Browse Forums Windows & Doors Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 21Feb 10, 2014 10:46 am With your layout you could go for the pivot door then the screen mounted at the very front of your wall. You don't always have to have the screen door closed hiding the front door, but you would have to have it opening 180º back onto the front wall when open so you'd have to be careful that you don't obstruct the windows either side. During the day have the screen open so you can see the front door, at night have it closed with the front door open for ventilation and security. A slightly better solution is to push your front door further back into the entry so the screen door can open inwards. You would see a lot less of it during the day. A tricky one I grant you and one that we haven't resolved yet either. I did a render of our front door with the screen across it and it wasn't the best looking. Stewie Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 22Feb 10, 2014 11:24 am bpratt Saint Mike I guess you could try one of those concertina doors - very light screen. But - it may be a door you just can't leave open like this. We have an issue with our wooden stacker doors. Getting a good screen door when we have them open is not easy. Haven't seen those concertina screen doors you mention, but that might be an option. Leave them open when the front door is closed, to show off the front door, and pull them across as needed. If this doesn't work, I might as well save some money and not get a pivot door, but get a hinged door of the same 1200mm width. I haven't ordered the frame for the house yet, so I've still got options available to me as far as changing front door styles. I considered stacker doors from the kitchen/lounge area in to the alfresco, and the was the show stopper, I couldn't see any viable way to keep the bugs outside, so have gone for a sliding door instead. We look like we're going ahead - so give me a PM in a month and I can tell you how we went ... Ours won't be as strong as a security door - but is stronger than normal mesh. AND - will be able to keep bugs out. Seems to fit the bill. Works on a pulley/pressure type system. With locks on each one so as they can be held in any position. Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 23Feb 10, 2014 11:24 am Stewie D With your layout you could go for the pivot door then the screen mounted at the very front of your wall. You don't always have to have the screen door closed hiding the front door, but you would have to have it opening 180º back onto the front wall when open so you'd have to be careful that you don't obstruct the windows either side. During the day have the screen open so you can see the front door, at night have it closed with the front door open for ventilation and security. A slightly better solution is to push your front door further back into the entry so the screen door can open inwards. You would see a lot less of it during the day. A tricky one I grant you and one that we haven't resolved yet either. I did a render of our front door with the screen across it and it wasn't the best looking. I don't think I'd be able to move the front door any further back, as it would then need to have the slab altered, and therefore new engineers drawings done. However, having it so that the screen door can be swung back 180 degrees back on to the wall might be the go. We haven't got a very wide front verandah, just enough to shield the front of the house from the summer sun, but still get plenty of winter sun in to the house. I may be lucky, and be able to use the study and bedroom windows on the front to get sufficient air through the house on the not so hot days, so that we won't need to use the a/c much at all, and that way the big pivot door will remain visible, not blacked out by a screen door. Owner Building at Jimboomba Woods in Logan City Qld. Blog : http://bandlnewhomebuild.blogspot.com H1 thread : viewtopic.php?f=38&t=68283 . Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 24Feb 10, 2014 11:26 am See my post - you could have this set out from the front door - if you have a wall ? Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 25Feb 10, 2014 11:29 am Saint Mike We look like we're going ahead - so give me a PM in a month and I can tell you how we went ... Ours won't be as strong as a security door - but is stronger than normal mesh. AND - will be able to keep bugs out. Seems to fit the bill. Works on a pulley/pressure type system. With locks on each one so as they can be held in any position. Will be interesting to see how you get on with this. Whilst not as strong as a security door might not be as big a issue as one might think, because if anyone really wants to get in to your house, they will get in one way or another. It's not like you would be relying on it for securing your house when you go out shopping, but just to keep the bugs out when you are home. Owner Building at Jimboomba Woods in Logan City Qld. Blog : http://bandlnewhomebuild.blogspot.com H1 thread : viewtopic.php?f=38&t=68283 . Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 26Feb 10, 2014 1:06 pm Quote: I don't think I'd be able to move the front door any further back, as it would then need to have the slab altered, and therefore new engineers drawings done. Ah, I didn't realize you already had the slab down. That makes it a bit trickier. Quote: We haven't got a very wide front verandah, just enough to shield the front of the house from the summer sun, but still get plenty of winter sun in to the house. With north facing front doors I think shading from the sun is one aspect to consider but another is so that guests can have some cover when they ring the doorbell and are waiting for you to answer the door. Friends of ours have a sou'west facing entrance ( which is where all our wind and rain comes from ) and if you are standing there waiting on them opening the door you get soaked every time its raining. Just something else to consider ( like you don't have enough on your plate already ). Stewie Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 27Feb 10, 2014 3:57 pm Stewie D Quote: I don't think I'd be able to move the front door any further back, as it would then need to have the slab altered, and therefore new engineers drawings done. Ah, I didn't realize you already had the slab down. That makes it a bit trickier. Actually not yet, although we're hoping to get it done next week. Looking at moving it back would require new engineers drawings, and thinking about it unless I make a significant change, it probably isn't worth getting the engineers drawings changed. Quote: Quote: We haven't got a very wide front verandah, just enough to shield the front of the house from the summer sun, but still get plenty of winter sun in to the house. With north facing front doors I think shading from the sun is one aspect to consider but another is so that guests can have some cover when they ring the doorbell and are waiting for you to answer the door. Friends of ours have a sou'west facing entrance ( which is where all our wind and rain comes from ) and if you are standing there waiting on them opening the door you get soaked every time its raining. Fortunately the rain and storms come from the south west, so all they'd be copping is a bit of sun on their backs. In the middle of summer I believe only their lower legs would be in direct sunlight, unless they stood well away from the door. Somewhere in the distant future I'd like to put a deck out there looking out over the street and the hills in the distance that you can see by the elevation of the house on the block. Quote: Just something else to consider ( like you don't have enough on your plate already ). Always something to think about. We've barely started, and I know there's plenty more to come. Owner Building at Jimboomba Woods in Logan City Qld. Blog : http://bandlnewhomebuild.blogspot.com H1 thread : viewtopic.php?f=38&t=68283 . Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 28Mar 29, 2016 8:25 pm bpratt Thanks Stewie, looks like there's really only one option for a 1200mm wide door, and that's a pivot door. The cooling breeze is something that I'd really like to have, as it doesn't have any ongoing running costs that an a/c has, and on this block each time I've been there, it does have a nice afternoon breeze coming up the hill to it. As AussieMark has said, using the windows in the other rooms might be all we need to do to have sufficient breeze flowing through the house. I do hope that will work, as it would be a massive shame to hide the door behind a screen door. Hi, sorry to bother you but just wondering how you went with this. Just found out today we will have the same issue with our front door. I always have my front door open for cross ventilation so need a screen. Any help would be appreciated ... Mind you feeling a little nervous about our choice in door now eeeek Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 29Apr 11, 2016 8:26 am flossy17 Hi, sorry to bother you but just wondering how you went with this. Just found out today we will have the same issue with our front door. I always have my front door open for cross ventilation so need a screen. Any help would be appreciated ... Mind you feeling a little nervous about our choice in door now eeeek Still haven't got one for that door yet, but will eventually get one. I've seen one that you pull across in front of the pivot door that works like a blind, albeit pulled sideways across the door. It wasn't cheap though, from memory it was around $700. I saw them at the Brisbane Home Show over a year ago and lost their details since then. Don't be nervous about getting a pivot door, they are great. I see you're just down the road from us too. Owner Building at Jimboomba Woods in Logan City Qld. Blog : http://bandlnewhomebuild.blogspot.com H1 thread : viewtopic.php?f=38&t=68283 . Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 30Apr 11, 2016 10:53 am Yes After having a quick squiz at your posts I think I am just down the road lol I've worked out that it is a hinged door not a pivot ?? Still clueless though lol we are going to see how we go not opening the door for now ... Our Acreage Build viewtopic.php?f=31&t=82619 Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 31Apr 11, 2016 9:21 pm flossy17 Yes After having a quick squiz at your posts I think I am just down the road lol I've worked out that it is a hinged door not a pivot ?? Still clueless though lol we are going to see how we go not opening the door for now ... A hinged 1200mm door can have a standard 1200mm security door, a pivot door can not, hence the need to do something different. Owner Building at Jimboomba Woods in Logan City Qld. Blog : http://bandlnewhomebuild.blogspot.com H1 thread : viewtopic.php?f=38&t=68283 . Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 32Sep 15, 2016 5:47 pm Try to contact Jason Windows, maybe they will help you. Here http://jasonwindows.com.au/security-screens/security-screens-windows-perth/. Maybe they should answer your inquiry. Re: Pivot doors and flyscreen/security screen doors 33Sep 22, 2016 1:03 pm Pivot doors are gorgeous but screening them is a bit of a nightmare. Is there room to build out and enclose a retractable or pleated fly screen that won't interfere with the doorway not detract from it? Good luck with it. Cheers Marisa http://www.artilux.com.au Screens for Bi-fold, French and Stacker Doors. 30 years experience. 7 year warranty. Free on-site consultation (Sydney) You have no photo with your post. Best I can say is to remove an A&L flyscreen don't be afraid to distort the frame almost like a trapezium. 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