Browse Forums Windows & Doors 1 Nov 02, 2011 9:05 am Hi all, we are building a house with porter davis and currently nearing lock-up. I noticed something very odd today and was wondering if someone could please shed some light on it; While bricking, two of the window frames have been pushed inwards I'm a bit concerned about this and not sure if we should be alarmed. Surely the supervisor will get it fixed, but would it affect the sturdiness of these windows in the long run ? Also, most of the window frames through the house have just two nails on each side (without any packing) to fix them against the timber studs. Is this a standard practice? 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Ed will be the man to guide you there, I'm no window expert but can see when something is not straight. You could call it 'The Crooked House' and charge admission, people would be in awe! Good luck! Re: Fixing windows to house frame - what's the standard? 4Nov 02, 2011 11:43 am HappyCamper_au Whoever thought they were straight must have had a night on the turps!!! Was the brickies name 'Freddy'...as in Blind Freddy?? Ed will be the man to guide you there, I'm no window expert but can see when something is not straight. You could call it 'The Crooked House' and charge admission, people would be in awe! Good luck! And needs support under the mullion on your 1800 wide window... it is already sagging. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Fixing windows to house frame - what's the standard? 5Nov 02, 2011 9:16 pm ed @ ecoclassic You have problems... I think they can fix the windows by moving them back into position and then nailing home, but they won't have the packers . Read my sticky post "What's wrong with my windows..." viewtopic.php?f=23&t=47074 Ed Hi Ed, thanks a lot for your reply.. There are packers beneath the window reveal but not on the sides. Is it mandatory for the packing to be present on the sides of the reveal and are there any standards that dictate how this is to be done ? I'm just trying to get as much info as possible before I email the builder.. Re: Fixing windows to house frame - what's the standard? 6Nov 03, 2011 10:14 am baronx ed @ ecoclassic You have problems... I think they can fix the windows by moving them back into position and then nailing home, but they won't have the packers . Read my sticky post "What's wrong with my windows..." viewtopic.php?f=23&t=47074 Ed Hi Ed, thanks a lot for your reply.. There are packers beneath the window reveal but not on the sides. Is it mandatory for the packing to be present on the sides of the reveal and are there any standards that dictate how this is to be done ? I'm just trying to get as much info as possible before I email the builder.. Hi Not much is mandatory in building until someone is hurt or it fails. The standard work practice is to pack windows, for strength and alignment. Your window supplier will specify packers, and I doubt he will guarantee his product unless his procedure is followed. Check your suppliers website, give him a call... The greatest damage in tropical cyclone Yasi in Queensland was caused by poor window installation which caused the whole window to fall out. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Fixing windows to house frame - what's the standard? 7Nov 03, 2011 12:44 pm ed @ ecoclassic Hi Not much is mandatory in building until someone is hurt or it fails. The standard work practice is to pack windows, for strength and alignment. Your window supplier will specify packers, and I doubt he will guarantee his product unless his procedure is followed. Check your suppliers website, give him a call... The greatest damage in tropical cyclone Yasi in Queensland was caused by poor window installation which caused the whole window to fall out. Ed Yes, I read the report and it's appalling to see how the whole window frames fell with the glass still intact. Hopefully PD will install the windows as recommended by the supplier, from memory it’s “southern star windows” .. I’ll give them a call to double-check. I discussed this with the building inspector we’re using and he suggested that the window reveals haven’t been properly fixed yet and will probably be nailed in properly when the architraves are installed. This gives the builder room to move the window reveal if required. EDIT: Found this link on their website: http://www.southernstarwindows.com.au/InstallationInstructions.aspx Will go to the site this weekend to check if the instructions were followed to install the windows/doors. Thanks again Ed.. Re: Fixing windows to house frame - what's the standard? 8Nov 03, 2011 5:09 pm baronx ed @ ecoclassic Hi Not much is mandatory in building until someone is hurt or it fails. The standard work practice is to pack windows, for strength and alignment. Your window supplier will specify packers, and I doubt he will guarantee his product unless his procedure is followed. Check your suppliers website, give him a call... The greatest damage in tropical cyclone Yasi in Queensland was caused by poor window installation which caused the whole window to fall out. Ed Yes, I read the report and it's appalling to see how the whole window frames fell with the glass still intact. Hopefully PD will install the windows as recommended by the supplier, from memory it’s “southern star windows” .. I’ll give them a call to double-check. I discussed this with the building inspector we’re using and he suggested that the window reveals haven’t been properly fixed yet and will probably be nailed in properly when the architraves are installed. This gives the builder room to move the window reveal if required. Hi The architraves are not there to hold the window in place, that's what the nails through the jamb reveals into the timber house frame are for, and that is done when the window is first installed - prior to bricking and before plaster. Besides, you don't want the windows moved after installation as it will mean the sashes and door panels won't be true, and are likely to bind. You need your windows firmly nailed home through the reveals into the timber house frame - they have not done that properly, and when they do, make sure the sashes and doors all operate. You cannot rely on nails through the architrave to hold a window. And there is no need to move the window reveal after installation but sometimes the brickies lever windows to suit brickwork - and they should not do that for the same reason as above, they can make the sashes and door panels bind. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 This is 100% true. You can not hang anything on steel frames. very frustrating 8 8014 I'll look into different shower heads and ask the plumber about some engineering and see what he says. Thanks 2 9563 Plumbers 'can be' plumbers, made all the worse by self certification which the building surveyor invariably accepts as proof of compliance! The good thing is that you know know. 3 4859 |