then, as I suspected, that it's not possible to retrofit them on some walls on 2.4m ceilings? I'm reno'ing and can see that I could fit them against the ceiling/wall divide when the walls are going in the same direction at the trusses, but I couldn't see any way on the other two walls to recess unless you cut away a bit of each of the truss beams (eek!). Rob Re: Ceiling track vs Pelmet system (Curtains) 11Nov 11, 2014 9:01 am Stewie your explanations are awesome. We're doing exactly what the second picture shows, bulkhead with shadowline in lieu of cornices. viewtopic.php?t=72683 Re: Ceiling track vs Pelmet system (Curtains) 12Nov 11, 2014 10:18 am Quote: I'm assuming then, as I suspected, that it's not possible to retrofit them on some walls on 2.4m ceilings? I'm reno'ing and can see that I could fit them against the ceiling/wall divide when the walls are going in the same direction at the trusses, but I couldn't see any way on the other two walls to recess unless you cut away a bit of each of the truss beams (eek!). No, you would have to do one of the former types where you have the ceiling running all the way to the outside wall then form either a bulkhead or pelmet to hide the curtain rod/mechanism. It just comes down to personal opinion as to what looks better. My choice if you were going for a more modern look would be to have a 120 -150mm high x 400mm wide bulkhead the width of the room only but that depends on your room layout and windows. I've seen a few places where people have done this but made them a little wider -600mm or so and installed a few downlights in the bulkhead which looked pretty good. Edit : I should have added that we have done a couple in apartments where we made them deeper to also mount the return air vent for air con. Stewie Re: Ceiling track vs Pelmet system (Curtains) 13Nov 26, 2014 8:36 pm Ok was just on another thread where s tracks (ceiling mounted) were used. Looks great! Are there thermal considerations or rather is it not as efficient as pelmets when ceiling mounted? Re: Ceiling track vs Pelmet system (Curtains) 14Nov 26, 2014 10:33 pm Only if there is a top on the pelmet to stop thermal movement http://i1212.photobucket.com/albums/cc455/stewiesno1/Energy_efficient_home_diagram_showing_effect_of_curtains_and_pelmets_on_warm_air_zpsd40aa5bb.jpg Stewie Re: Ceiling track vs Pelmet system (Curtains) 15Nov 27, 2014 5:31 am That's what I'm trying to ascertain as it's a ceiling mounted track. Do we just need to create a small side rail or is the ceiling/curtain top enough? Is a tiny gap going to be better than a big gap or does it not matter? Maybe it's just something we have you try out! As we can always add a strip of moulding or a small pelmet later Btw this is the post that looked like they were hidden in a recess until I looked in more detail http://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?p=1272083#p1272083 Re: Ceiling track vs Pelmet system (Curtains) 17Feb 27, 2015 3:37 pm Has anyone used something like the ezy pelmet? Not sure if it leaves enough room for the curtain track or not, but looks like a neat/easy to install alternative at ceiling installation stage. Would be good to hear from anyone who has specced similar in a newbuild. http://www.studcosystems.com.au/studco- ... views.html Re: Ceiling track vs Pelmet system (Curtains) 18May 04, 2015 6:54 am Has anyone ever asked one of the 'Homeworld' builders to assist with the recessed curtain tracks? I want them but I've already asked for so many random custom type alterations... Worried my Sales rep will run away if I ask! M Y C U S T O M C O R A L B R O N T E 43 ...............Kitchen! 16 Nov 2016 https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=79581 Our standard double-glazed window is tested to achieve, Rw 34, and can be glazed to suit Rw 39. The price is good too... 3 9472 have you used any of the motorised curtain systems available from Ebay? Which one and how is it? 0 2431 Once you know the basics, the rest is easy. 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