Browse Forums Paving & Concreting 1 Apr 14, 2011 1:56 am We want to (eventually) have a brick fence at the front. I've been told by one fencing guy that it needs to be done first before concreting (preferably). Is this correct? Would this make it any harder when doing croncrete? Any chance of it be dirty when concrete is done (all that splashing & grinding). What is the best way to ensure that the fence will fit nicely later on? we are looking at something like this Anything I should considered when doing the concrete? Can I get the fence footing done first as I imagine it would be easier & cheaper to get done by the concrete guy with the equipment he has (if I can get one with some idea about fence foundation). We want to get the fence done soon as well but still working out if we can afford it now or a year or two down the track. driveway concrete or brick fence first? 2Apr 14, 2011 5:15 am Hi fruitty, That's a pic of my fence you have there as you may already know . We had the driveway done first. I don't see why you couldn't get the fence footings done at the same time as driveway, but you might also want to consider getting the electrician out at the same time to lay the electricity cable under the footings if you want an electric gate as well (and if the fence ****** in the path that the cable would go!) We had a builder organise all the fence construction, so the concreter who did our driveway was not the same one who laid our fence footings, but we organized our own electrician and this had to be done before the footings. I can't see why the fence would have to be done before the driveway. The driveway being there didn't seem to impede with our fence construction at all. Hope that helps! "Your emotions are the slaves to your thoughts, and you are the slave to your emotions." — Elizabeth Gilbert Living in our new house. Currently scaping the land. Re: driveway concrete or brick fence first? 3Apr 14, 2011 7:32 pm Yep stole you're fence I'm more worry about leaving the optimal space for fence, as we can do more or less concrete. Those fence pier have specific gap between them, as far I am am aware. We don't want it to look funny with non standard length between pier. It's been hard getting fencing quotes, got one from a guy doing one nearby that sounds expensive. They don't want to help you mark out the fence if they are not going getting the job now. Anyone know the standard measurement of mortar join from one brick to another? I can use to work out the length of the fence. I've counted approx 9.5 to 0 bricks between piers on most fence in the area. Re: driveway concrete or brick fence first? 4Apr 14, 2011 9:36 pm I'm in the same predicament, but I was always going to get the brick fence done first, so the driveway and the path to the letter box will fit nice and snug around the fence pillars. I know exactly what I want for the fence, but trying to find the right person for the right price is proving to be very difficult! I'm having 2.5 brick wide pillars on either side of the driveway (1 to house the letterbox), and the other 3 pillars will be 1.5 brick wide. It's too difficult for us to work out exactly where the pillars will be and what space would be left for the driveway as the front of our block is curved, so for us it makes sence to have the brick fence done first and fit the driveway snuggly around it. We also might have to move our water meter back slightly due to the width of the footings and the council setback required for fixed fences, and this would probably be easier before the driveway as well. This is (eventually) what I have in mind: Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Henley - Wilshire Mk 3 ... I love my house!! Site start: 4th Feb 09 Handover: 10th Sep 09 Blog: http://stormygirlscastle.blogspot.com/ Build Thread: viewtopic.php?t=7166 Re: driveway concrete or brick fence first? 5Apr 14, 2011 10:30 pm Stormy It's too difficult for us to work out exactly where the pillars will be and what space would be left for the driveway as the front of our block is curved, so for us it makes sense to have the brick fence done first and fit the driveway snuggly around it. You've explained it much better than what I wanted to describe! What is this restriction with the water meter? I have not heard of this before. Does $8k all 'included' inc footing sounds right? for a 15m fence with 7, 2 brick wide pillars and 4 rows of bricks from the bottom up approx 1500 bricks in total. Some how I don't trust this guy that gave us the quote. We also notice he takes way too long to do the one around the corner. Called another random guy but he didn't return my call. Re: driveway concrete or brick fence first? 6Apr 14, 2011 10:51 pm The problem with the water meter is that it could possibly be in the way of the footings, as they (the footings) need to be wider than the width of the fence, and the whole fence has to be set back a certain amount from the footpath (unsure of exact figure). In the 'old' house, we had a wooden picket fence done by previous owners, and it was built butting up to the footpath (may have been illegal), but it wasn't considered 'fixed' as it was easily removable, unlike a brick pillar fence with concrete footings. The water meter wasn't in the way at all, but it may be with a brick pillar fence with setback and concrete footings, which would require it to be moved further into our front garden. I hope I explained that a bit better!! $8K all included is an absolute bargain. I was quoted $15K for 1.5m high x 10 metres (taking out the space for an extra wide driveway - I'm lucky to have a larger than normal crossover) which included all council permits, letterbox and steel infills. I almost died at the price! We had another quote for just under $10K, which we were about to accept, but the bloke went and got another full time contracting job with another company...so our search continues! My FIL reckons we could do it ourselves, but I'm not prepared to take the risk, and neither is Hubby. It's quite a complicated design with a curve and each section between the pillars needs to be stepped down to cope with a slight slope. Hubby doesn't have time at all, and considering it took us every weekend for 6 weeks to construct our deck, this would take 3 years! Henley - Wilshire Mk 3 ... I love my house!! Site start: 4th Feb 09 Handover: 10th Sep 09 Blog: http://stormygirlscastle.blogspot.com/ Build Thread: viewtopic.php?t=7166 Re: driveway concrete or brick fence first? 8Apr 14, 2011 11:14 pm I agree $8k is a great price. ours was also nearly $15k. does the $8k include the steel infills? a motorised gate opener? our water meter had to be moved too. it wasn't in the way of the footings, but in the way of the piece of concrete they have to put just behind the fence for the sliding gate to sit on when it's open. "Your emotions are the slaves to your thoughts, and you are the slave to your emotions." — Elizabeth Gilbert Living in our new house. Currently scaping the land. Re: driveway concrete or brick fence first? 10Jun 12, 2011 9:34 pm What are the possible issues with doing the fence footings AFTER the driveway? Re: driveway concrete or brick fence first? 11Jun 12, 2011 9:49 pm It's more of a cost issue for us. There is no technical issue (that I am aware of). If you want to do the foundation at the same time then you need to know exactly what you want for the fence and mark it out yourself (took us weeks to work it out) or get someone who know to mark it. I now have the concreting done just need to do the fence ($$$ & still looking for brickies) Re: driveway concrete or brick fence first? 12Jun 12, 2011 10:37 pm So there is no risk of chipping the driveway concrete when digging out the footings for the fence?
Re: driveway concrete or brick fence first? 13Jun 12, 2011 10:43 pm That is where the planing comes in, for us the brick fence can be built 'around' the concrete even if we had it somewhat wrong. What fence are you planning on doing, maybe I may be of help. Re: driveway concrete or brick fence first? 14Jun 12, 2011 11:04 pm We have finally found a lovely brickie to do our front fence for around $6K! Much better than the $15K of our first quote. He actually digs the footings by hand and mixes the concrete himself, so if we had already done the driveway he would be very careful not to chip it, and no heavy machinery or trucks either. Blue, I can't see a problem with it just as long as the brickies know to be careful! Henley - Wilshire Mk 3 ... I love my house!! Site start: 4th Feb 09 Handover: 10th Sep 09 Blog: http://stormygirlscastle.blogspot.com/ Build Thread: viewtopic.php?t=7166 Re: driveway concrete or brick fence first? 15Jun 13, 2011 4:43 pm Thanks stormy. How deep will your fence footings be? Do you know how much out of $6k is just for the footings? Our concrete guy quoted us $2.5k just for the fence footings... 600mm deep Re: driveway concrete or brick fence first? 16Jun 13, 2011 6:06 pm Hi Blue, I don't actually have a breakdown of everything in the quote, but the $6.6K for 6 piers, 470x470 wide (2x2 bricks) and 1.5m high includes everything except the Council dispensation (~$200) and the steel infills (~$1000), and includes GST as well. The footings will be max 650 deep. We will not be having an electronic gate that requires a concrete pad for the runner. Was this included in your quote too? We also have the bricks, so this doesn't include those either. Due to our wider cross over/driveway, the 'length' of fence is 10.7m plus one extra pier on the other side of the driveway (see pic of plan in above post!). I may have a complete breakdown of costings for the most expensive quote ($15K), but not really worth digging it out as I think they are way over priced anyway! Henley - Wilshire Mk 3 ... I love my house!! Site start: 4th Feb 09 Handover: 10th Sep 09 Blog: http://stormygirlscastle.blogspot.com/ Build Thread: viewtopic.php?t=7166 Re: driveway concrete or brick fence first? 17Jun 16, 2011 11:58 pm Hi everyone, I've been looking at this topic because we are actually now looking at putting the metal "infills" between each pier in our front brick fence. I don't know the correct term, so please excuse me! Our fence was done a couple of months ago. We got the footings done by the same guy who laid all the other concrete on our property (ie. driveway, alfresco, down side of house) and he charged us $1800. This included 7 pier footings at approx 500x500x500 and the other footings, for the brickwork between the piers, at approx 300x300x300. All up it was approx 15 metres of fence. We provided the bricks (we already had about 500 leftover from the build, that our SS kindly let us keep) so we only had to purchase another 1200. And we had some left over. So that was another approx $1000. We also bought the pier cappings ourselves (8 @ approx $50 = $400). The 'brickie' provided the sand, cement, time/labour to lay the bricks and cappings, for which he charged $2000. There were no steel infills and the piers aren't filled in with concrete or the like, but still it was an absolute bargain. And they even did a great job. I would use them again. They even came back the following day (at no extra charge) to increase the height of one of the piers, as it was going to be too short to hang a high gate off (as the land slopes). In all, the fence was approx 15M long, including 7 piers plus another pier on the other side of the crossover. The piers were 1.5M high, with the brick wall in between the piers being approx 6 brick courses high with a header course laid. And the whole thing was completed in a day (with a team of brickies)! In total we paid $1800 for footings, $1000 for bricks, $400 for cappings, and $2000 for it to be laid = $5200. We, upon our concretor's advice, laid our driveway after the fence was done, and are so glad that we waited. It looks fantastic having the driveway laid perfectly up to the brick fence. It looks so neat. I would definitely recommend waiting. And on another note, if anyone can recommend where I can buy the steel/metal/aluminium (whatever they are!?) infills that go between the piers, it would be greatly appreciated. We are in Melbourne's South Eastern suburbs. Does anyone know do we measure it up ourselves and then order it and install it ourselves, or do they do the install aswell as supplying it? Any advice/help/recommendations would help. Thanks. Re: driveway concrete or brick fence first? 18Jun 17, 2011 12:14 am There are many places that will measure and quote and install the infill for you. It the easiest part of the whole fence. We did some research and it's very easy to even install it yourself as each infill is only hold in place by a few screws on both sides. Look in your local newspaper there will be a few people / company doing it. You can also look up any steel fabrication places they will most likely do up and length / choice you like, then just install them yourself. If you want pm me I can give you the details of a few place we found over in the west (but have not yet used). I must have your brickie details! Where did you buy your pier capping? We got quoted 100 each cap! Re: driveway concrete or brick fence first? 19Jun 17, 2011 12:18 am blueblueblue How deep will your fence footings be? Do you know how much out of $6k is just for the footings? Our concrete guy quoted us $2.5k just for the fence footings... 600mm deep Ours was 15m of footing 500 wide x 600 deep with a strip (6m x 600mm) for a future sliding gate, price was $2.1k including 8 steel bars for the pier later Re: driveway concrete or brick fence first? 20Jun 17, 2011 11:53 am fruitty blueblueblue How deep will your fence footings be? Do you know how much out of $6k is just for the footings? Our concrete guy quoted us $2.5k just for the fence footings... 600mm deep Ours was 15m of footing 500 wide x 600 deep with a strip (6m x 600mm) for a future sliding gate, price was $2.1k including 8 steel bars for the pier later Thanks for that fruitty To my understanding early saw cuts are to control shrinkage cracks, so doing them now would be pointless. Control joints may reduce ugly cracking during periods of soil… 3 7399 Hi all I need a guidance on how far I need to space expansion joints in the concrete driveway and its type (keyway/foam.) 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