Browse Forums Windows & Doors Re: Windows: Awning or Sliding? 21Apr 10, 2009 3:32 pm You beat me to it Helyn, I was just going to say that the lack of eaves means that rain gets in easily ....I had to bolt around the house closing windows last Friday when it suddenly started to pour. Also, it's freakin' windy here! So the rain often comes in at an angle. Or when it's really windy, horizontally. it's been pouring today. Must be my fault - I hung washing on the line. Re: Windows: Awning or Sliding? 22Apr 10, 2009 3:43 pm kek You beat me to it Helyn, I was just going to say that the lack of eaves means that rain gets in easily ....I had to bolt around the house closing windows last Friday when it suddenly started to pour. Also, it's freakin' windy here! So the rain often comes in at an angle. Or when it's really windy, horizontally. it's been pouring today. Must be my fault - I hung washing on the line. Rain today?? No rain here! 'A bottle of wine contains more philosophy than all the books in the world.' Louis Pasteur Vegie garden: viewtopic.php?f=19&t=27637&start=0 My Backyard Adventure Re: Windows: Awning or Sliding? 23Apr 10, 2009 3:49 pm kek it's been pouring today. Must be my fault - I hung washing on the line. Well, I'm just about to hang a load of washing outside so I suppose that means the rains coming my way? Custom downslope build Build thread viewtopic.php?f=31&t=61873 Blog http://www.buildingroyalmanor.blogspot.com.au Re: Windows: Awning or Sliding? 24Apr 10, 2009 8:51 pm No rain here either! I wish it would come and rain on my grass! "Your emotions are the slaves to your thoughts, and you are the slave to your emotions." — Elizabeth Gilbert Living in our new house. Currently scaping the land. Re: Windows: Awning or Sliding? 25May 12, 2009 1:29 pm It’s out of the question that every non-sliding option is better than the sliding windows (e.g. double-hung).
Usually the sliding windows work with brushed seals instead of compressible seals. This means you will have gaps letting in heat and noise. 1% more air flow means 10db more noise, which obviously proves to be similar for heat. The more fixed and hinged parts you can achieve throughout the project the better your thermal performance. The argument of ventilation might be valid, but the difference is not that much. A sliding window only opens up to 50% at best. For these instances the casement window is probably the best alternative. Awnings and casements rely on two things, proper hardware (e.g. TRUTH) and good seals. Otherwise you’ll end up with restricted control over your room climate like with most sliding options that leak air like a hole in the wall. A Pivot hinged casement offers the best performance in regard to air tight closure and maximum opening. Allowing to be winded open up to 90 degrees which means nearly 100% of the window area can be opened. Furthermore you can catch breezes to night flush your home. The pivot mounting also allows reaching the outer side of the double glazing for cleaning purposes. Not possible with many awning and sliding options. For more information on casement windows check out here: http://www.*********/windows/style/#casement Best regards Kris
Re: Windows: Awning or Sliding? 26May 18, 2009 4:37 pm We had HEAPS of trouble with our awning windows chain jamming up and then the winder would get stuck over the lock and then we were unable to unlock them. They were a very well know reputable brand and company and expensive. All sliding windows for us this time. I also found that they did not seal properly after awhile but they were Cedar not aluminium. Just my 2cents worth www.themaxbuild.blogspot.com forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=20717&start=300 www.leahspaperpassion.blogspot.com Re: Windows: Awning or Sliding? 27May 18, 2009 5:00 pm We have a mixture of both aswell. The front are awnings with 1 fixed window in the garage. The ensuite is an awning and so are the small windows in the meals area. Everything else is sliding. We are having air con and not evaporative cooling so we won't be opening the windows much in summer anyway. And there's always the front door, bi-folds and laundry doors that can be opened if we want a good cross breeze. Blog: http://bluemistkids.blogspot.com "Never be afraid to try something new. Remember, amateurs built the ark, and professionals built the Titanic." Re: Windows: Awning or Sliding? 28May 19, 2009 12:43 pm Problem with sliding doors or windows is that they don’t seal properly. That has nothing to do with the fact that they are open or not. Constant air leakage means constant drafts and loss of warmth or unwanted heat gain. If you are happy to have the draft and don't mind the extra energy wasted by air con and heating - no probs. Bottom line with most sliding windows, they are never closed. In regard to chain winders on awnings we are well aware of the problem and are manufacturing our product with TRUTH hardware operating arms and the automated version with a stainless chain. No recall thus far due to chain failure. I don't know what you mean by be reputable and expensive? Just well known or quality, and expensive or worth the money? Best regards Kris Re: Windows: Awning or Sliding? 29May 20, 2009 11:34 am Miglas Windows Problem with sliding doors or windows is that they don’t seal properly. That has nothing to do with the fact that they are open or not. Constant air leakage means constant drafts and loss of warmth or unwanted heat gain. If you are happy to have the draft and don't mind the extra energy wasted by air con and heating - no probs. Bottom line with most sliding windows, they are never closed. Best regards Kris Kris I expect you know that in Europe a minimum of 5000mm² Equivalent Area trickle ventilation is needed in each habitable room to comply with Building Regulations and conform to the Best Practice Guidelines of the Glass and Glazing Federation. This was brought about by homes being too well sealed resulting in house sickness and an unhealthy environment.... so some leakage is good and necessary. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Windows: Awning or Sliding? 30May 20, 2009 12:18 pm Miglass, I have always had sliding windows and cant say Ive ever noticed any draft when they are closed. The only windows I ever physically noticed air leakage was old fashioned louvres I had in part of my old house - I mean old - 50 years old I take your word for it that there is a small amount of air leakage but as Ed says, this is common sense - if there were no air leakage at all and we lived in a vaccuum we would die of suffocation Not sure what you mean 'by bottom line with sliding windows they are never closed' - do you mean even when they are closed they are not closed - ie what we have already covered - or do you mean people do not close them???? I certainly close mine in bedrooms and liveing areas when air con is on or even at night now to keep cold out , I close the bathroom one when I have a shower, only one never closed is toilet and laundry Re: Windows: Awning or Sliding? 31May 21, 2009 2:08 pm Helyn/ Ed, 30 minutes flushing 3 times a day should do the trick in regard to healthy room environment. It's just about putting you into the driving seat regarding ventilation and this applies for trickle vents as well. They can be closed if you buy the right once. I agree that it is crucial to ventilate to avoid dampness and improve air quality - it's about being able to influence that yourself not because the window system leaks. The difference is wanted and unwanted air flow or controlled and uncontrolled air flow - you name it. Even though trickle vents found their way into building regulation, it doesn't mean that they are the best solution. I doubt that creating an air flow especially in areas where conduction and convection can be a problem is clever - especially when we are talking about single-glazed aluminium windows. Vacuum - let's hope that the place is structural sound that it doesn’t implode. In regard to sliding windows I just look at WERS ratings and the air leakage of the average sliding systems there. Most systems will probably have a higher than good air leakage - meaning they are never completely closed. Kris. Re: Windows: Awning or Sliding? 32May 21, 2009 3:16 pm Miglas Windows Helyn/ Ed, 30 minutes flushing 3 times a day should do the trick in regard to healthy room environment. It's just about putting you into the driving seat regarding ventilation and this applies for trickle vents as well. They can be closed if you buy the right once. I agree that it is crucial to ventilate to avoid dampness and improve air quality - it's about being able to influence that yourself not because the window system leaks. The difference is wanted and unwanted air flow or controlled and uncontrolled air flow - you name it. Even though trickle vents found their way into building regulation, it doesn't mean that they are the best solution. I doubt that creating an air flow especially in areas where conduction and convection can be a problem is clever - especially when we are talking about single-glazed aluminium windows. Vacuum - let's hope that the place is structural sound that it doesn’t implode. In regard to sliding windows I just look at WERS ratings and the air leakage of the average sliding systems there. Most systems will probably have a higher than good air leakage - meaning they are never completely closed. Kris. I expect some clever people in the rest of the world came up with 5000mm² Equivalent Area trickle ventilation for each habitable room (and it works)... And that IMO exceeds the leakage from a sliding window in that room ( so the sliding window will provide some contribution towards the standard). Flushing is not controlled ventilation and is an inferior solution, IMO... it's like emptying the sump on your car after 10,000 kms and putting in new oil. Just a compromise on having continuous supply of new oil. You agree that ventilation is required and you say it should be achieved by flushing a room 3 times a day and sealing the windows. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Windows: Awning or Sliding? 33May 21, 2009 3:42 pm Awning window fan here. Building our first house I have all awning windows apart from the kitchen window and one small toilet window (which doesn't open anyway). Things I like about them is: *Look Good *Better seals than sliding windows *Hopefully easier to clean (considering insect screens will be on the inside). Biggest thing for me was how I absolutely hate having to clean the window tracks of sliding windows / doors!! They are such a pain . . . or do I just not know how to do it right? Even with the vacuum cleaner your nozzle attachment thing is guaranteed not to fit!! Anyway the only real downside I can see is that due to being more secure it would also mean that should an emergency arise (fire etc) an awning window wouldn't be easy to get out through either. . . . I guess in that situation hopefully the glass would be easy enough to break! Re: Windows: Awning or Sliding? 34May 21, 2009 4:08 pm Pebble Awning window fan here. Building our first house I have all awning windows apart from the kitchen window and one small toilet window (which doesn't open anyway). Things I like about them is: *Look Good *Better seals than sliding windows *Hopefully easier to clean (considering insect screens will be on the inside). Biggest thing for me was how I absolutely hate having to clean the window tracks of sliding windows / doors!! They are such a pain . . . or do I just not know how to do it right? Even with the vacuum cleaner your nozzle attachment thing is guaranteed not to fit!! Anyway the only real downside I can see is that due to being more secure it would also mean that should an emergency arise (fire etc) an awning window wouldn't be easy to get out through either. . . . I guess in that situation hopefully the glass would be easy enough to break! Me too... awnings rule "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Windows: Awning or Sliding? 35May 21, 2009 6:17 pm sliding, awning, casement, tilt and turn very bad, bad, better, by far the best Change is what we need! Can we? YES WE CAN!!!!! Re: Windows: Awning or Sliding? 36May 21, 2009 7:00 pm Quote: windowexpert sliding, awning, casement, tilt and turn very bad, bad, better, by far the best Why do you think casement is better than awning? same section, similar hardware. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Windows: Awning or Sliding? 37May 21, 2009 8:05 pm awning doesn't open properly, it doesn't ventilate very well Casement can be almost fully opened but not as far as tilt and turn Change is what we need! Can we? YES WE CAN!!!!! Re: Windows: Awning or Sliding? 38May 21, 2009 10:53 pm Quote: 30 minutes flushing 3 times a day should do the trick in regard to healthy room environment. Can you explain this statement to the layperson?? 30 minutes flushing 3 x day - do you meant this takes 90 minutes a day??? what do you do?? Who has 90 minutes to spare a day??? Sometimes I'm not home for 90 minutes of the day - other than sleeping in an unflushed house I dont get it. PS: and I still prefer my sliding windows - stubborn ignoramus, aren't I Re: Windows: Awning or Sliding? 39May 22, 2009 6:14 pm Helyn Quote: 30 minutes flushing 3 times a day should do the trick in regard to healthy room environment. Can you explain this statement to the layperson?? 30 minutes flushing 3 x day - do you meant this takes 90 minutes a day??? what do you do?? Who has 90 minutes to spare a day??? Sometimes I'm not home for 90 minutes of the day - other than sleeping in an unflushed house I dont get it. PS: and I still prefer my sliding windows - stubborn ignoramus, aren't I Lol thanks for the laugh, I didn't understand it either! But thinking about it, I gather it means "airing out" the house, having windows open with flow through ventilation for 30min, 3x / day. My father in law can't stand a stuffy room so sleeps with a window open (at least to some degree in the bedroom) even in the middle of winter. 4 14391 we have a standard size and often we have a lot of variety to choose 0 3604 Thanks Chippy,I do have one that I levered out. I'll try to find a brand name on the windows then do some searching. Here is a photo where you can see how worn they are. 2 7998 |