Browse Forums Windows & Doors 1 Jul 20, 2009 10:09 pm Hi there, I need advise regarding an issue with my builder. We have signed off on everything and ready for slab to go down. And I just receive a call saying that our sliding doors to the alfresco can't done as it is too wide and require stacker doors and that is an extra charge. Should they be responsible for this or have they got the right to charge the extra? Any advise would be appreciated. I'm in WA by the way. Thanks! Hazza weblog: http://www.smoobox.com.au/blog/ 24/07/09 - Siteworks 03/08/09 - Slabwork Done 25/08/09 - Brickwork Done 30/09/09 - Roof Done 29/10/09 - Locked Out! Re: Forced to use Stacker Doors 2Jul 20, 2009 10:12 pm hazzarama Hi there, I need advise regarding an issue with my builder. We have signed off on everything and ready for slab to go down. And I just receive a call saying that our sliding doors to the alfresco can't done as it is too wide and require stacker doors and that is an extra charge. Should they be responsible for this or have they got the right to charge the extra? Any advise would be appreciated. I'm in WA by the way. Thanks! Hazza Can't quite understand what size has to do with it... how wide is the door? Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Forced to use Stacker Doors 3Jul 20, 2009 10:26 pm Well it's about 5.2m wide. On the plan they have them as sliding doors. Now they tell us that the door and window makers can't do them that size. Shouldn't they know these things before hand? weblog: http://www.smoobox.com.au/blog/ 24/07/09 - Siteworks 03/08/09 - Slabwork Done 25/08/09 - Brickwork Done 30/09/09 - Roof Done 29/10/09 - Locked Out! Re: Forced to use Stacker Doors 4Jul 20, 2009 10:30 pm hazzarama Well it's about 5.2m wide. On the plan they have them as sliding doors. Now they tell us that the door and window makers can't do them that size. Shouldn't they know these things before hand? The answer to your question is "yes". But I still don't understand the problem - if they make a 4 panel stacker - what's the difference between that and a 4 panel slider with 2 centre opening panels? And the cost difference should be minimal anyway. But check that it can have a flydoor fitted - many brands don't take a flydoor without adding an expensive track. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Forced to use Stacker Doors 6Jul 20, 2009 10:41 pm Thanks Ed. That's what I thought. Will speak more to the builder tomorrow and let you know how it goes. weblog: http://www.smoobox.com.au/blog/ 24/07/09 - Siteworks 03/08/09 - Slabwork Done 25/08/09 - Brickwork Done 30/09/09 - Roof Done 29/10/09 - Locked Out! Re: Forced to use Stacker Doors 7Jul 20, 2009 10:47 pm I love stacking doors and we will be getting them. They are a bit more expensive thatn normal sliding doors but a lot cheaper than bi-folds. A good compromise I think. Sorry this doesn't answer your question I know Re: Forced to use Stacker Doors 8Jul 20, 2009 10:55 pm haha..tt's ok. I know stacker doors are nicer but I just don't like surprises with pricing. You would think they will tell you this sort of thing when the drafters draft the plan seeing how many they have done. weblog: http://www.smoobox.com.au/blog/ 24/07/09 - Siteworks 03/08/09 - Slabwork Done 25/08/09 - Brickwork Done 30/09/09 - Roof Done 29/10/09 - Locked Out! Re: Forced to use Stacker Doors 9Jul 20, 2009 10:57 pm How much extra did they say it will cost? Since it was clearly their fault I would refuse to pay anything but then in the end give in and meet them half way Re: Forced to use Stacker Doors 10Jul 20, 2009 11:06 pm Yah tt's what I plan to do. Am waiting for them to quote me on the extras. Will keep u updated. weblog: http://www.smoobox.com.au/blog/ 24/07/09 - Siteworks 03/08/09 - Slabwork Done 25/08/09 - Brickwork Done 30/09/09 - Roof Done 29/10/09 - Locked Out! Re: Forced to use Stacker Doors 12Jul 21, 2009 9:02 am my bifold upgrade (from stackers) cost $3600 for 3.8m opening. another option to consider? ’’Quondo Omni Flunkus Mortati ’’ If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy. Stila BK1 Build Thread The best place to talk about sport Re: Forced to use Stacker Doors 13Jul 21, 2009 11:20 am This is from this thread. viewtopic.php?f=31&t=3860&p=33925&hilit= Although it is an entrirely different item (sarking), the issue is fundamentally the same. I've hi-lighted the relevant clause, but included the entire post so that you have the context. Something that should have been forseeable by the builder. This forumer is in Queensland. Have a read it may be of some help. From coljacqld's thread...... Well it has been a while since I posted and we have had some excitment, good and bad. The day we received our site start date of Dec 5th in writing, I received a phone call to say that we needed to have sarking plus ventilation due to the building approval and our N3 wind rating - $2600. So on the phone I got to our building certifier and confirmed what I gathered from our paper work - there were no conditions to our building approval. Rang the Big M to challenge them and was then told it was boral that said we must have sarking due to N3 wind rating and proximity to water, so I asked for the variation in writing. When this came through it still said it was for the building approval so I shot of the following email: Hi ------ I refer to your phone call re costings to add sarking/ventilation to our contract. From our conversation and your explanation, I believe the reason for this is that we have a N3 wind rating and Boral stipulate that sarking must be installed due to the wind rating and close proximity to water no matter what tile we chose. You below email says that it was for BA approval. I have spoken to ------------- and they have confirmed they issued our BA subject nothing. It does not mention a requirement for sarking etc. We do not accept that we should wear the cost of this. Our contract states: Clause 20.10 "In the case of a variation requested by the builder, the builder is not entitled to payment for extra work unless the variation became necessary because of circumstances that could not have been reasonably foreseen by the builder at the date of the contract." M--------- have been aware from May 30th 2007 of the location of the land and its proximity to water and was advised in soil test dated June 7th that we have a N3 wind rating. Our contract has a costing for N3 wind rating already. M--------- had ample time and notice to have this amount in our contract which was signed on October 20th. This cost was very foreseeable but M--------- failed to advise of the before contract signing. Tile variation was already quoted and signed off by M------- & ourselves. If this is required M---------- is to wear the cost. Regards After this email I received a phone call to say we didn't need sarking after all. Sorry I wasn't going to accept this and asked for that in writing, that way if it became an issue down the track I had something in writing. Well me asking for it in writing seemed to put a spanner in the works. Got an email 2 days later to say "Thank you for your patience. At the moment due to this issue of Variation #5 your job is on a hold status and your final construction plans have not been drawn. Your supervisors will be meeting with you to discuss the process which follows from once Construction start. At this moment he has not got the details of your job. The Construction Manager is talking with Boral for confirmation and I am waiting on instruction. Once again thank you for your patience." So I get on the phone the next day to see how long exactly this is going to take considering our original site start of Dec 5th is only 6 days away, to be told be our CSC that the customer service manager is now handling it and should have rung us by now - message left for us to be rung. Finally got onto the customer service manager on the Friday to be told that yes M------ agreed that we did need sarking and it should have been picked up and because it wasn't they would wear the cost - OMG I think in hind sight they were trying to pull the wool over our eyes by saying it was a BA condition - just show it pays to read your documents and quote clauses from the contract. I leave you to fend for yourself, figure things out yourself. Terrence Malick Re: Forced to use Stacker Doors 14Jul 21, 2009 7:27 pm ed @ EcoClassic hazzarama Well it's about 5.2m wide. On the plan they have them as sliding doors. Now they tell us that the door and window makers can't do them that size. Shouldn't they know these things before hand? The answer to your question is "yes". But I still don't understand the problem - if they make a 4 panel stacker - what's the difference between that and a 4 panel slider with 2 centre opening panels? And the cost difference should be minimal anyway. But check that it can have a flydoor fitted - many brands don't take a flydoor without adding an expensive track. Ed The difference is in the track itself. A 4 panel stack door will need a quad track, a bi-part slider (2 fixed 2 slide) will use a double track. So the stack door will be more expensive. Its more than likely the builder will make more $$ out of making you change to the bi-part slider, as it will cost them less. Re: Forced to use Stacker Doors 15Jul 21, 2009 10:46 pm waylow ed @ EcoClassic hazzarama Well it's about 5.2m wide. On the plan they have them as sliding doors. Now they tell us that the door and window makers can't do them that size. Shouldn't they know these things before hand? The answer to your question is "yes". But I still don't understand the problem - if they make a 4 panel stacker - what's the difference between that and a 4 panel slider with 2 centre opening panels? And the cost difference should be minimal anyway. But check that it can have a flydoor fitted - many brands don't take a flydoor without adding an expensive track. Ed The difference is in the track itself. A 4 panel stack door will need a quad track, a bi-part slider (2 fixed 2 slide) will use a double track. So the stack door will be more expensive. Its more than likely the builder will make more $$ out of making you change to the bi-part slider, as it will cost them less. Yes, I know all that... maybe 30kgs of aluminium extra for a stacker... but 1 handle less than a biparting slider. Little difference. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Forced to use Stacker Doors 16Jul 21, 2009 11:14 pm Thanks for all your info! I think the maximum sliding door size the door maker will go is 4.8m(4 panel). So we were over by 40cm. Got a call from the builder administrator this morning and they were going to charge us $2000 extra for the stackers. So she suggested doing 2 fixed glass panel at each side(each at 390mm) and use a smaller slider door(4.3m wide). But we wanted to have a wide opening to the alfresco and tt's not going to do it. And then the wife took over. She rang them up and insisted that it was the fault's of the builder and requested the stackers to be thrown in at no cost. Story short...Wife 1. Builder 0. So we're getting a 6 panel stacker doors at no cost. Wuhoo. Where would u be without an angry woman. weblog: http://www.smoobox.com.au/blog/ 24/07/09 - Siteworks 03/08/09 - Slabwork Done 25/08/09 - Brickwork Done 30/09/09 - Roof Done 29/10/09 - Locked Out! Re: Forced to use Stacker Doors 17Jul 21, 2009 11:34 pm hazzarama Thanks for all your info! I think the maximum sliding door size the door maker will go is 4.8m(4 panel). So we were over by 40cm. Got a call from the builder administrator this morning and they were going to charge us $2000 extra for the stackers. So she suggested doing 2 fixed glass panel at each side(each at 390mm) and use a smaller slider door(4.3m wide). But we wanted to have a wide opening to the alfresco and tt's not going to do it. And then the wife took over. She rang them up and insisted that it was the fault's of the builder and requested the stackers to be thrown in at no cost. Story short...Wife 1. Builder 0. So we're getting a 6 panel stacker doors at no cost. Wuhoo. Where would u be without an angry woman. I can supply the whole door for your upgrade price (double glazed too). Well done hazzarama's wife... Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 What do you need them to withstand? If it's normal wear and tear, then either will do, if you want resistance to ingress then laminated would be the favourite, but only… 1 12391 Sure looks like the type of track that I fitted to my house. My supplier said that the underside has a tray which drains to the front. They cut vertical slots in it. So as… 6 7906 That sucks! Hope it all works out. Good to move away from steel anyway for all your reasons, but it's also thermally poor. 16 17890 |