He will use one piece of glass just like your car windscreen. Except it will be difficult to clean and will be easily damaged.
Ed
Browse Forums Windows & Doors Re: Reasonable cost to upgrade to double glazing?[PRICE UPDA 41Jan 10, 2013 2:01 pm mtjiputra Thanks for the advice however I'm a bit confused, if my builder is telling me that they will be using two panels of glass pressed together isn't this not double glazing? He will use one piece of glass just like your car windscreen. Except it will be difficult to clean and will be easily damaged. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Reasonable cost to upgrade to double glazing?[PRICE UPDA 42Jan 10, 2013 2:05 pm Then I will be arguing this if only one sheet of glass is used as they promised two sheets. How is Low E glass installed in double glaze? Does this mean there will be 3 layers of glass? Re: Reasonable cost to upgrade to double glazing?[PRICE UPDA 43Jan 10, 2013 2:14 pm mtjiputra Then I will be arguing this if only one sheet of glass is used as they promised two sheets. How is Low E glass installed in double glaze? Does this mean there will be 3 layers of glass? ComfortPlus is 2 sheets of glass bonded to a plastic inter layer.. Just like your car windscreen - this is what I do not recommend without double glazing. It features a low-e coating on the outside of one side. Low-E in double glazing is generally not using laminated glass, just a coated single pane on one side and an uncoated pain on the other side with air in between. The coating is on the inside never needs cleaning. You are almost certainly not getting double glazing. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Reasonable cost to upgrade to double glazing?[PRICE UPDA 44Jan 10, 2013 2:21 pm Thanks Ed for the info will need to investigate further Re: Reasonable cost to upgrade to double glazing?[PRICE UPDA 45Jan 18, 2013 6:09 pm I saw this unusual idea for "double glazing". They use the windows you have - ie one layer, then go around the outside of the window frame with a metal strip - inside. Then, wait for it ... they cut the second piece of glass to measure and attach a magnetic strip to it - all around. This then attaches to the metal strip on the window frame. They have a suction type cup thing to remove the second sheet should you need to clean etc. It was clean, easy AND worked - ie cut noise and created the internal layer like normal DG. Cost was about 20% of the real thing. AND - the grip was amazing - it wouldn't fall out. Re: Reasonable cost to upgrade to double glazing?[PRICE UPDA 46Jan 20, 2013 11:57 am Saint Mike I saw this unusual idea for "double glazing"... Are you talking about magnetite? I've been reading a bit about that, and there's very mixed opinions about that product. It is also fairly expensive for what it is. Anyway, I'll give a short update on the original topic. As double glazing was insanely expensive, we decided the just go for laminated glazing for the stacker door and a couple of windows as a cheap alternative that couldn't hurt at least. We wanted laminated glass on the stacker door anyway, as it is quite exposed. As mentioned earlier, the price for the stacker door was $1400 for standard glazing and $2100 for the laminate (as according to the prices I got directly from Trend). The builder came back saying that Trend is quoting them $1100 for standard glazing (makes sense, they should have a discount) but $2800 for the laminated version.. absolutely ridiculous. Note that Eds prices above are significantly cheaper for even the double glazing. We've been going back and forth about this issues for I don't know how long (the builder must hate me by now ), but we have not been able to get anywhere. I've been trying to ask Trend directly too, but they are useless. Refuse to answer anything over phone and takes weeks to reply to emails (and even then I don't get answers to what I ask for). In the end, they needed to start the building process for the house, and we don't want to delay it, so we had to just approve it and pay whatever they are charging. Really bugs me though, but can't do anything about it. It looks like the builder removed their margin from the upgrade though from what I can tell, so that was nice. At least I've learned my lesson; if we ever build a house again, I'll make sure to get windows sorted before signing contract, including changing supplier or providing my own windows if needed. I will never deal with Trend windows again, that's for sure. Re: Reasonable cost to upgrade to double glazing? [PRICE UPD 47Mar 26, 2013 11:20 pm ed @ ecoclassic tompab Thanks for all the great info. I called window company, but they refused to give me any quote over the phone (even though I just wanted one on a single window to give me an idea of price difference between different configurations). They said they would get back to me next week with a quote.. For clarity for others who may be watching...
Stacker door 2.1m x 5.3m = $2420.00 Awning 1.2m x 1.8m = $476.00 ( 2 = $952) Total = $3,372. (Single glazed around $2,500)
Stacker door 2.1m x 5.3m = $3,608.00 Awning 1.2m x 1.8m = $377.00 ( 2 = $754) Total = $4,361.00 And that is $1,000 (almost 30%) more than the complete product from EcoClassic, and it is only to add an extra sheet of glass. Shop around. Ed I won't tell you what we were quoted in Perth for a set of doors roughly half the size - just too stupid to mention. Why don't you have a branch our here Ed? You'd do a storm of business! Re: Reasonable cost to upgrade to double glazing? [PRICE UPD 48Mar 27, 2013 7:52 am the_elliotts ed @ ecoclassic tompab Thanks for all the great info. I called window company, but they refused to give me any quote over the phone (even though I just wanted one on a single window to give me an idea of price difference between different configurations). They said they would get back to me next week with a quote.. For clarity for others who may be watching...
Stacker door 2.1m x 5.3m = $2420.00 Awning 1.2m x 1.8m = $476.00 ( 2 = $952) Total = $3,372. (Single glazed around $2,500)
Stacker door 2.1m x 5.3m = $3,608.00 Awning 1.2m x 1.8m = $377.00 ( 2 = $754) Total = $4,361.00 And that is $1,000 (almost 30%) more than the complete product from EcoClassic, and it is only to add an extra sheet of glass. Shop around. Ed I won't tell you what we were quoted in Perth for a set of doors roughly half the size - just too stupid to mention. Why don't you have a branch our here Ed? You'd do a storm of business! Need a business partner/franchisee... still looking. But you can import - from the East Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Reasonable cost to upgrade to double glazing? [PRICE UPD 49Mar 28, 2013 9:35 pm ed @ ecoclassic Need a business partner/franchisee... still looking. But you can import - from the East Ed Believe me, I would if I could find someone I trusted enough to install them, I wonder if my builder would do it for me? Hmmm, I'll need to ask him. Do you supply sub-frames for installation at construction time so the windows can be fitted later? Re: Reasonable cost to upgrade to double glazing?[PRICE UPDA 50Mar 29, 2013 3:19 am I am curious. In my part of canada we would not even consider anything less than double sealed glazing. Aluminum frames are rarely used any more because of thermal bridging. Vinyl frames are popular but have not heard them mentioned in Australia. Low E is becoming standard. My thought is that concerns are similiar in a cooling environment as in a heating one but I would like to hear other opinions. Ihave discussed some of this in my Blog http://boardsandbricks.com/windows/ I would like some input from hotter areas or even a guest post Email info@boardsandbricks.com Re: Reasonable cost to upgrade to double glazing?[PRICE UPDA 51Mar 29, 2013 8:01 am rckkrgrd I am curious. In my part of canada we would not even consider anything less than double sealed glazing. Aluminum frames are rarely used any more because of thermal bridging. Vinyl frames are popular but have not heard them mentioned in Australia. Low E is becoming standard. My thought is that concerns are similiar in a cooling environment as in a heating one but I would like to hear other opinions. Ihave discussed some of this in my Blog http://boardsandbricks.com/windows/ I would like some input from hotter areas or even a guest post Email info@boardsandbricks.com Hi Rick, Love your "about me" page. Here in Australia, we have both heating and cooling environments across our massive continent, the temperature differences (according to our Bureau or Meteorology) vary by up to 50 degrees in every state. Going from highs up in the 50s to lows, well below zero. Aluminium is popular here and is likely to remain so as we have put a lot of effort into designing thermally efficient frames... PVC less popular due to market inertia, and because the market demands a wide colour range with black dominating. More importantly, with the desire for large windows, and the fact that PVC expands by around 6mm for a 2 metre opening sash, PVC can have problems. Low-E glazing is just as important here, although it has been touted (incorrectly) for some years by the major glass manufacturers as the cheap ALTERNATIVE to double glazing. I expect your proximity to the USA means that the massive supply chain in North America keeps prices down there, sadly, here everything is more expensive. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Reasonable cost to upgrade to double glazing? [PRICE UPD 52Mar 29, 2013 8:08 am the_elliotts Do you supply sub-frames for installation at construction time so the windows can be fitted later? We don't have this system. I am familiar with the WA construction system. In the East, all windows have timber reveals (surrounds which are used to nail the window into the timber frame - this is single skin, brick veneer). There are builders in WA who build in brick veneer, but I know it is not popular. Thanks Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Reasonable cost to upgrade to double glazing?[PRICE UPDATE3] 53Mar 29, 2013 10:57 am Thanks Ed The prices usually are lower in the U.S. but not always so in Canada. We too have a massive country with low populations and vast distances for transportation. There is a lot of competition though with large U.S chains moving into many areas. I guess what I meant by heating versus a cooling environment is the number of days when they are required and the degree of need. Our temps fluctuate widely as well but for much of canada there are not that many days when cooling is required. Modern houses with good design work as efficiently for hot weather as cold and may not need air conditioning at all. Of course some areas can get much hotter and with much higher humidity than it does where I live in Alberta. Houses here are built to primarily to be energy efficient in the extreme cold that we can get (sometimes below -40 but often with long periods of well below freezing). This makes double glazing and low E a good investment with a rapid payback. It was a thought that this may be true if air conditioning costs were high as well. Of course the economics in your country could be totally different and I am mostly ignorant in that respect but am interested in learning more Re: Reasonable cost to upgrade to double glazing?[PRICE UPDA 54Apr 02, 2013 12:08 pm Hi folks, not sure if this is the best place to be putting this question but here goes. I have been offered 22 second hand fridge doors - identical and less than 5 yrs old. I have a vison of building my own home out of recycled timber etc in the next few years but need to do it as cheap as possible. It will most likely be in SE Qld in the country areas. Do you know if I can use them legally or even if it would be worth it? CLEAR SAFETY GLASS DOUBLE GLAZED PANELS 1495*585mm THE MAKE UP IS 3MM TOUGHENED SAFETY GLASS - 17MM AIR GAP - 3MM TOUGHENED SAFETY GLASS TOTAL 23MM THICK. EDGE SEALED WITH BUTYLENE. GREAT INSULATION PROPERTIES VERY LOW TRANSFER OF TEMPERATURE AND SOUND. THESE PANELS ARE SECOND HAND FRIDGE DOOR PANELS, Re: Reasonable cost to upgrade to double glazing?[PRICE UPDA 55Apr 02, 2013 4:29 pm adamhunt1 Hi folks, not sure if this is the best place to be putting this question but here goes. I have been offered 22 second hand fridge doors - identical and less than 5 yrs old. I have a vison of building my own home out of recycled timber etc in the next few years but need to do it as cheap as possible. It will most likely be in SE Qld in the country areas. Do you know if I can use them legally or even if it would be worth it? CLEAR SAFETY GLASS DOUBLE GLAZED PANELS 1495*585mm THE MAKE UP IS 3MM TOUGHENED SAFETY GLASS - 17MM AIR GAP - 3MM TOUGHENED SAFETY GLASS TOTAL 23MM THICK. EDGE SEALED WITH BUTYLENE. GREAT INSULATION PROPERTIES VERY LOW TRANSFER OF TEMPERATURE AND SOUND. THESE PANELS ARE SECOND HAND FRIDGE DOOR PANELS, Hmmm I think I saw these on eBay... 3mm is very thin... make sure they are toughened, even break one if you need to. My guess is equivalent cost would be say $100 each. Sound stopping would be just OK. Thermal slightly better. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 This is one of the reasons I decided to go overseas for my double glazed windows. As the builder indicated, he's worked on many upmarket builds, these were the most well… 13 15091 Seems good to me. I've been told $4-5k/sqm is reasonable in Perth. 2 7802 Hi Kristy Around $1.7-1.8m or around $4,600/sqm. if you PM me your email I will send you a break up in a spreadsheet so you can get an understanding of the costs for… 1 448 |