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Can anyone advise me on how Tilt-Turn UPVC windows actually open when they are "turning" rather than "tilting"? Coming originally from the UK, I am used to my windows opening outwards, however it seems the tilt turn windows here open inwards. 3 questions - 1. Does an inward opening window not take up a lot of the room space when it is opened inward? 2. Is there not a safety risk of people walking into an open window protruding into the room? 3. If a tilt turn window is installed next to a fixed window of equal size, can the tilt turn window open right back against the fixed pane, and is there a fixing available to prevent it from swinging back again? Thanks any UPVC window manufacturers or owners out there..... JB Re: Tilt turn UPVC windows 2Feb 14, 2009 10:21 am James Bond Hi guys Can anyone advise me on how Tilt-Turn UPVC windows actually open when they are "turning" rather than "tilting"? Coming originally from the UK, I am used to my windows opening outwards, however it seems the tilt turn windows here open inwards. 3 questions - 1. Does an inward opening window not take up a lot of the room space when it is opened inward? 2. Is there not a safety risk of people walking into an open window protruding into the room? 3. If a tilt turn window is installed next to a fixed window of equal size, can the tilt turn window open right back against the fixed pane, and is there a fixing available to prevent it from swinging back again? Thanks any UPVC window manufacturers or owners out there..... JB Hi, Tilt and turn originate from Germany and Austria. Tilt and turn can be tilted which provides ventilation similar to the awning window and with the turn of the handle it opens fully. This is a big advantage as awning windows can be quite anoying as they dont open fully and if fitted with security stays they can prevent egress in case of fire. Q1 T and T doesn't take room when it is tilted and if the sash width is not too wide it does not come very far into the room when it is fully opened. Q2 There is a much greater risk of head banging outside especially in deck situations and kids tend to run more and faster outside. Q3 Yes in this case it can and it is quite popular over here. It can be easily held back with a ball and socket or magnet fitting. Every system comes with advantages and disadvantages but the tilt and turn is over all very convenient and easy to operate. The hardware is adjustable. The multi-point locking provides great security. The use of tilt and turn in growing worldwide and hundreds of millions of people use them for decades now. Change is what we need! Can we? YES WE CAN!!!!! Re: Tilt turn UPVC windows 3Feb 14, 2009 11:03 am James Bond Hi guys Can anyone advise me on how Tilt-Turn UPVC windows actually open when they are "turning" rather than "tilting"? Coming originally from the UK, I am used to my windows opening outwards, however it seems the tilt turn windows here open inwards. 3 questions - 1. Does an inward opening window not take up a lot of the room space when it is opened inward? James Bond 2. Is there not a safety risk of people walking into an open window protruding into the room? Probably about as much risk as someone walking into the sash exposed outside (except on 1st floor - but I will get to that). James Bond 3. If a tilt turn window is installed next to a fixed window of equal size, can the tilt turn window open right back against the fixed pane, and is there a fixing available to prevent it from swinging back again? It has no independent means of fastening it back in a casement style opening. But you would have the hinge on the reveal side away from the fixed light, so that the opening sash would open against the reveal. In a first floor situation with the opening window not more than 1000mm off the floor, the casement opening would need to be restricted to 150mm opening to comply. Being a European design, the window design ignores our fly population. You can fit a flyscreen, but the only practical way of fitting the screen is on the outside face of the frame using screws - and this does not look good. All our other PVC windows have patented flyscreens incoporated into the design - this window needs to have new tooling made before we can achieve this. If you would like to see the window in real life we have one in our showroom - feel free to visit. It comes in oak, mahogany, pale cream, charcoal and white, all with a white interior. "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Tilt turn UPVC windows 4Feb 14, 2009 2:29 pm Q3 again
The windows can be hinged on the reveal side OR on the centre post. We do mostly the centre post as this enables the sash to fold back against the fixed part and our clients love it. As I said before you can use a magnet or ball and socket. Being European designed means NOT that it isn't designed for insect screens. We use Rollawy type screens on the outside. Haveing the screen the "European way" (outside) means you never need to remove the screen to access the window for operation as you always need to do if the screen is inside. Change is what we need! Can we? YES WE CAN!!!!! Re: Tilt turn UPVC windows 5Feb 14, 2009 3:00 pm ed @ EcoClassic In a first floor situation with the opening window not more than 1000mm off the floor, the casement opening would need to be restricted to 150mm opening to comply. Thanks for your responses. I would like to understand this part. If I have a tilt turn window opening, will it not be able to open more than 150mm into the room if the window height is 900mm off the floor on the 1st floor of the house? Thanks JB Re: Tilt turn UPVC windows 6Feb 14, 2009 3:31 pm James Bond ed @ EcoClassic In a first floor situation with the opening window not more than 1000mm off the floor, the casement opening would need to be restricted to 150mm opening to comply. Thanks for your responses. I would like to understand this part. If I have a tilt turn window opening, will it not be able to open more than 150mm into the room if the window height is 900mm off the floor on the 1st floor of the house? Thanks JB In an upstairs situation any fully opening window must be 1000mm above the floor to prevent someone falling out. If it is less you need to install a restrictor to 150mm. The better option is exterior balustrading if the window is very low. If the window is is just below 1000mm a rail will do the job as well. Change is what we need! Can we? YES WE CAN!!!!! Re: Tilt turn UPVC windows 7Feb 14, 2009 3:45 pm windowexpert James Bond ed @ EcoClassic In a first floor situation with the opening window not more than 1000mm off the floor, the casement opening would need to be restricted to 150mm opening to comply. Thanks for your responses. I would like to understand this part. If I have a tilt turn window opening, will it not be able to open more than 150mm into the room if the window height is 900mm off the floor on the 1st floor of the house? Thanks JB In an upstairs situation any fully opening window must be 1000mm above the floor to prevent someone falling out. If it is less you need to install a restrictor to 150mm. The better option is exterior balustrading if the window is very low. If the window is is just below 1000mm a rail will do the job as well. That's very helpful. I'll have to work this bit out. The base of the bottom reveal of the windows is specified at 900mm above FFL. I wonder if the reveal + the frame of the window will = 100mm and therefore allow us to comply. Probably not JB Re: Tilt turn UPVC windows 8Feb 14, 2009 3:51 pm 1000mm from the finished floor to the top edge of the window frame (open window)
If you want to go a bit ower you can install an unobstructive rail in 1000 mm height on the outside of the frame. Change is what we need! Can we? YES WE CAN!!!!! Re: Tilt turn UPVC windows 9Feb 14, 2009 4:03 pm windowexpert 1000mm from the finished floor to the top edge of the window frame (open window) If you want to go a bit ower you can install an unobstructive rail in 1000 mm height on the outside of the frame. OK, so in that case the window would have to open inward, otherwise it would hit the rail. Thanks for your help, much appreciated. JB Re: Tilt turn UPVC windows 10Feb 14, 2009 4:09 pm The rail works for inwards opening or sliders only.
Personally I would never want a window with restrictor. Change is what we need! Can we? YES WE CAN!!!!! Re: Tilt turn UPVC windows 11Feb 14, 2009 7:13 pm windowexpert Being European designed means NOT that it isn't designed for insect screens. We use Rollawy type screens on the outside. Haveing the screen the "European way" (outside) means you never need to remove the screen to access the window for operation as you always need to do if the screen is inside. Sorry Windowexpert, that is incorrect - the screens on all of our windows except the Tilt & Turn and the Double Hung are internal and never need to be removed to operate the sash (the double hung window screen likewise does not need to be removed.) - that's awning, casement and sliding all internal with full operation of the window without touching the screen. It is patented. We will. shortly have the same for til & turn. Screens on the outside detract from the appearance of the window making the glass on the opening sash look dull. If the screen is stored in a cassette which protrudes with side guides attached to the frame I feel this really destroys the look of the window - and a face fitted fixed screen would look much better. IMO, roller screens are ugly when fitted inside and even uglier outside. I am from Europe and have never seen these in use. Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Tilt turn UPVC windows 12Feb 14, 2009 7:17 pm James Bond windowexpert 1000mm from the finished floor to the top edge of the window frame (open window) If you want to go a bit ower you can install an unobstructive rail in 1000 mm height on the outside of the frame. OK, so in that case the window would have to open inward, otherwise it would hit the rail. Thanks for your help, much appreciated. JB Your alternatives are: -
Have a low light with a transom at 1000mm and the sash above. Or the most common - restrict the opening Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Tilt turn UPVC windows 13Feb 14, 2009 8:54 pm The Rollaway is a system that originates in Europe.
our system is similar and it can be fully integrated into roller shutters or used seperately. Our system comes from one of the world's leading PVCu extruders. Obviously the screen is present but it has a very smart appearance whether it is inside or outside and it is very practical. We get lots great comments about our whole window/door system and its tidy and clean appearance. Beside the European quality it is the finer details that make the difference. Change is what we need! Can we? YES WE CAN!!!!! Re: Tilt turn UPVC windows 14Feb 14, 2009 9:14 pm windowexpert The Rollaway is a system that originates in Europe. our system is similar and it can be fully integrated into roller shutters or used seperately. Our system comes from one of the world's leading PVCu extruders. Obviously the screen is present but it has a very smart appearance whether it is inside or outside and it is very practical. We get lots great comments about our whole window/door system and its tidy and clean appearance. Beside the European quality it is the finer details that make the difference. I know the roller systems, I have seen them, and tried them on our windows, I just don't like them and don't think they are good enough and that is why we don't use them - and also why we designed integrated screens, for aesthetic and ease of use reasons. Roller screens are also very expensive... Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Tilt turn UPVC windows 15Feb 16, 2009 1:32 pm windowexpert 1000mm from the finished floor to the top edge of the window frame (open window) If you want to go a bit ower you can install an unobstructive rail in 1000 mm height on the outside of the frame. I don't suppose anyone knows where I could get a picture of the type of rail you mean? I think this is the easiest option for us but I don't want it to look like a transom. JB Re: Tilt turn UPVC windows 16Feb 16, 2009 7:24 pm James Bond windowexpert 1000mm from the finished floor to the top edge of the window frame (open window) If you want to go a bit ower you can install an unobstructive rail in 1000 mm height on the outside of the frame. I don't suppose anyone knows where I could get a picture of the type of rail you mean? I think this is the easiest option for us but I don't want it to look like a transom. JB As unobtrusive as it can be, it will have to be a balustrade handrail as it will come under the bulustrading standard. Once upon a time you could use plain glass balustrade without a handrail - but they chenged the standard recently because if the glass broke you could fall through. So the handrail is mandatory at 1000mm. Sorry... Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Tilt turn UPVC windows 17Feb 17, 2009 4:31 pm ed @ EcoClassic James Bond windowexpert 1000mm from the finished floor to the top edge of the window frame (open window) If you want to go a bit ower you can install an unobstructive rail in 1000 mm height on the outside of the frame. I don't suppose anyone knows where I could get a picture of the type of rail you mean? I think this is the easiest option for us but I don't want it to look like a transom. JB As unobtrusive as it can be, it will have to be a balustrade handrail as it will come under the bulustrading standard. Once upon a time you could use plain glass balustrade without a handrail - but they chenged the standard recently because if the glass broke you could fall through. So the handrail is mandatory at 1000mm. Sorry... Ed My building surveyor has now said he will be happy with 900mm above first floor FFL. It seems the rules are open to interpretation. He is much more concerned about overlooking issues than people falling out of windows! JB Re: Tilt turn UPVC windows 18Feb 17, 2009 4:56 pm windowexpert Q3 again The windows can be hinged on the reveal side OR on the centre post. We do mostly the centre post as this enables the sash to fold back against the fixed part and our clients love it. As I said before you can use a magnet or ball and socket. Windowexpert, do you have a picture of one of your windows which is configured like this, hinged on the centre post? My wife (originally from NZ!) is not comfortable about this way of doing things, as she hasn't seen it before. JB 3 4168 There is evidence of water on the head reveals. That could have happened during the build, or may be happening currently. There are water stains above a couple of windows… 2 3830 Personally, considering your layout (study/work desks in bedrooms), I don't think you have any other option but to leave NW windows and make them as big as possible e.g.… 7 10470 |