Browse Forums Windows & Doors 1 Oct 27, 2009 3:37 pm Hi everyone! I'm not sure if it is just me being OCD or whether this is truly not how things are done 'normally'. Basically my door handle furniture was installed over the weekend. When I first saw them fully installed yesterday, I went, "oh no". I won't say what I think is wrong, but instead would like the people of this good forum to tell me what they think. I have already voiced my concern to my site supervisor, who promptly advised me that, "that's how they are normally installed....it looks fine to me." So, let me know what you think. And if you think they have been done 'wrong', then do I really have any leg to stand on in terms of getting them re-done? For such small things there isn't anything in the contracts that speciy oh this needs to be that height, etc. One would just assume things are done with some common sense and to me this just doesn't seem 'normal' or how they should be 'normally installed'. I also didn't specify in writing that I wanted the handles at a certain height. By the way, to have them redone I think the doors will need to be replaced. Front Door - outside view Front Door - inside view Thanks everyone. Re: Front Door Handles - Is it me or does this look wrong? 3Oct 27, 2009 3:44 pm Hi Bek! Thanks for your comment. Yes, please everyone be BRUTALLY HONEST. Yup, the handles cannot go any lower due to the lock. The lock would have to move lower for the pull-handles to be lowered. Re: Front Door Handles - Is it me or does this look wrong? 4Oct 27, 2009 3:51 pm and if you move the locks down... well, the door is ruined. Demand some new doors I say. And get them to put the lock lower, and the handles lower. (but honestly, i wouldn't have noticed if you didn't point it out to me so if you can't get them changed, don't worry too much!) Re: Front Door Handles - Is it me or does this look wrong? 5Oct 27, 2009 4:00 pm I'm sorry to say, but they look ridiculous. I would be writing to the builder for a please explain. Usually with the large door handles, the lock is lowered to compensate for the handle. Go to any of the door websites (ie corinthian, hume, etc) and look at pictures of the doors. Direct the builder to those sites as to how they are "usually done". What has happened is that the door hardware has been installed without regards to the handles being used. The lock is at the right height for a handle/lock combination, but not for the long handles. THey may be able to bog up the hole after they have created a new one, and paint the door. A good paint job should cover the bog hole. Blog is now up - http://www.jbdave.blogspot.com/ Re: Front Door Handles - Is it me or does this look wrong? 6Oct 27, 2009 5:36 pm Hi jbdave! No, don't be sorry...because I agree with you. Your comments are bang on the money to what I was thinking. I think what has happened here is that the 'door guy' has installed the lock FIRST and then picked up the pull-handles and went, "ohh........crap...." But too late. He should have layed out his work in front of him first. Unfortunately, I'm the type of person who doesn't like conflict and so usually the site supervisor walks all over me. Comments like these do give me a little bit more confidence that I'm not in the wrong here and so I will push the issue. I have sent a long email, with photos/pics/etc...now waiting for a reply. Thank you and thanks again Bek. Re: Front Door Handles - Is it me or does this look wrong? 8Oct 27, 2009 6:21 pm Hi Rizzo, Yes...it is the front door and noticeably out of whack. When I asked queried it, one of the other things I was told was: "Oh they look like they are too high because you are standing in the street and the street is lower than your house. If you look at them from the inside, you are higher up and they look fine." Yah well...I don't want my front door looking like cr*p from the street! Thanks Rizzo Re: Front Door Handles - Is it me or does this look wrong? 9Oct 27, 2009 6:27 pm This is how they should look..
(these picture were taken from the Corinthian Doors website) Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Your lock has been located half way up the door, normal for a standard handle. Obviously, as previously stated, the lock was installed without any regard to the type of handle to be used. With long handles the lock is usually located around 1/3 of the way up the door or a little higher. Re: Front Door Handles - Is it me or does this look wrong? 11Oct 27, 2009 6:27 pm Yes I think they are too high. I would have trouble opening those doors with an arm full of groceries. www.themaxbuild.blogspot.com forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=20717&start=300 www.leahspaperpassion.blogspot.com Re: Front Door Handles - Is it me or does this look wrong? 12Oct 27, 2009 6:32 pm Definitely incorrectly positioned in my opinion. Looks odd. I would insist on new doors etc. Quote: What has happened is that the door hardware has been installed without regards to the handles being used. The lock is at the right height for a handle/lock combination, but not for the long handles. Re: Front Door Handles - Is it me or does this look wrong? 14Oct 27, 2009 6:43 pm Just want to say thank you to everyone for adding their comments. So I guess it's not my OCD! Staz88, that looks EXACTLY what I was expecting them to look like! If it were only installed like that then I'd be definitely a lot happier. I know though at the end of the day its not major, but hopefully the builder will get this changed for me. Thanks again everyone. It's good to know I have some support with this. Re: Front Door Handles - Is it me or does this look wrong? 15Oct 27, 2009 9:42 pm jbdave What has happened is that the door hardware has been installed without regards to the handles being used. The lock is at the right height for a handle/lock combination, but not for the long handles. That's how it looked to me too. Re: Front Door Handles - Is it me or does this look wrong? 16Oct 28, 2009 12:46 am those handles appear to be on backwards,if they are put on the right way they go over the lock.i will see if i can find pic http://www.madinoz.com.au/pdf/mdz8260.pdf also looks close to other door, might be a knuckle cruncher Re: Front Door Handles - Is it me or does this look wrong? 17Oct 28, 2009 11:39 am Hi mac64, Yes I think you are correct and the handles have been flipped. I believe this was intended so that the 'bar' would be aligned with the lock. That's what I was told anyway. Ignoring the height issue, does the handles look silly in this orientation? Here is a side by side photoshop: Handle orientation compared Hmmm. Re: Front Door Handles - Is it me or does this look wrong? 18Oct 28, 2009 11:58 am So if they had been put on the correct way, and placed in the middle the lock would have been easy to access. This exact same thing happened to me RedIsoTope, our carpenter put the handles way too high, even after I gave him a photo of how they were supposed to be We have timber doors and thought it was worth trying to put new bigger handles on and fill in the holes and stain over the top, unless you knew what we did, it's hard to tell. Is it frustrating or is it not !!! Re: Front Door Handles - Is it me or does this look wrong? 19Oct 28, 2009 12:08 pm What amazes me is that whenever a builder makes a mistake/substandard, the knee jerk response from the builder is "that's how they are normally installed....it looks fine to me". Maybe we should develop a knee jerk resposne of "well it's about time you started doing it right....it looks bad to me." Demolition August 2009, Construction Started September 2009, Completed December 2010 Mortice lock needs to sit center of door! = lie? 20Oct 28, 2009 1:08 pm Hi SuH and Casa2! UPDATE: Ok I have received an email from my client liaison officer and basically she has just gone and asked our site supervisor, who has in turn told her the SAME things which he told me on Monday. I specifically asked for confirmation/resolution from somone else, NOT our SS as he is quite unpleasant to deal with. Anyway basically they are blaming the type of lock we have 'chosen'. I think its a Mortice lock. I have not even heard of a mortice lock until monday. Point is, at prestart we were lead to believe that this lock came with these handles...I didn't know we could choose another lock! In short, the SS is saying that because we have a mortice lock then this needs to sit center of the door and then the handles placed above. Is this true? Can someone who has more knowledge about doors and locks please help me? -very frustrated- i imagine you also have another contract with an architect? and yeah, whatever other's said about special conditions and appendices 16 16000 3 3989 Building Standards; Getting It Right! AS2047 Section 6 Page 31 speaks to Construction/Tolerances of Windows and external glazed doors in buildings Check also New South Wales Guide to Standards and Tolerances,… 12 24795 |