Browse Forums Windows & Doors 1 May 28, 2009 11:35 pm hi all - i have posted this query in the windows & doors forum, but thought you guys might have some ideas aswell... i have been quoted just over $1700.00 by my builder for barrier screens - 14 sashes, double sliding doors and 1 hinged - is it worth the money if these barrier screens do not meet australian standards? i don't have a problem spending the money if they will do the job properly, however don't like the idea of spending the extra money only to find that they are useless even if i do just go with the fly screens that are offered as standard by the builder for the windows, i would still leave the 2 sliders and the screen door as barrier screens... any opinions? 2014 - Prepping to build the Soho 4 with Plantation homes, industrial style 2009 - Built the Brampton with Coral Homes viewtopic.php?f=31&t=15399&start=280 Re: are security screens worth it if they don't meet a standards 2May 28, 2009 11:53 pm I'm not sure on the quality standard that they are so I cannot say; however, from my personal view, if it doesn't meet Australian Standards, it's not worth my money. Re: are security screens worth it if they don't meet a standards 3May 29, 2009 12:00 am thanks bigred there are lots of things that aren't worth your money - food, linen, furniture that doesn't involve beer, tv or pool... classic... i personally have no idea about the australian standards - i'm only concerned because another forum member has done some research and apparantly the barrier screens coral offers don't meet australian standards so she deleted hers...i just don't want to waste good money! 2014 - Prepping to build the Soho 4 with Plantation homes, industrial style 2009 - Built the Brampton with Coral Homes viewtopic.php?f=31&t=15399&start=280 Re: are security screens worth it if they don't meet a standards 4May 29, 2009 12:31 am Heh, I just don't trust things that don't meet Australian Standards. Thankfully VB meets all of Australia's standards. Re: are security screens worth it if they don't meet a standards 5May 29, 2009 7:31 am Building with Coral 2009 thanks bigred there are lots of things that aren't worth your money - food, linen, furniture that doesn't involve beer, tv or pool... classic... i personally have no idea about the australian standards - i'm only concerned because another forum member has done some research and apparantly the barrier screens coral offers don't meet australian standards so she deleted hers...i just don't want to waste good money! Detailed reply in your other post... but tell Coral they can't do that - they are still liable... I promise... Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: are security screens worth it if they don't meet a standards 6May 29, 2009 3:03 pm Not sure if it helps at all, but we are just getting the Fly screens from Coral & will look to go to Crimsafe (or an alternative, SecureView/Clearguard) after handover. All these guys do meet the AS. Re: are security screens worth it if they don't meet a standards 8May 30, 2009 12:51 pm Can I ask: is it a Brissie "thing" to have security screens on windows? You don't see it much here. I know lots of people who leave their windows open at night (not me, I'm a horribly light sleeper, can't handle the extra noise of traffic, neighbours, or even crickets ), but we usually just have flyscreens to keep the mozzies out.... I notice a lot of things are popular in some states, but not others. Re: are security screens worth it if they don't meet a standards 9May 30, 2009 1:07 pm OMG How can someone sell something that doesn't meet the Standards? Isn't that illegal? Cheers No, you're not obliged to meet standards (most of the time) - but if you don't and something happens you're just liable... But some people think they can avoid standards by calling the product something else... oh, I know it had 4 wheels and a motor - but they weren't supposed to get in and drive it... I called it a door stop... Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: are security screens worth it if they don't meet a standards 10May 30, 2009 5:50 pm kek Can I ask: is it a Brissie "thing" to have security screens on windows? You don't see it much here. I know lots of people who leave their windows open at night (not me, I'm a horribly light sleeper, can't handle the extra noise of traffic, neighbours, or even crickets ), but we usually just have flyscreens to keep the mozzies out.... I notice a lot of things are popular in some states, but not others. Yes, Qld has security screens on almost every openable window. I think mainly because people like to leave windows open almost all the time, even when not home. They look pretty awful - the diamond grille against glass on the openable sash. The best look comes from having black grille so it doesn't stand out. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: are security screens worth it if they don't meet a standards 11May 30, 2009 6:05 pm ed @ EcoClassic Yes, Qld has security screens on almost every openable window. I think mainly because people like to leave windows open almost all the time, even when not home. They look pretty awful - the diamond grille against glass on the openable sash. The best look comes from having black grille so it doesn't stand out. Ed I disagree completely and i've been here for 19 years. It's fairly common to have a security door on your front door and sliding doors but hardly any houses have security screens on their windows. Maybe its common in Inala or Caboolture *ducks for cover* Al & Caitie- Building the Hamilton 278 (Coral) at Narangba Re: are security screens worth it if they don't meet a standards 12May 30, 2009 6:36 pm alk ed @ EcoClassic Yes, Qld has security screens on almost every openable window. I think mainly because people like to leave windows open almost all the time, even when not home. They look pretty awful - the diamond grille against glass on the openable sash. The best look comes from having black grille so it doesn't stand out. Ed I disagree completely and i've been here for 19 years. It's fairly common to have a security door on your front door and sliding doors but hardly any houses have security screens on their windows. Maybe its common in Inala or Caboolture *ducks for cover* You're there and I am not - but I ran a window company in SE Qld (Brisbane - Coolangatta) and that was what I found... "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: are security screens worth it if they don't meet a standards 13Jun 01, 2009 12:19 pm I value your opinion mate especially since you owned a business up here but i've lived in many estates over the years and you can see just driving around the roads that so few have security screens on windows. Security screens on doors is very common, yes. EDIT - I agree their may be more here than down south but they definatly aren't on just about every house which is how I interpreted your first post. Al & Caitie- Building the Hamilton 278 (Coral) at Narangba Re: are security screens worth it if they don't meet a standards 14Jun 01, 2009 4:07 pm alk I value your opinion mate especially since you owned a business up here but i've lived in many estates over the years and you can see just driving around the roads that so few have security screens on windows. Security screens on doors is very common, yes. EDIT - I agree their may be more here than down south but they definatly aren't on just about every house which is how I interpreted your first post. I accept what you say, maybe we are looking at it from different perspectives. My customers in Qld almost always took security screens... Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: are security screens worth it if they don't meet a standards 15Jun 01, 2009 6:00 pm I'm in QLD and every house I've lived in (either rented or owned myself) has had security screens on both doors and windows. As Ed mentioned, I do like to keep the windows open during the day and night (only occasionally shut them when we go out if it looks like it's going to rain) so I think it's essential! We will be getting diamond grille on all the windows and crimsafe on the front door and sliding doors after handover (builder wanted to charge a ridiculous amount). Sorry, I don't know much about the AS standards Love Kristi Living the dream. 4 horsey acres in the country. What's the next project??? Re: are security screens worth it if they don't meet a standards 16Jun 14, 2009 6:50 am I've never lived in a rental without security screens. I only jsut found out that not all of them will actually secure your house (it's amazing waht having children will do to your research direction). Anyone know how to tell what will and what won't? The only thing I thought of doing, would be to ring around insurance companies and see what they say re brands. I'm looking for a screen that will keep the bad guys out and insurance costs down...yeah, bad guys out. ha ha. Re: are security screens worth it if they don't meet a standards 17Jun 14, 2009 8:05 am will0305 I've never lived in a rental without security screens. I only jsut found out that not all of them will actually secure your house (it's amazing waht having children will do to your research direction). Anyone know how to tell what will and what won't? The only thing I thought of doing, would be to ring around insurance companies and see what they say re brands. I'm looking for a screen that will keep the bad guys out and insurance costs down...yeah, bad guys out. ha ha. If you know the brand you can ask the manufacturer. But you can't tell just by looking as they have to pass a physical test. It would be interesting to see where a landlord sat in relation to a break in through non-standard "security" screens. If the electrical system was sub standard I think they would fry him... Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: are security screens worth it if they don't meet a standards 18Jun 14, 2009 8:30 am I would imagine a landlord would sit rather well considering the insurance won't cover you unless all your windows are not only closed, but actually locked with a key; it kind of negates security screens in the first place doesn't it? I have noticed a trend in newer estates to not have security screens. Took a quick drive around the newest one in our area this morning after work. I Wonder If it's because they are using that crimsafe type stuff or if there is actually a move away from them for aesthetic reasons. Re: are security screens worth it if they don't meet a standards 19Jun 14, 2009 8:46 am will0305 I would imagine a landlord would sit rather well considering the insurance won't cover you unless all your windows are not only closed, but actually locked with a key; it kind of negates security screens in the first place doesn't it? I think the landlord will be liable if he has advertised a property with security screens, nothing to do with insurance - it's liability. I mentioned in another thread a major supplier in Qld was successfully sued for a break in when non-standard security screens had been supplied. will0305 I have noticed a trend in newer estates to not have security screens. Took a quick drive around the newest one in our area this morning after work. I Wonder If it's because they are using that crimsafe type stuff or if there is actually a move away from them for aesthetic reasons. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: are security screens worth it if they don't meet a standards 20Jun 14, 2009 8:54 am Now this is different to the norm in SA too - I have noticed many newer houses do not have any security or screen door on their external doors (we have one on front door and sliding doors but not the laundry - more so we can have main door open and let breeze in but not flies), I think this is partly a cost saver and partly because people like feature doors and do not want to hide them behind screens - ie aesthetic reasons. However all new houses still have ordinary flyscreens, this is not seen as an add-on but is just the norm, we did not have to pay any extra for these, its in the standard specifications with our builder and I think with other builders here too - you just dont see a house built without flyscreens on windows. Hi everyone. I am a single mother with little daughter, living in a small tourist town in WA Australia. I am thinking to install security screens to all the doors and… 0 25187 Building Standards; Getting It Right! Don't think they are designed for double brick. WA has a particular way of building and unfortunately that's the way a large amount of sills are finished. 3 7014 I believe this is correct. From the picture you can see the power was put in last so the electrician knew where the water was. Really it's a common sense issue more… 4 5161 |