Browse Forums Windows & Doors 1 Apr 24, 2011 2:44 pm Hi everyone, We are trying to get a custom house built and are talking to some of the project builders that will do custom designs. The only builder in our price range is JGKing and they can do most of the things we want but a potential deal breaker for us is that they use their own supplier for the double glazed windows and can only do awnings windows. Our design has a lot of glass so double glazing is essential. We can probably live with awning windows but they are unable to do double glazed sliding doors which is a big problem since we have 6 lots of sliding doors, each up to 3.5 meters wide and 2 meter high (just roughly). Trying to work out if we can change the windows after hand over but that sounds like an expensive and messy idea.... Any ideas or suggestions greatly appreciated.... Re: Double glazing with project builder 2Apr 27, 2011 3:31 pm I think you need to remember that sliding door have much thicker glass than windows first off. Maybe look for Ed@EcoClassic in the forum and send him a PM. As for changing after handover, I think it would be better/easier to not have them put in at all. Re: Double glazing with project builder 3Apr 27, 2011 4:13 pm [quote="felicity1324"]Hi everyone, We are trying to get a custom house built and are talking to some of the project builders that will do custom designs. The only builder in our price range is JGKing and they can do most of the things we want but a potential deal breaker for us is that they use their own supplier for the double glazed windows and can only do awnings windows. Our design has a lot of glass so double glazing is essential. We can probably live with awning windows but they are unable to do double glazed sliding doors which is a big problem since we have 6 lots of sliding doors, each up to 3.5 meters wide and 2 meter high (just roughly). Trying to work out if we can change the windows after hand over but that sounds like an expensive and messy idea.... Any ideas or suggestions greatly appreciated....[/quote] Hi felicity, You can get double glazed sliding doors, no problem at all! Yes, the windows must be awning windows ( fortunately I prefer the awning type), I don't know why this is either? Out windows and doors were supplied by A&L... http://www.aldoubleglazedwindows.com.au/ I agree with you that after handover it would be messy. Our house is modestly sized, only 9 windows and 2sliding doors, it still was approx 3k, or there a bouts...I'd have to dig out the contract to get the exact price for you. Hope this helps Pos Re: Double glazing with project builder 4Apr 27, 2011 6:35 pm chrisandkate I think you need to remember that sliding door have much thicker glass than windows first off. Maybe look for Ed@EcoClassic in the forum and send him a PM. As for changing after handover, I think it would be better/easier to not have them put in at all. Thanks C&K. Almost all competitor windows and doors are designed for single glazing... so they often won't double glaze the doors as this makes them heavy and prone to damaging the rollers. Our doors an windows are designed from scratch to be double glazed, we double glaze every product. I agree, ask JGK to leave the doors out, and source elsewhere. Ed EDIT - I see he/she says they are in Brisbane... "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Double glazing with project builder 5Apr 27, 2011 7:54 pm [quote="ed @ ecoclassic"]"chrisandkate" wrote: I think you need to remember that sliding door have much thicker glass than windows first off. Maybe look for Ed@EcoClassic in the forum and send him a PM. As for changing after handover, I think it would be better/easier to not have them put in at all. Thanks C&K. Almost all competitor windows and doors are designed for single glazing... so they often won't double glaze the doors as this makes them heavy and prone to damaging the rollers. Our doors an windows are designed from scratch to be double glazed, we double glaze every product. I agree, ask JGK to leave the doors out, and source elsewhere. Ed EDIT - I see he/she says they are in Brisbane...[/quote] Hi Ed@ecoclassic Two questions : are you saying that the doors I got will cause trouble in the future? How quickly will these rollers wear out? Why are double glazed windows always awning? Ok, it was three questions....but I'd like to clarify Re: Double glazing with project builder 6Apr 27, 2011 9:57 pm Pos Hi Ed@ecoclassic Two questions : are you saying that the doors I got will cause trouble in the future? How quickly will these rollers wear out? Why are double glazed windows always awning? Ok, it was three questions....but I'd like to clarify Hi I am sure your doors are guaranteed. We use metal rollers most use plastic, they are replaceable. Sliding windows are poor for energy efficiency anyway, due to the high air infiltration via the weep holes and the tracks. Awnings seal well. It's a fallacy that sliders are better for ventilation as air movement is caused by pressure differences - air will find its way through any gap, no matter what shape or size. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Double glazing with project builder 7Apr 27, 2011 10:29 pm Thank you ed I will know what to look out for regarding the doors Thankfully the awning question has been answered, I remember asking the liasion chick when looking over our contract, but she was a chick, she didn't meet many clients who requested DG and she had no idea! Mad! I can't believe so many people build with single glazing, but I AM from the northern hemisphere Re: Double glazing with project builder 8Apr 28, 2011 3:57 am felicity1324 Hi everyone, We are trying to get a custom house built and are talking to some of the project builders that will do custom designs. The only builder in our price range is JGKing and they can do most of the things we want but a potential deal breaker for us is that they use their own supplier for the double glazed windows and can only do awnings windows. Our design has a lot of glass so double glazing is essential. We can probably live with awning windows but they are unable to do double glazed sliding doors which is a big problem since we have 6 lots of sliding doors, each up to 3.5 meters wide and 2 meter high (just roughly). Trying to work out if we can change the windows after hand over but that sounds like an expensive and messy idea.... Any ideas or suggestions greatly appreciated.... Use your own supplier and remind them who is paying for it and who is the boss Large building companies seem to be in need of reminders of that. Our customer experience that all the time. Change is what we need! Can we? YES WE CAN!!!!! Re: Double glazing with project builder 9Apr 28, 2011 7:55 am windowexpert Use your own supplier and remind them who is paying for it and who is the boss Large building companies seem to be in need of reminders of that. Our customer experience that all the time. Just about impossible - they will say "NO"... ED "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Double glazing with project builder 10Apr 28, 2011 9:32 am ed @ ecoclassic windowexpert Use your own supplier and remind them who is paying for it and who is the boss Large building companies seem to be in need of reminders of that. Our customer experience that all the time. Just about impossible - they will say "NO"... ED Hi Ed, Over here they wouldn't dare unless you ask the impossible. They are desperate for work. Change is what we need! Can we? YES WE CAN!!!!! Re: Double glazing with project builder 11Apr 28, 2011 10:02 am ed @ ecoclassic windowexpert Use your own supplier and remind them who is paying for it and who is the boss Large building companies seem to be in need of reminders of that. Our customer experience that all the time. Just about impossible - they will say "NO"... ED Thanks everone for the comments... Unfortunately I think Ed is right... in fact they were really clear that we would have to use all their suppliers and wouldn't quote on our design unless we understood that.... I did notice the other day when we were walking through the Burbank Ascent (7 star and double glazed) that the windows were from EcoClassic... Nice looking windows especially in the black... So we have sent our designs to EcoClassic for a quote on the windows as I am still hoping we can somehow find a custom builder we can afford... Have to go, have a meeting with our designer to see if we can cut enough out of the design to get it into budget... fingers-crossed but it isn't looking hopeful... Re: Double glazing with project builder 12Apr 28, 2011 10:52 am felicity1324 ed @ ecoclassic windowexpert Use your own supplier and remind them who is paying for it and who is the boss Large building companies seem to be in need of reminders of that. Our customer experience that all the time. Just about impossible - they will say "NO"... ED Thanks everone for the comments... Unfortunately I think Ed is right... in fact they were really clear that we would have to use all their suppliers and wouldn't quote on our design unless we understood that.... I did notice the other day when we were walking through the Burbank Ascent (7 star and double glazed) that the windows were from EcoClassic... Nice looking windows especially in the black... So we have sent our designs to EcoClassic for a quote on the windows as I am still hoping we can somehow find a custom builder we can afford... Have to go, have a meeting with our designer to see if we can cut enough out of the design to get it into budget... fingers-crossed but it isn't looking hopeful... Hi Thanks for the opportunity. Let me know which builder you choose and I will try... I know most of the big guys personally, which is how I know they mostly say no... Thanks Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Double glazing with project builder 13May 30, 2011 3:26 pm Re: Double glazing with project builder 14May 30, 2011 11:10 pm ourhome Hi Ed, Today morning I got up to see two of my windows looking like this. It is afternoon right now and still the windows are the same. Can you let me know what could be wrong. The windows are ecoclassic windows. I already replied to your PM... send me your details. Thanks Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Double glazing with project builder 16May 31, 2011 10:49 pm ourhome Thanks a lot Ed. Welcome... I think we got the Burbank report today. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Double glazing with project builder 17Jun 12, 2011 7:57 pm Although DG will help reduce heat loss, the first thing to do is minimise excessive amounts of glazing. Do you really need large panes - even a modest reduction makes a big difference to heat loss. Even a triple glaze window will lose more heat than a well insulated wall. Windows are expensive. Walls aren't. Re: Double glazing with project builder 18Jun 13, 2011 11:20 pm We need to have some windows replaced due to scratching. Builder says the external pane only will be replaced... Is this right, our panes are a&l I believe they are argon filled... Surely if only the external pane is replaced the DG effect will be lost, condensation problems between the panes will occur? Am I right in thinking the whole window, frame and all will need replacing? TIA POS Re: Double glazing with project builder 19Jun 13, 2011 11:23 pm Pos We need to have some windows replaced due to scratching. Builder says the external pane only will be replaced... Is this right, our panes are a&l I believe they are argon filled... Surely if only the external pane is replaced the DG effect will be lost, condensation problems between the panes will occur? Am I right in thinking the whole window, frame and all will need replacing? TIA POS Impossible to change only the outer pane... they will change the whole double glazed unit - not the whole window. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Double glazing with project builder 20Jun 14, 2011 4:11 pm Thanks ed, that's good to know, so the frame remains in place by the sounds of it? Just the glazing gets replaced... I see what u mean by calling it a unit, it should be looked at a single unit comprising of two panes. This is one of the reasons I decided to go overseas for my double glazed windows. 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