Browse Forums Windows & Doors 1 Jun 01, 2021 10:16 am I understand that Deceuninck is a major brand and that installation probably makes more of a difference more than the brand of profile. But just want to ask whether there's anything of note with these profiles. Nothing that stands out (negatively) or anything? We are about to sign to have our windows replaced by a reputable window installer in our region that use Deceuninck. The other company we're thinking of but is less tested in the field... newer with not a lot of reviews... use Kommerling. Let me know if I'm on the right track by choosing a much more well known and reviewed installer thinking that Deceuninck and Kommerling are, at the end of the day, pretty much the same. Re: Deceuninck profiles - general thoughts? 2Jul 05, 2021 11:37 am Are you based in VIC? I'm going through the same process and am struggling with how prices have sky rocketed. We too had quotes from companies that use both profiles and Eurocell too. Looking at european forums, they both seem good options. We also got quotes for thermally broken aluminium rather than uPVC just to see the price difference. For me the main difference is that the uPVC companies provide a one stop solution and their fitting teams deal with replacement more than new build, which is a key difference as you say, correct installation is key, especially when replacing in older homes. We are leaning towards Nu-Eco as they can deal with our arched windows, where as Windows Republic were not able to accomodate us, some others were, but there uPVC fabrication was creating a thicker frame. Currently around 20% difference in price between say Rylock and Nu-Eco, but for Rylock it feels as though I might have to co-ordinate between the fitter and the supply side, but the savings are probably worth it. With Nu-eco i checked on how they would finish the frames with trim etc as we have a rendered house and they provided a good explanation. Going in circles trying to decide to commit this much $$$, but our current single glaze sliders are hopeless and warped. Re: Deceuninck profiles - general thoughts? 3Jul 05, 2021 2:24 pm roh008 Are you based in VIC? I'm going through the same process and am struggling with how prices have sky rocketed. We too had quotes from companies that use both profiles and Eurocell too. Looking at european forums, they both seem good options. We also got quotes for thermally broken aluminium rather than uPVC just to see the price difference. For me the main difference is that the uPVC companies provide a one stop solution and their fitting teams deal with replacement more than new build, which is a key difference as you say, correct installation is key, especially when replacing in older homes. We are leaning towards Nu-Eco as they can deal with our arched windows, where as Windows Republic were not able to accomodate us, some others were, but there uPVC fabrication was creating a thicker frame. Currently around 20% difference in price between say Rylock and Nu-Eco, but for Rylock it feels as though I might have to co-ordinate between the fitter and the supply side, but the savings are probably worth it. With Nu-eco i checked on how they would finish the frames with trim etc as we have a rendered house and they provided a good explanation. Going in circles trying to decide to commit this much $$$, but our current single glaze sliders are hopeless and warped. I used to manufacture uPVC - my advice... go aluminium Ed "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Deceuninck profiles - general thoughts? 4Jan 15, 2023 9:15 pm ECOECO roh008 Are you based in VIC? I'm going through the same process and am struggling with how prices have sky rocketed. We too had quotes from companies that use both profiles and Eurocell too. Looking at european forums, they both seem good options. We also got quotes for thermally broken aluminium rather than uPVC just to see the price difference. For me the main difference is that the uPVC companies provide a one stop solution and their fitting teams deal with replacement more than new build, which is a key difference as you say, correct installation is key, especially when replacing in older homes. We are leaning towards Nu-Eco as they can deal with our arched windows, where as Windows Republic were not able to accomodate us, some others were, but there uPVC fabrication was creating a thicker frame. Currently around 20% difference in price between say Rylock and Nu-Eco, but for Rylock it feels as though I might have to co-ordinate between the fitter and the supply side, but the savings are probably worth it. With Nu-eco i checked on how they would finish the frames with trim etc as we have a rendered house and they provided a good explanation. Going in circles trying to decide to commit this much $$$, but our current single glaze sliders are hopeless and warped. I used to manufacture uPVC - my advice... go aluminium Ed I just came across this as I'm going ahead with Deceuninck windows. What's the reason for recommending aluminium (assuming thermally broken)? Re: Deceuninck profiles - general thoughts? 5Jan 16, 2023 9:27 am jagberg I just came across this as I'm going ahead with Deceuninck windows. What's the reason for recommending aluminium (assuming thermally broken)? As you are already committed, do you really want to know? I'll ask you some questions and I will respond based on your answers -
Thanks "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Deceuninck profiles - general thoughts? 6Jan 16, 2023 9:41 am ECOECO jagberg I just came across this as I'm going ahead with Deceuninck windows. What's the reason for recommending aluminium (assuming thermally broken)? As you are already committed, do you really want to know? I'll ask you some questions and I will respond based on your answers -
Thanks - Not in a bushfire area - Yes, it's the grey colour - I have large fixed windows, tilt and turn but otherwise the biggest window opening is 1210x1460, the rest are fairly standard I'd say. I was quoted with Wideline and Stegbar who were more expensive for only 70% of the windows being double glazed and not thermally broken. I also got quotes for Aluplast but there were about 20-30k more. I am locked in at the stage I'm at but still keen to understand more about them. Re: Deceuninck profiles - general thoughts? 7Jan 16, 2023 11:53 am PVC expands lineally at more than 3mm per metre over the normal ambient temperature range in Australian capital cities. Full height windows and doors would expand more than 6mm and they will tend to bind and may be impossible to open and close. This is air temperature. There is also the consideration of radiant heat, and white colour would be minimal but darker colours absorb radiant heat and surface temperatures in excess of 70 degrees could double that expansion. PVC melts at 160 degrees and temperatures approaching that will make the PVC warp and sag. This is why PVC is totally unsuitable for bushfire areas where temperatures well exceed the melting point of PVC, and the first thing to happen will be that the glazing beads holding the glass in place will melt and the glass will fall out. Over time and with UV exposure the PVC will become brittle and difficult to maintain. "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 Re: Deceuninck profiles - general thoughts? 8Jan 16, 2023 12:09 pm ECOECO PVC expands lineally at more than 3mm per metre over the normal ambient temperature range in Australian capital cities. Full height windows and doors would expand more than 6mm and they will tend to bind and may be impossible to open and close. This is air temperature. There is also the consideration of radiant heat, and white colour would be minimal but darker colours absorb radiant heat and surface temperatures in excess of 70 degrees could double that expansion. PVC melts at 160 degrees and temperatures approaching that will make the PVC warp and sag. This is why PVC is totally unsuitable for bushfire areas where temperatures well exceed the melting point of PVC, and the first thing to happen will be that the glazing beads holding the glass in place will melt and the glass will fall out. Over time and with UV exposure the PVC will become brittle and difficult to maintain. Were those issues you experienced often in Sydney's climate? What would you expect from the manufacturers locally when that happens? Lastly, should an expansion joint be used on either side of the frame? Re: Deceuninck profiles - general thoughts? 9Jan 17, 2023 10:15 am jagberg ECOECO PVC expands lineally at more than 3mm per metre over the normal ambient temperature range in Australian capital cities. Full height windows and doors would expand more than 6mm and they will tend to bind and may be impossible to open and close. This is air temperature. There is also the consideration of radiant heat, and white colour would be minimal but darker colours absorb radiant heat and surface temperatures in excess of 70 degrees could double that expansion. PVC melts at 160 degrees and temperatures approaching that will make the PVC warp and sag. This is why PVC is totally unsuitable for bushfire areas where temperatures well exceed the melting point of PVC, and the first thing to happen will be that the glazing beads holding the glass in place will melt and the glass will fall out. Over time and with UV exposure the PVC will become brittle and difficult to maintain. Were those issues you experienced often in Sydney's climate? What would you expect from the manufacturers locally when that happens? Lastly, should an expansion joint be used on either side of the frame? I'm in Melbourne, yes I experienced those issues. I think your supplier would need to accommodate the expansion all around the frame. "ECOECO" At 'EcoEco', we design windows, we design the best windows, we do it for you, so that when you’re happy we are happy. Tel. 1800 326 326 You should check your detail drawings, it may show downpipe within brick pier. 14 14410 Were struck with: Colorbond Ironstone Grey roof and cream windows. What color should we render and paint the garage door to tone down the cream windows? Farm House, will… 0 31457 |