Browse Forums Windows & Doors 1 May 02, 2009 5:40 am Hi, I'm off to China shortly and plan to order double glaze glass for our whole house. Any idea what specs I need to have from my builder? The glass is manufactured by the factory in different dimensions but should I just order large sheets and have them cut to size here in Australia or should I provide the exact specs for each glass to the manufacturer. Thanks Re: Double Glaze Glass Import - Specs 2May 02, 2009 7:51 am rmargoss Hi, I'm off to China shortly and plan to order double glaze glass for our whole house. Any idea what specs I need to have from my builder? The glass is manufactured by the factory in different dimensions but should I just order large sheets and have them cut to size here in Australia or should I provide the exact specs for each glass to the manufacturer. Thanks You are in a minefield - windows or glass? Sheets of glass or double glazed units? Clear or toughened? Toughened to Australian standards? & you can't cut toughened. If it's windows, are they to Australian standards? Are they easy to install - or your builder will charge you for fitting reveals to windows not designed to take them. Then you have to get it into the country and into your home. I have imported from China for 12 years. Enjoy a holiday instead... for one house you won't save money - it will cost you more than it will here. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Double Glaze Glass Import - Specs 3May 02, 2009 8:41 am you might want to get in touch with Chris. He imported windows from Poland. Windows from Europe are still a much better choice and quality compared to China. And EN is very smilar to NZS/AS and accepted here. Change is what we need! Can we? YES WE CAN!!!!! Re: Double Glaze Glass Import - Specs 4May 02, 2009 9:35 am windowexpert you might want to get in touch with Chris. He imported windows from Poland. Windows from Europe are still a much better choice and quality compared to China. And EN is very smilar to NZS/AS and accepted here. Nonsense... sorry windowexpert but you don't know what you are talking about here. Feel free to visit my factories in China or come to Hallam (it's a quicker flight). "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Double Glaze Glass Import - Specs 5May 02, 2009 10:34 am I can only tell from what I see around here. The poorest of workkmanship and quality I have a box full of China extrusions as I looked down that path myself at some stage. No thank you thanks!!! Other reasons why I don't touch China extrusions: low environmental standards in the manufacturing of PVCu most China PVCu is not lead free which is a health and evironmental hazard plus it makes recycling difficult working conditions are poor in China (in some cases even children are working in hazardous conditions) Change is what we need! Can we? YES WE CAN!!!!! Re: Double Glaze Glass Import - Specs 6May 02, 2009 11:55 am windowexpert I can only tell from what I see around here. The poorest of workkmanship and quality So you judge China on what you see in NZ... the poorest workmanship and quality... and who provided that in NZ? Who specified that in NZ? Kiwis... windowexpert I have a box full of China extrusions as I looked down that path myself at some stage. No thank you thanks!!! Other reasons why I don't touch China extrusions: low environmental standards in the manufacturing of PVCu most China PVCu is not lead free which is a health and evironmental hazard plus it makes recycling difficult working conditions are poor in China (in some cases even children are working in hazardous conditions) Look, you have no idea what you are talking about. I had lead free PVC 5 years ago, before Kommerling who came to me to claim they were first. My factory has NC machines and batching. Children? You're kidding - I have been many times and I am guessing you never... Stick to talking about what you know... I have never seen children working in China (except in schools or homework)... Kommerling, Veka and Rehau all manufacture in China - maybe that's where the kids are Oh and Nokia have 3 factories - maybe you have heard of them. Think before you speak... Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Double Glaze Glass Import - Specs 7May 02, 2009 12:15 pm Denial is one way to deal with reality: http://www.china-labour.org.hk/en/node/15889 The reality of China is economic growth with total disregard for humans or the environment.(with exeptions as always) And the quality is still a big problem thats why some European companies pull out of China. By the way we don't buy Kommerling from China. Change is what we need! Can we? YES WE CAN!!!!! Re: Double Glaze Glass Import - Specs 8May 02, 2009 12:26 pm windowexpert Denial is one way to deal with reality: windowexpert And the quality is still a big problem thats why some European companies pull out of China. name 2 windowexpert By the way we don't buy Kommerling from China. And how would you know... Oh the salesman told me... Here's an article might interest you... It expresses the concerns of the NZ police, it's not a pseudo political organisation dedicated to trying to drum up interest in unionism. http://www.police.govt.nz/resources/2002/child-labour/ Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Double Glaze Glass Import - Specs 9May 02, 2009 1:04 pm Your link does not relate to the subject. The container comes from Germany and the Kommerling China extrusion is also different with thinner walls and less quality surface. The chinese don't care about the environment, about minorities, about human rights or anything. They go over dead bodies for economic growth and power. They throw lead into toys for more profit, they throw all sort of rubbish (such as melamine) into food for profit. These people have no ethnics when it comes to making profit. If you like to do biz with such crowd , good on you. I think free trade with China was a big mistake of the NZ government. Change is what we need! Can we? YES WE CAN!!!!! Re: Double Glaze Glass Import - Specs 10May 02, 2009 1:32 pm windowexpert Your link does not relate to the subject. You're right it relates to your uninformed bias when it comes to anything Chinese. This link talks about child labour in NZ which you dismiss as "does not relate to the subject". You are happy to quote pseudo political hype when it suits you... windowexpert The container comes from Germany and the Kommerling China extrusion is also different with thinner walls and less quality surface. This is just plain stupid... they are Kommerling profiles, so one presumes Kommerling controls the drawings, the tool manufacture - or does China just use random sizes... So what Kommerling makes in China, Kommerling specifies. I don't believe you... windowexpert The chinese don't care about the environment, about minorities, about human rights or anything. They go over dead bodies for economic growth and power. They throw lead into toys for more profit, they throw all sort of rubbish (such as melamine) into food for profit. These people have no ethnics when it comes to making profit. If you like to do biz with such crowd , good on you. I think free trade with China was a big mistake of the NZ government. The continuous strive for profit knows no geographic or ethic bounds... just look at the asbestos problems across the world. In fact, just look... get yourself better informed and hopefully, less biased. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Double Glaze Glass Import - Specs 11May 02, 2009 2:59 pm Try it out for yourself and save yourself from biased greenies and human right groups other things you don't like to hear Change is what we need! Can we? YES WE CAN!!!!! Re: Double Glaze Glass Import - Specs 12May 02, 2009 3:06 pm windowexpert Try it out for yourself and save yourself from biased greenies and human right groups other things you don't like to hear "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Double Glaze Glass Import - Specs 13May 02, 2009 5:01 pm I'm not sure about wisdom of inserting my 2 pennyworth into this political spat. Anyway, I've decided to import uPVC from Poland because: - The Chinese don't yet make the tilt and turn, which I particularly want. - I'm getting quality German extrusions and mechanisms (Rehau), and Pilkington glass (or whatever it's called now). - No local supplier was able to match the final cost of my windows. - I speak fluent Polish and know the way they operate over there. - It's an adventure and an eye opening experience. In this order of precedence. Chris My father rode a camel, I drive a car, my son flies in a jetliner, his son will ride a camel.Saudi saying Re: Double Glaze Glass Import - Specs 14May 02, 2009 5:59 pm kristofw I'm not sure about wisdom of inserting my 2 pennyworth into this political spat. Anyway, I've decided to import uPVC from Poland because: - The Chinese don't yet make the tilt and turn, which I particularly want. - I'm getting quality German extrusions and mechanisms (Rehau), and Pilkington glass (or whatever it's called now). - No local supplier was able to match the final cost of my windows. - I speak fluent Polish and know the way they operate over there. - It's an adventure and an eye opening experience. In this order of precedence. Chris We have had the tilt & turn from day one . We have the German hardware. I can match your price . I speak fluent English ... I can't give you an adventure Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Double Glaze Glass Import - Specs 15May 02, 2009 11:20 pm There are still years to come before the china window can measure up to the german system despite the fact that they are world champion in stealing designs and copy rights Change is what we need! Can we? YES WE CAN!!!!! Re: Double Glaze Glass Import - Specs 16May 03, 2009 7:24 am windowexpert There are still years to come before the china window can measure up to the german system despite the fact that they are world champion in stealing designs and copy rights I guess if you visited, you would see the merits of their system, it's only been going 5,000 years... Designs and copyrights... I know a world famous hardware designer who registered a patent for something which was copied... tell me, who downloads the most illegal music and movies? But you're the expert... Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Double Glaze Glass Import - Specs 17May 03, 2009 9:02 am You veer of the subject again We are talking about the china copies of european PVCu windows which are not quite up to the quality. No talk about traditional chinese windows. I am sure these windows were nicely done. Sadly how a place with such old culture and history has gone down the cheap and nasty path..... Change is what we need! Can we? YES WE CAN!!!!! Re: Double Glaze Glass Import - Specs 18May 03, 2009 9:24 am windowexpert You veer of the subject again We are talking about the china copies of european PVCu windows which are not quite up to the quality. No talk about traditional chinese windows. I am sure these windows were nicely done. Sadly how a place with such old culture and history has gone down the cheap and nasty path..... Show me what's original about uPVC profiles from any country... show me what's original about aluminium profiles from any country. If they are copies, let them be sued... it's that easy. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Double Glaze Glass Import - Specs 19May 03, 2009 2:07 pm Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ (copyright Chuffin @ Flickr) I draw a line in the sand... China has its problems, but it is a great nation which will grow back to be a great power. As for windows, when I went there to show them how it was done, instead they taught me. They have developed a much better Low-E glass than the West, when I ask for anything, they say "no problem" and mean it. With a huge peasant population that lives on tiny wages and massive pressures from the West to revalue their currency for the West's sake, they do well to survive in today's economic climate. China represents 20% of the World's population and has many harsh realities to sort out, like their single child policy - absolutely necessary, but could you see a Western country doing that? I think democracy in China today would mean anarchy... They have had 5,000 years working to a different rule book, now they have opened the door to the West and we expect them to adapt to our rules... both sides need to compromise. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Double Glaze Glass Import - Specs 20May 05, 2009 7:47 pm Look, at the recent home show in Melb, some of the locally made tilt and turn pvc were awesome. I know it's going to cost me around 35k to have double glazing but I refuse to spend that amount of money when the Europeans can do it cheaper and have higher window standards than Australia anyway. 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