Browse Forums Paving & Concreting 1 Apr 04, 2011 8:07 pm We had some outrageous numbers written in our quotes against this item (lucky how they even itemised it!) What is "normal" to expect when building on almost dead flat, almost already excavated land where the only debris would mainly be some current driveway mulch and pebbles?? The area to concrete is about 90-95 m2. And what do these "tipping fees" actually mean? A man comes with a truck, the excavator (who is already on site) loads a few buckets into it, the man drives the truck away to the tip?? Am I missing something? How can we reduce these amounts?? My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Tipping fees when concreting 2Apr 04, 2011 8:42 pm Hm ... this sounds much better http://www.rentaskip.com.au/. Has anyone organised their own tipping via skip bins or similar? Assuming that the excavator on site would be willing to load the skip (for 2 cases of beer), we would save more than half of our quoted prices! Oh, another question. While they are excavating for concrete, are they just pushing the debris aside and then someone else comes to pick it up, or are they loading their "rubbish truck" at the same time?? What really happens on site?? My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Tipping fees when concreting 5Apr 04, 2011 11:47 pm Those prices sound about right. Normal prices for machine + truck is around the $90/hr mark, give or take depending on machine and truck size. Obviously the bigger the equipment the bigger the outlay for owner who has to charge accordingly. If you order a skip it's generally more expensive than a a truck taking the material to a tip site, as the bin hire company has to recoup costs for bins, tip fee's, and a quid in it for themselves. A contractor loading a truck can save a heap of money by taking clean fill, mixed fill, or concrete to the appropriate place and it will be cheaper than a bin which is generally charged at a mixed rate. Bins may also incur a council permit for having it sit on the road or nature strip too Planned Landscape Constructions http://www.plannedlandscape.com.au Find us on facebook http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id= ... 9907611509 Re: Tipping fees when concreting 6Apr 05, 2011 8:15 pm my truck, excavator and plant trailer to purchase is $100,000, operators charge the mention rates to not only cover there plant payments but also to cover the wear and tear on a machine and truck. The operator also needs to put food on the table. $90 hr in the operators eyes is just scraping by, to the average person $90 hr is alot. Tipping fees have increased by massive amounts due to new EPA licencing fees. At a hard waste tip a mixed load is app. $120 tonne to tip, a standard tandem tipper holds around 13-14 tonne, not hard to see were the costs add up. I get charged by my bin company almost $900 per 12 q/mtr bin for a mixed heavy load ie: concrete, soil, weeds etc all mixed in. Your quotes would be reflective of the operators running costs and tipping costs. Da Vinci Outdoor Living Architectural landscaping http://www.davincioutdoor.com Re: Tipping fees when concreting 7Apr 05, 2011 8:16 pm my truck, excavator and plant trailer to purchase is $100,000, operators charge the mention rates to not only cover there plant payments but also to cover the wear and tear on a machine and truck. The operator also needs to put food on the table. $90 hr in the operators eyes is just scraping by, to the average person $90 hr is alot. Tipping fees have increased by massive amounts due to new EPA licencing fees. At a hard waste tip a mixed load is app. $120 tonne to tip, a standard tandem tipper holds around 13-14 tonne, not hard to see were the costs add up. I get charged by my bin company almost $900 per 12 q/mtr bin for a mixed heavy load ie: concrete, soil, weeds etc all mixed in. Your quotes would be reflective of the operators running costs and tipping costs. Da Vinci Outdoor Living Architectural landscaping http://www.davincioutdoor.com Re: Tipping fees when concreting 8Apr 05, 2011 8:58 pm I just re-did an online quote on that site. "The best price is $688.91 Plus Booking fee 4.40" I chose Skip Size = 7 m3, Waste Type = Heavy Waste (which is 'Concrete, bricks, soil, rock, tiles, pavers and can also include general waste and green waste." and exlcudes any other waste) Then I did another quote for a 12 m3 bin and it was $933.75 BUT, I don't think our site would have more than 5-6 m3 I think these guys deliver the bin and then pick it up. I have to load it. ?? My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Tipping fees when concreting 9Apr 06, 2011 2:44 pm Lex, you seem to ask a lot of questions involving the intricate details of various construction areas (such as control joints from another thread) Are you trying to figure out why each thing costs as much as it does or is it for another reason? I ask because I found from personal experience, just because knowing something only costs $2 it doesn't mean you (as Joe public) can buy it for less than $5 as davinci said, the operators have to make a living so they add money on top. The best way to find out if you're getting a good deal is to get 5 quotes on each job you need done and be consistent with what you ask each tradesman. I found re sending the same email with all the same details gave the most consistency. Also adding details from questions they each asked helped too. If you're asking questions to try and save money, I can only wish you luck as it didn't end up saving me a cent. Just a lot more strees than I needed to put on myself Re: Tipping fees when concreting 10Apr 06, 2011 7:56 pm Chris/Kate, You are either assuming too much, or you are reading my posts through certain coloured glasses. There's a lot to be said as response to this, but my experience tells me that there will be no point However, I will say that with this particular service (tipping/rubbish/spoil removal) - you might have noticed that we are not building or receiving something that remains on/with the house, we're just getting surplus/rubbish wheeled away. Meaning, this is one of the rare "low value" areas of building where the owner might be interested in getting a fair deal because I don't really think there would be some big issue with chasing 'quality of workmanship/product' in this particular case . Or at least trying to understand what is involved, which is actually what I also need to know (and I need to know it because I simply want to know it ) ... As they say - each to their own - I do love to know "the intricate details of various construction areas", HELL YES!! ... burying my head in sand and putting a veil over my head is not really my cup of tea My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Tipping fees when concreting 12Apr 06, 2011 9:18 pm LOL when I first read the title I thought "cr@p! I was supposed to give my concretor a TIP?!" glad that's not the case "Your emotions are the slaves to your thoughts, and you are the slave to your emotions." — Elizabeth Gilbert Living in our new house. Currently scaping the land. Re: Tipping fees when concreting 13Apr 07, 2011 12:34 am If the soil on the driveway is hard you will still need to hire a machine to excavate. If the truck he comes with is a tipper, it'll be a lot cheaper to get him to load and get him to take it to tip/fill site. Planned Landscape Constructions http://www.plannedlandscape.com.au Find us on facebook http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id= ... 9907611509 Re: Tipping fees when concreting 14Apr 07, 2011 1:04 am Planned Lscp, yeah, the excavation (cutting the boxes and scraping a thin layer) will be required and is quoted separately to tipping. They are quoting something like 2k just for tipping - and I can't see that much spoil at all. Our house slab is almost fully exposed already - meaning that they will not need to scrape off much more of the hard soil (actually, they will need to fill some dips/trenches ). So, using what I know of the site and see on the site and also using the online "quote", this seems a bit disproportional. Maybe he'll only charge for what he uses (ie. takes away), but he definitely didn't mention that. I vaguely recall hearing some other guys saying some hourly figures or so ... Plus, they all charge far more per m2 for concreting than I ever saw on this site ... so I feel extra entitled to investigate this tipping thingy . And yes donuts, we'll probably have to give them extra tips on top of it all!! My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Tipping fees when concreting 15Apr 18, 2011 11:24 am Prices quoted for excavator and truck seems about right to me. However if this is just for prepping the site ready for slab and plumbing and site fairly level. Then seems a bit high you could hire local bobcat to clear and level site which would be cheaper. Just remember a cubic metre in the ground is a lot more than a cubic metre of lose fill sitting on the ground. That is if you had to dig up 5m3 to place in 5m3 skip it will not fit. Are you doing waffle pod, then less excavation? As for knowing every intricate detail about your building and the process good to hear. The better informed the building owner is the better the builder and building will be. Good luck Pulpo Re: Tipping fees when concreting 16Apr 18, 2011 10:01 pm Thanks, Pulpo. Well, this is just for the driveway and small paths around the house, all on almost dead flat land, actual size about 90m2 (but he says it's more than 100m2 can't he calculate ). So, 2k just for spoil removal, plus excavation (> 1k). My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Tipping fees when concreting 17Apr 19, 2011 12:35 pm Lex Thanks, Pulpo. Well, this is just for the driveway and small paths around the house, all on almost dead flat land, actual size about 90m2 (but he says it's more than 100m2 can't he calculate ). So, 2k just for spoil removal, plus excavation (> 1k). Perhaps you have different ideas about the areas to be done then? Better to ask than assume Re: Tipping fees when concreting 19Apr 19, 2011 9:01 pm chrisandkate [Perhaps you have different ideas about the areas to be done then? Better to ask than assume Aiah, no unfortunately, as I said the site is already low (eg. you can see the bottom of the slab in most places), so just another 5cm is needed to trim for the roadbase. We'll have to make sure that we're not paying for what we are not using (ie. non-existent spoil ). It would be like your builder actually charging the full provisional sum when the work wasn't even done, or was done partially. BTW, crusher dust (if that's what you meant) is apparently a no-no for driveways, but especially a big no no for roads and heavy usage areas (heavy weight). It can't be compacted properly as it's too fine, like powder, and you can't compact powder (try patting down a small bag of cornflour or cocoa and you'll see what happens). True, not all of it is powder, but the part which is spoils it all. My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Tipping fees when concreting 20Apr 21, 2011 10:26 am I have used crusher dust for many slabs over the years. I have 3 big water tanks sitting on it. I find it easy to lay a smooth base for the plastic to rest on before the slab. I find road base too hard to work with for slabs. I have had problems with sand. I know off the topic. Anyway Lex just talk to the builder on site to confirm. Cheers Pulpo Is it just a report written to give to the bank initially and it is based on what and how your payments are made up for, or is it a full service where they go out and… 2 2988 0 1751 It will be neat but you won't have much freeboard. At least they are not weep holes. Are you in a high intensity rainfall region? The regulatory slope is only required… 3 5278 |