Browse Forums Windows & Doors Re: Pivot Entrance Doors Corinthian or Savoy or other? 22Jan 20, 2011 4:29 pm 1050 ? Can be easily done with a normal hinged door which also seals better Change is what we need! Can we? YES WE CAN!!!!! Re: Pivot Entrance Doors Corinthian or Savoy or other? 24Jan 24, 2011 7:40 am Not quite. Pivot doors don't seal as well as hinged doors. The standard flush doors are just 40mm thick and they don't seal very well (but better than pivot)too due the absence of multi-point locking and the hinges are not adjustable. The European style entrance doors are the best choice. 65-70mm thick, double rebate and rubber seal, multi point locking and adjustable hinges. Big choice out there. Change is what we need! Can we? YES WE CAN!!!!! Re: Pivot Entrance Doors Corinthian or Savoy or other? 25Jan 25, 2011 9:38 am windowexpert Pivot doors don't seal as well as hinged doors. Big choice out there. I'm a carpenter and I'd say from my experience you are wrong. The pivot systems that are sold by Corinthian and Hume come with door seals all round. I believe they seal better than the average entrance door that is sold in Australia. By the clever use of architectural seals you can make just about any door perfectly sealed if you so desire. I'm sure your super duper DG entrance doors seal better but as they probably make up .05% of entrance doors fitted in Australia (certainly for the average consumer) then the relative merits of it seem to be a little lost on most. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Pivot Entrance Doors Corinthian or Savoy or other? 26Jan 29, 2011 5:27 am chippy windowexpert Pivot doors don't seal as well as hinged doors. Big choice out there. I'm a carpenter and I'd say from my experience you are wrong. The pivot systems that are sold by Corinthian and Hume come with door seals all round. I believe they seal better than the average entrance door that is sold in Australia. By the clever use of architectural seals you can make just about any door perfectly sealed if you so desire. I'm sure your super duper DG entrance doors seal better but as they probably make up .05% of entrance doors fitted in Australia (certainly for the average consumer) then the relative merits of it seem to be a little lost on most. Why only .5%? Must be the carpenters not wanting them and therefore not offer to the customer:-) Bad news for them. This "super duper" (or simply normal modern doors) are fitted faster with no work or painting required on site. So the actual door making remains fully in joiners hands where they belong. Change is what we need! Can we? YES WE CAN!!!!! Re: Pivot Entrance Doors Corinthian or Savoy or other? 27Jan 29, 2011 7:20 pm ive just finished fitting mine today,just a bit of adjustment and the seals and deadlock and pull handles and its done.got the door off ebay,bought the timber for the frame and made it myself and bought the hydraulic closer.total cost $560 Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Re: Pivot Entrance Doors Corinthian or Savoy or other? 28Jan 30, 2011 5:46 am No paint, no lock, no handle and already installed ? It is a bit like putting the roof before the foundations Change is what we need! Can we? YES WE CAN!!!!! Re: Pivot Entrance Doors Corinthian or Savoy or other? 29Jan 30, 2011 9:27 am windowexpert No paint, no lock, no handle and already installed ? It is a bit like putting the roof before the foundations That's exactly how ours was done. Love it, can't wait to see it finished Re: Pivot Entrance Doors Corinthian or Savoy or other? 30Jan 30, 2011 9:38 am windowexpert No paint, no lock, no handle and already installed ? It is a bit like putting the roof before the foundations how else would you hang a door, been a carpenter for over 24 years so i think i know what i,m doing. Re: Pivot Entrance Doors Corinthian or Savoy or other? 31Jan 30, 2011 10:18 am darrell81 windowexpert No paint, no lock, no handle and already installed ? It is a bit like putting the roof before the foundations how else would you hang a door, been a carpenter for over 24 years so i think i know what i,m doing smart arse Perhaps you are just a bit behind our times That is how I install an entrance door: Tools required: A Long and a short spirit level and battery drill, screwdriver and hex key for any adjustments on the lock. Materials: Fixing screws, foam tape or foam, touch up paint in case of a slight damage 1.) Unload and take the sash out of the frame by unlocking the lock and undoing the pins on the hinge. 2.) Place the frame into the opening, plumb, straight and level 3.) Once the frame is fully fitted with all screws the sash goes back in. 4.) Check the the door and the lock is working and make any adjustments on the hinges and lockplate if necessarry 5.) finished! Mask it if it is a building site. All done in less than an hour. Change is what we need! Can we? YES WE CAN!!!!! Re: Pivot Entrance Doors Corinthian or Savoy or other? 32Jan 30, 2011 10:22 am Just a friendly reminder... Quote: 2. Be respectful of other members at all times. Flaming or abusing (incl. bullying, belittling or humiliating) other members in any way is not acceptable. Any post deemed disrespectful or defamatory of another member or party will be removed, and the poster will be at risk of being banned. The forum community comprises of valued and respected members whom utilise THIS forum for a pleasant exchange of constructive information. Re: Pivot Entrance Doors Corinthian or Savoy or other? 33Jan 30, 2011 10:29 am windowexpert darrell81 windowexpert No paint, no lock, no handle and already installed ? It is a bit like putting the roof before the foundations how else would you hang a door, been a carpenter for over 24 years so i think i know what i,m doing smart arse Perhaps you are just a bit behind our times That is how I install an entrance door: Tools required: A Long and a short spirit level and battery drill, screwdriver and hex key for any adjustments on the lock. Materials: Fixing screws, foam tape or foam, touch up paint in case of a slight damage 1.) Unload and take the sash out of the frame by unlocking the lock and undoing the pins on the hinge. 2.) Place the frame into the opening, plumb, straight and level 3.) Once the frame is fully fitted with all screws the sash goes back in. 4.) Check the the door and the lock is working and make any adjustments on the hinges and lockplate if necessarry 5.) finished! Mask it if it is a building site. All done in less than an hour. i,m from the uk and fitted hundreds of d/g units and yes they are easy to install.but i dont like the plastic look.i know you can buy timber effect colours but you cant beat real timber,and living in QLD the climate is suitable for the door i,ve chosen Re: Pivot Entrance Doors Corinthian or Savoy or other? 34Jan 30, 2011 10:54 am We have the Corinthian one - love it, no issues or concerns Handle is different now to the one in this photo. They put the wrong one on at first Building with Ventura homes (WA) Building thread: viewtopic.php?f=31&t=20516 Slab: 17/04/10, Bricking started: 12/05/10, Bricking finished: 2/06/10, Roof frame done: 11/06/10, Colorbond on: 14/07/10, Lock Up: 19/08/10, Cabinets: 25/08/10, Tiling done: 28/09/10, Electrical: 2/10/10, PCI: 29/10/10, Keys: 4/11/10 Re: Pivot Entrance Doors Corinthian or Savoy or other? 35Jan 30, 2011 11:10 am how else would you hang a door, been a carpenter for over 24 years so i think i know what i,m doing smart arse[/quote] Perhaps you are just a bit behind our times That is how I install an entrance door: Tools required: A Long and a short spirit level and battery drill, screwdriver and hex key for any adjustments on the lock. Materials: Fixing screws, foam tape or foam, touch up paint in case of a slight damage 1.) Unload and take the sash out of the frame by unlocking the lock and undoing the pins on the hinge. 2.) Place the frame into the opening, plumb, straight and level 3.) Once the frame is fully fitted with all screws the sash goes back in. 4.) Check the the door and the lock is working and make any adjustments on the hinges and lockplate if necessarry 5.) finished! Mask it if it is a building site. All done in less than an hour. [/quote] i,m from the uk and fitted hundreds of d/g units and yes they are easy to install.but i dont like the plastic look.i know you can buy timber effect colours but you cant beat real timber,and living in QLD the climate is suitable for the door i,ve chosen[/quote] Installation always works the same way whether it is a timber door, aluminium or upvc. Why would you want to paint a timber door on site or fit the hinges and locks on site? Change is what we need! Can we? YES WE CAN!!!!! Re: Pivot Entrance Doors Corinthian or Savoy or other? 36Jan 30, 2011 12:20 pm windowexpert Perhaps you are just a bit behind our times That is how I install an entrance door: Tools required: A Long and a short spirit level and battery drill, screwdriver and hex key for any adjustments on the lock. Materials: Fixing screws, foam tape or foam, touch up paint in case of a slight damage 1.) Unload and take the sash out of the frame by unlocking the lock and undoing the pins on the hinge. 2.) Place the frame into the opening, plumb, straight and level 3.) Once the frame is fully fitted with all screws the sash goes back in. 4.) Check the the door and the lock is working and make any adjustments on the hinges and lockplate if necessarry 5.) finished! Mask it if it is a building site. All done in less than an hour. You can use exactly the same procedure to fit a pivot door if you like. They come as a complete unit, pre-fitted. Remove door from frame, fix frame, re fit door. You could even have the lock and painting pre done however I see this as a mute point as it really makes no difference where it's done, as carpenters are good enough to be able to fit ANY style lock and handles a customer may like. By the way I said that the "super duper" DG front doors are probably only installed in about .05% not .5% of homes. This has nothing to do with carpenters and everything to do with builders. Builders walk a line between economics and giving clients what they want. As there is a huge variety of entrance doors to choose from when selecting traditional joinery and the price doesn't put people off it is pretty simple as to why no one goes with the DG entrance doors. If I lived in Europe or some other area that had sub zero temperatures for much of the year then yes a DG door may be high on my list, however as I live in Temperate Australia then the thermal performance of my front door is trumped by my desire to have something that looks good. You might say it's form over function, I'd say you can have both, a stylish entrance door that works well. Darrel's and all the others doors look great. There are plenty of areas the average consumer (the 99.95%) would prefer to spend their money on than some big clunker looking front door that triple locks and has double seals. By the way, I called you to task about your comment that pivot doors don't seal well and you seemed to just move on to the method of installation. I take it that you concede that pivot doors can be and are well sealed. Bro, it's pretty obvious that you think our methods are flawed but sometimes you just need to admit that what works in one area doesn't work elsewhere. It's called fit for purpose. By the way Darrell, what pivot hardware did you choose to go with? I'm still not sure to go with a hydraulic closer or just a straight pivot mechanism. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Pivot Entrance Doors Corinthian or Savoy or other? 37Jan 30, 2011 12:47 pm First of all nobody talked about the glazing of the doors. Second pivot doors are pointless and dont seal as well as others Third a lock and hardware fitting and painting is much more time efficient in the factory and much better quality job than a carpenter can do on site. And adjustable hardware is more cost efficient than using hammer and planer for adjustment. And an entrance door has little to do with the geographical location but a lot with security and function and of course appearance. And a well made entrance door with a factory fitted multi point lock doesn't need to be cluttered with ugly dead locks on the inside. Guess you don't like modern doors with multi point locks because it takes a skilled joiner to make them. And it is less work time on site you can charge to the client. Change is what we need! Can we? YES WE CAN!!!!! Re: Pivot Entrance Doors Corinthian or Savoy or other? 38Jan 30, 2011 12:59 pm windowexpert ...pivot doors are pointless and dont seal as well as others That's entirely your opinion We have a pivot door, and it seals a heck of a lot better than any entry door we've had in any previous homes we've lived in. Re: Pivot Entrance Doors Corinthian or Savoy or other? 39Jan 30, 2011 1:33 pm just Erin windowexpert ...pivot doors are pointless and dont seal as well as others That's entirely your opinion We have a pivot door, and it seals a heck of a lot better than any entry door we've had in any previous homes we've lived in. Same here, I don't understand that arguement, it seals fine! As chippy said, we don't have freezing temperatures here to worry about it so much. We chose our handles separately to the door and also our lock as we had a choice besides the "standard" so of course they are going to be fitted on site. And the staining (or for some, Painting) is done on site, as it's done by the painters, not the carpenters. I don't think it matters how it's done as long as it's done Re: Pivot Entrance Doors Corinthian or Savoy or other? 40Jan 30, 2011 1:50 pm Perhaps you guys never had a nice entrance door with nice and lasting surface finish and secure invisible hardware. If you are one of those learn resistant people you can't be helped and if you desire paying big money for a poor standard job go for it by all means ))))))) Change is what we need! Can we? YES WE CAN!!!!! The warning is on the sticker on the door too. Second the aluminium powdercoat 6 18177 I recently went through a similar renovation and move scenario when updating our family home. We also swapped some rooms around and tackled a major… 2 9755 |