Browse Forums Windows & Doors 1 Jan 16, 2010 7:38 am Our upstairs toilet door has a gap of about 3mm at the top between it & the architrave ie you can see the light coming through between them. Our EB Maintenance guy told me that the Australian Standard dictates that that is a requirement for safety reasons. In other words, the door can be lifted off the hinge to extricate someone if they've passed out in there. OK, so that makes sense. But, wouldn't that installation then be mandatory on all such doors ? Neither our upstairs bathroom or ensuite doors have been installed this way. So, was I told a furfie or have the other 2 doors not been installed correctly? Built the Eden Brae Cambridge 34 Family with Boston Corner Facade Re: Australian Standard - Installation of Toilet/Bathroom Doors 2Jan 16, 2010 7:43 am I’m not sure on the Australian standard, but like you, the door to the toilet in the rental we are living in has a gap too, but only on one side and the ensuite doesn’t. Southies Our EB Maintenance guy told me that the Australian Standard dictates that that is a requirement for safety reasons. In other words, the door can be lifted off the hinge to extricate someone if they've passed out in there Even if this were true, if the door has pins in the hinge, like our toilet door does, you would never be able to lift the door off anyway, the pins are too hard to remove. Current status: Busy making the house our home Built PD Francis 29 on our 576m2 block at Reflections in Tarneit Reflections Estate Thread Our Build Thread Re: Australian Standard - Installation of Toilet/Bathroom Doors 3Jan 16, 2010 8:39 am I've just checked the hinges on all 3 doors. THe toilet door hinge is a little different to the other 2 & has the words 'lift off' stamped on it. Still don't see why that 1 door is singled out. Built the Eden Brae Cambridge 34 Family with Boston Corner Facade Re: Australian Standard - Installation of Toilet/Bathroom Doors 4Jan 16, 2010 8:48 am All 3 of our toilet doors have the lift off hinges. The rooms are very small and if someone was lodged between the toilet and the door passed out, it would be hard to open the door onto them. Easier to lift the door off it's hinges. Doors in bigger rooms can be kicked in in an emergency, but tricky in the tiny toilet! Henley - Wilshire Mk 3 ... I love my house!! Site start: 4th Feb 09 Handover: 10th Sep 09 Blog: http://stormygirlscastle.blogspot.com/ Build Thread: viewtopic.php?t=7166 Re: Australian Standard - Installation of Toilet/Bathroom Doors 6Jan 16, 2010 9:14 am Also all 3 of our toilets (including the bigger powder room) don't have windows, so I don't know if this is a factor in the lift off door too? I have no idea what the correct Australian standard is, though! Henley - Wilshire Mk 3 ... I love my house!! Site start: 4th Feb 09 Handover: 10th Sep 09 Blog: http://stormygirlscastle.blogspot.com/ Build Thread: viewtopic.php?t=7166 Re: Australian Standard - Installation of Toilet/Bathroom Doors 7Jan 16, 2010 10:59 am Stormy Also all 3 of our toilets (including the bigger powder room) don't have windows, so I don't know if this is a factor in the lift off door too? I have no idea what the correct Australian standard is, though! Nah, the window doesn't matter. It's all about room size - the only other solution is to have the door open outward, then you don't need to worry. That wouldn't work in most situations, hence the lift-off hinges. We have them on our toilet only. My husband thought the fixing guy had put them on wrong. Here's a story about an older house and inward-opening loo door with standard hinges: When my husband was very young, he was stupid enough to get into a drinking contest with my Dad. Of course, he ended up the worse for wear and lurched off to the toilet, feeling *ahem* a bit unwell. After he'd been gone for about 20 minutes, I went looking for him. No response to knocking on the door or calling his name....so I tried to open the door...to find that he was curled around the toilet bowl, sound asleep and blocking the door. I eventually got him out, cleaned up and put to bed on the couch. And that was the first time he met my parents.... Re: Australian Standard - Installation of Toilet/Bathroom Doors 8Jan 16, 2010 1:06 pm OK, the facts. If you have less than 1200 mm from the toilet pan to the hinge of the door then you need lift off hinges. If there is alternative access to the room, such as a window then you don't need the lift off hinges. Demolition August 2009, Construction Started September 2009, Completed December 2010 Re: Australian Standard - Installation of Toilet/Bathroom Doors 9Jan 16, 2010 1:38 pm Hmmm, so what would people prefer...lift off hinges or a door that opens out. Our door to the toilet opens out..and now I know why. DH and I were wondering if it could be changed. Are the lift off hinges and gaps noticeable? I suppose it's not likely that we'll knock one of the kids unconscious if they get hit by an outward swinging toilet door??? 'chelle We have a hand-over date...15/10...but I won't hold my breath! http://people-in-glass-houses.blogspot.com/ Re: Australian Standard - Installation of Toilet/Bathroom Doors 10Jan 16, 2010 2:01 pm I hate the look of lift off hinges. For my ensuites, I've elected to leave the door off rather than have lift off hinges! My space is just over 1200 mm if you measure to the base of the toilet pan, but less if you measure at the rim height. So when they get inspected, if the PCA demands lift off hinges I'm going to tell the builder to remove the doors and throw them out. Demolition August 2009, Construction Started September 2009, Completed December 2010 Re: Australian Standard - Installation of Toilet/Bathroom Doors 11Jan 16, 2010 2:20 pm lol. That's not an option here as it is the main toilet. I recall our builder saying that he preferred the door opening outwads to the lift off hinges...do they really look that bad? 'chelle We have a hand-over date...15/10...but I won't hold my breath! http://people-in-glass-houses.blogspot.com/ Re: Australian Standard - Installation of Toilet/Bathroom Doors 12Jan 16, 2010 3:20 pm Casa2 OK, the facts. If you have less than 1200 mm from the toilet pan to the hinge of the door then you need lift off hinges. If there is alternative access to the room, such as a window then you don't need the lift off hinges. That may be true in NSW, but it's definitely not in Vic. A window makes no difference. As usual, the building regs appear to be very similar, but slightly different from state to state. 'chelle lol. That's not an option here as it is the main toilet. I recall our builder saying that he preferred the door opening outwads to the lift off hinges...do they really look that bad? I just went and checked, because I honestly could not even recall what our hinges look like - they're not visible from outside the room, same as a normal door. And there is no gap above the door; it's more of a recess on the inside and it's tiny, a bit more than 1cm, I'd guess. I never even saw it till just now. There has to be room on the inside of the door frame to lift it up, but normal architraves on the outside cover any gap that might have been visible. I guess maybe different builders do it different ways. The hinges only have two sections, instead of the usual five or whatever. Otherwise they look like ....hinges. The pins go in from the bottom instead of the top, but you wouldn't notice that either unless you were looking. I can't say I've ever sat there looking at them and despising their lack of style. I don't even see them. Re: Australian Standard - Installation of Toilet/Bathroom Doors 13Jan 16, 2010 3:24 pm Re: Australian Standard - Installation of Toilet/Bathroom Doors 14Jan 16, 2010 3:30 pm I dont think a window makes any difference in SA either - our builder told us we had to have a lift off door to toilet because of the small size of the room - it does have a window, admittedly only a small one, a person would not be able to gain access thru the window. An outward opening door would be impractical with the position of the room - anyway you really dont notice the difference - there is no gap at the top of ours and DH fixed the gap at the bottom by attaching a door seal to the bottom of the door - you can see it from the inside of the toliet but I dont think anyone really notices Re: Australian Standard - Installation of Toilet/Bathroom Doors 15Jan 16, 2010 3:43 pm Here we go: http://hia.com.au/hia/content/Kitchens%20and%20Bathrooms/region/National/classification/Building%20and%20Planning%20Services/BCA%20and%20Australian%20Standards/article/IS/BPS/NAT%20BCA%202009%20Doors%20in%20sanitary%20compartments.aspx Building Code of Australia (BCA) 2009 Volume 2 (Housing Provisions) Clause 3.8.3.3 Re: Australian Standard - Installation of Toilet/Bathroom Doors 16Jan 16, 2010 3:49 pm Casa2 OK, the facts. If you have less than 1200 mm from the toilet pan to the hinge of the door then you need lift off hinges. If there is alternative access to the room, such as a window then you don't need the lift off hinges. So in fact we didn't need a lift-off door (with a gap at the top) because we have a window in the toilet & access is via the balcony twits Built the Eden Brae Cambridge 34 Family with Boston Corner Facade Re: Australian Standard - Installation of Toilet/Bathroom Doors 17Jan 16, 2010 3:57 pm Thanks kek I don't think we'll worry about it too much. I'll see what our builder says, but they don't look too different to me 'chelle We have a hand-over date...15/10...but I won't hold my breath! http://people-in-glass-houses.blogspot.com/ Re: Australian Standard - Installation of Toilet/Bathroom Doors 18Jan 16, 2010 4:02 pm Southies Casa2 OK, the facts. If you have less than 1200 mm from the toilet pan to the hinge of the door then you need lift off hinges. If there is alternative access to the room, such as a window then you don't need the lift off hinges. So in fact we didn't need a lift-off door (with a gap at the top) because we have a window in the toilet & access is via the balcony twits I dunno Southies... the Building Code doesn't mention any exemptions for windows/no windows. Our window is big enough to get through, but you'd have to break the chain thingie on the winder mechanism and cut through the flyscreen - that could take minutes that make a difference in an emergency. The point is, you shouldn't HAVE a gap. They ought to have used a deeper piece of timber to cover the gap on the outside of the door, so there's still space on the inside to lift the door up enough to release the hinge. Leaving a gap is just lazy. Re: Australian Standard - Installation of Toilet/Bathroom Doors 19Jan 16, 2010 4:06 pm kek The point is, you shouldn't HAVE a gap. They ought to have used a deeper piece of timber to cover the gap on the outside of the door, so there's still space on the inside to lift the door up enough to release the hinge. Leaving a gap is just lazy. Yep, that's what I thought Another 'oh well' moment Built the Eden Brae Cambridge 34 Family with Boston Corner Facade Re: Australian Standard - Installation of Toilet/Bathroom Doors 20Jan 16, 2010 4:20 pm I dont have lift off hinges or a door that opens inwards, but I am not complaining, how many people a year collapse in toilets anyway. Looking at some of the designs on websites, they are all selling very similar products. I get that you want something stylish. It's worth looking for search terms like SaveH2O… 2 7163 Hey, I am wanting to add a second toilet to my house, bit we have limited room. There is a hallway/entry that is never used, so was thinking this could be an option. Only… 0 4934 "Losers" "humanity" "off time" "your" "top notch" "love symbol" Sounds like ponzo is done using other people's toilets 36 24442 |