Browse Forums Windows & Doors 1 May 15, 2009 8:00 pm Hi, I have heard that it is quite common to have custom windows arrive on site, made to the wrong size although the window company has physically measured openings prior to manufacture. Is anyone aware of any measuring techiques or companies that avoid this. Regards Eamon Re: Wrong window sizes 2May 15, 2009 8:28 pm Its not that common, frame manufacturer's normally ring up the window company for there stud opening sizes for the job, which normally means the window company wont need to measure the openings which keeps the building process moving along. Re: Wrong window sizes 3May 15, 2009 8:30 pm best thing is that the window companie and the carpenters to work off the plan. Before getting the windows delivered or made for that matter, ask for a stud open card. Tell you carpenter to make the stud openings as per the stud card. If there is a major difference then follow up. If they appearto be right and then the window companie still delivers the wrong size get them to fix it. Re: Wrong window sizes 4May 15, 2009 11:15 pm Generally window companies quote and offer their own standard sizes (which are usually brick sizes). The window co provides a carpenter's copy of opening sizes that the frame openings are made to. If there is a problem it's often that the frame openings are wrong rather than the window. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Wrong window sizes 6Jun 17, 2009 7:56 pm Hi again, If the builder has built the frame openings too big or too small, how difficult is this to modify in order to get the window to fit ? Regards Eamon Re: Wrong window sizes 7Jun 17, 2009 10:34 pm eamoncronin Hi again, If the builder has built the frame openings too big or too small, how difficult is this to modify in order to get the window to fit ? Regards Eamon It's the builder's respomsibility... but if they are too big then it's very easy to pack the opening - if the opening is too small it's a little more difficult, but possible Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Wrong window sizes 8Jun 17, 2009 11:55 pm eamoncronin Hi again, If the builder has built the frame openings too big or too small, how difficult is this to modify in order to get the window to fit ? Regards Eamon If the opening is too big thats a simple fix that shouldn't take long to rectify to pack some floating jambs in, if the opening is too high its a little more work but not that much of a pain. If the opening is too small in width this is a pretty big change, especially if the roof is on. Even if its the window company's fault its almost always cheaper to alter the openings unless there is steelwork or something involved, at the window company's expense of course. Re: Wrong window sizes 9Jun 18, 2009 8:59 am nomad Even if its the window company's fault its almost always cheaper to alter the openings unless there is steelwork or something involved, at the window company's expense of course. The most unlikely scenario is the frame was made to the wrong sizes. It's the builder's job to specify openings, he does this by specifying window sizes and the window Co. gives the builder a chippy's copy - that is a copy of the sizes plus allowances (usually 20mmm all round). I have never paid for an incorrect opening size... because it has never been my fault. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Wrong window sizes 10Jun 18, 2009 12:11 pm ed @ EcoClassic nomad Even if its the window company's fault its almost always cheaper to alter the openings unless there is steelwork or something involved, at the window company's expense of course. The most unlikely scenario is the frame was made to the wrong sizes. It's the builder's job to specify openings, he does this by specifying window sizes and the window Co. gives the builder a chippy's copy - that is a copy of the sizes plus allowances (usually 20mmm all round). I have never paid for an incorrect opening size... because it has never been my fault. Ed All though unlikely it can and does happen Ed, communication is often the biggest culprit. You say builders specify openings, does that mean you don't take sizes from plans? As i understand a lot of window company's do, but if your requiring the builder to give you the written sizes then i guess your very well covered from blame. Re: Wrong window sizes 11Jun 18, 2009 12:30 pm nomad ed @ EcoClassic nomad Even if its the window company's fault its almost always cheaper to alter the openings unless there is steelwork or something involved, at the window company's expense of course. The most unlikely scenario is the frame was made to the wrong sizes. It's the builder's job to specify openings, he does this by specifying window sizes and the window Co. gives the builder a chippy's copy - that is a copy of the sizes plus allowances (usually 20mmm all round). I have never paid for an incorrect opening size... because it has never been my fault. Ed All though unlikely it can and does happen Ed, communication is often the biggest culprit. You say builders specify openings, does that mean you don't take sizes from plans? As i understand a lot of window company's do, but if your requiring the builder to give you the written sizes then i guess your very well covered from blame. The process is: -
Builder approves take-off Window supplier provides frame opening sizes to builder who supplies these to framer Frame supplier/carpenter builds frame The most likely cause of an error: -
2 a different supplier's window opening given to framer 3 the wrong plan given to carpenter Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Wrong window sizes 12Jun 18, 2009 1:07 pm ed @ EcoClassic The process is: -
Builder approves take-off Window supplier provides frame opening sizes to builder who supplies these to framer Frame supplier/carpenter builds frame The most likely cause of an error: -
2 a different supplier's window opening given to framer 3 the wrong plan given to carpenter Ed It must be nice to be in a position where you wont be held accountable even if you do make an error on the take off, because it is expected that the builder will double check every dimension. Re: Wrong window sizes 13Jun 18, 2009 1:48 pm nomad ed @ EcoClassic The process is: -
Builder approves take-off Window supplier provides frame opening sizes to builder who supplies these to framer Frame supplier/carpenter builds frame The most likely cause of an error: -
2 a different supplier's window opening given to framer 3 the wrong plan given to carpenter Ed It must be nice to be in a position where you wont be held accountable even if you do make an error on the take off, because it is expected that the builder will double check every dimension. I would not know... I am always accountable. If we make an error on a take-off we admit that and do the necessary... perhaps you have different experience... obviously with a different supplier. It is pretty easy to see if an error was made - on one hand you have the drawing, on the other the window schedule. But if a builder signs the quotation (and we always insist on a signature) and what was quoted was a reasonable interpretation of the plans and that is not what he wanted or his drawing was wrong - he should pay... Sometimes the elevations and plans don't match, then we ask... Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Wrong window sizes 14Jun 18, 2009 2:49 pm ed @ EcoClassic I would not know... I am always accountable. If we make an error on a take-off we admit that and do the necessary Ed That sounds good Ed ed @ EcoClassic perhaps you have different experience... obviously with a different supplier. Ed No just with what you said earlier "It's the builder's job to specify openings, he does this by specifying window sizes" I found a little contradicting. ed @ EcoClassic But if a builder signs the quotation (and we always insist on a signature) and what was quoted was a reasonable interpretation of the plans and that is not what he wanted or his drawing was wrong - he should pay...Ed 100% agree here ed @ EcoClassic Sometimes the elevations and plans don't match, then we ask... Ed This is a rather annoying problem Re: Wrong window sizes 15Jun 18, 2009 3:02 pm nomad ed @ EcoClassic I would not know... I am always accountable. If we make an error on a take-off we admit that and do the necessary Ed That sounds good Ed ed @ EcoClassic perhaps you have different experience... obviously with a different supplier. Ed No just with what you said earlier "It's the builder's job to specify openings, he does this by specifying window sizes" I found a little contradicting. ed @ EcoClassic But if a builder signs the quotation (and we always insist on a signature) and what was quoted was a reasonable interpretation of the plans and that is not what he wanted or his drawing was wrong - he should pay...Ed 100% agree here ed @ EcoClassic Sometimes the elevations and plans don't match, then we ask... Ed This is a rather annoying problem "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 I have a box of quality drill bits that seem to be new but their engraved sizes covered by rust ,,,,I tried to sand them to see their sizes but still I am finding… 0 1440 2 31357 there is only 20% difference in concrete strength between 20 mpa and 25 mpa, so check with your engineer first if it fits his calculation tolerances. There are ways to… 6 18304 |