Browse Forums Paving & Concreting 1 May 23, 2010 6:55 pm On the suggestion of our tiler, we went to Bunnings searching for SureSeal - Stone Sealer. Well , we found it BUT it was a whopping $ 250 for 5 litres. My DH was quite unhappy (that's putting it mildly) with that price. Sooooo, dear H1ers is there something out there more realistically priced or atleast a product that can be sourced from a manufacturer or wholesaler. Yes, I know you get what you pay for but $50/lt........ highway robbery Built the Eden Brae Cambridge 34 Family with Boston Corner Facade Re: Tile Sealer - sooooo expensive 2May 23, 2010 9:36 pm You will find that because you are a retail customer you will get charged a bit for sealer, espically depending on how big an area you need to seal. And as you say, you get what you pay for....sealer costs are generally low compared to the overall cost of the tiles/laying. Even if you spent $2K on the area, i'd spend $250 to seal it for sure. Re: Tile Sealer - sooooo expensive 3May 24, 2010 7:21 am I agree totally, I would pay it for sure but unfortunately DH has has different views on this Geez and I thought decisionmaking issues leading to the divorce court were in the past Built the Eden Brae Cambridge 34 Family with Boston Corner Facade Re: Tile Sealer - sooooo expensive 4May 24, 2010 10:32 am That's way too much, your BH is right! I researched something else before and remembered this company - Duram. They are in 7Hills, have factory there and sell to public too, you can get prices over the phone. http://www.duram.com.au/productsall.aspx In regards to your tiles, and you mentioned Stone Seal - if they are stone tiles (ie. porous), you can use their Azcoseal, 4l is only $45 trade price (more exy retail) - you can call them to double check. 15l is around $145. It is applied over the tile+grout, easy. If your tiles are ceramic or porcelain, not sure which product is suitable. They also have a product called S900, which is good for sealing the grout. 4l around $40 ... Both these products can apparently be used externally as well ... there are product data sheets that you can investigate for more info ... My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Tile Sealer - sooooo expensive 6May 24, 2010 5:52 pm Lex That's way too much, your BH is right! I researched something else before and remembered this company - Duram. They are in 7Hills, have factory there and sell to public too, you can get prices over the phone. http://www.duram.com.au/productsall.aspx In regards to your tiles, and you mentioned Stone Seal - if they are stone tiles (ie. porous), you can use their Azcoseal, 4l is only $45 trade price (more exy retail) - you can call them to double check. 15l is around $145. It is applied over the tile+grout, easy. If your tiles are ceramic or porcelain, not sure which product is suitable. They also have a product called S900, which is good for sealing the grout. 4l around $40 ... Both these products can apparently be used externally as well ... there are product data sheets that you can investigate for more info ... Just make sure you are comparing apples to apples. The above mentioned products are surface sealers and (Azcoseal) and are generally half the price. Be warned they stink like hell due to the solvent used and need to be careful applying indoors. The Stone Sealer is a penetrative sealer... Just make sure that you understand the differences between different sealers. Re: Tile Sealer - sooooo expensive 8May 25, 2010 8:22 am Actually, just opened the product data sheet for AZCOSEAL ... it says "cures to form a clean, tough (hard) and resilient coating in a satin (semi- gloss) finish" - you might not want that! It goes on to say "Providing an attractive 'wet-look' sealer over pavers, brick,sandstone and masonry surfaces" ... it is penetrative, but maybe not suitable for your tiles. miteq, according to the manufacturer, S900 does not sound like a surface sealer at all. It's a "deep penetrating siloxane waterproofing solution. Duram S900 penetrates in to the tissue of porous substrates and creates a waterproofing barrier below the surface, preventing the ingress of water. Duram S900 is an effective waterproofing solution and stops leaks without lifting tiles or changing the overall appearance of the surface. Duram S900 also solves the problems associated with water penetration such as corrosion of steel reinforcement, friability and binder loss of surfaces, fungal and bacteria attack and degradation due to carbon dioxide permeability. Duram S900 is capable of withstanding high pH conditions such as found in new concrete and lime based mortars and bricks. Duram S900 still allows the diffusion of vapours or 'breathing' ability of the substrate." .... but again, maybe not suitable for internal tiles or for your particular type of tile! Anyway, I am sure there are other manufacturers of tile sealants. I would say that you need to find a sealant that is appropriate for your tile type (porous or not) and to what you want to achieve. As a starting point, I would look at product data sheet and detailed specs of that sealer that was recommended for your tiles. Then I would look for an alternative brand with same main specs, so that you are sure you are using the appropriate product. Hopefully in the process you'll be able to get a good price too ... If you manage to find an alternative (cheaper) brand, I would still give the tiler/shop a call to double check that the product is OK for your tiles. And I should have said all of this the first time around! My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Tile Sealer - sooooo expensive 9May 25, 2010 10:11 am Southies your husband is a worry! Does he not realise the risks of being 'cheap'???... Cheaper sealers often simply do not do the job claimed, or don't do it very well. And costs to clean tiles and strip off poor performing sealers and applying quality sealers can be a VERY EXPENSIVE LESSON! DO NOT believe everything a label says! Cheaper sealers are likely to be a poor decision. Let me tell you that some of the very best sealers made by the market leaders cost in excess of $110 per litre. Without naming names, sealers in this price bracket have been used extensively throughout the tallest building in the world. I would suggest, they were discerning as to which products would best protect the surfaces in a showpiece such as this. You gotta ask yourself "if its half the price (or less) of top quality products, WHY is that?" I see CONSTANTLY the unfortunate results of people trying to cut costs, only to shoot themselves in the foot. If you don't care about the outcomes, don't seal. If its a nice floor and you want it to keep that way, be a bit discerning and invest wisely in quality products. Ash. Re: Tile Sealer - sooooo expensive 10May 25, 2010 11:59 am Ash, I agree with everything you say and I've learnt from personal experience in other areas, that you get what you pay for. Unfortunately, my DH is not of the same opinion Yep, god love him but he's 'cheap' . So somehow I'm going to have to work on him to change his mind and going on past experience this is going to be an uphill battle. Built the Eden Brae Cambridge 34 Family with Boston Corner Facade Re: Tile Sealer - sooooo expensive 11May 25, 2010 12:00 pm Lex according to the manufacturer, S900 does not sound like a surface sealer at all. It's a "deep penetrating siloxane waterproofing solution. Duram S900 penetrates in to the tissue of porous substrates and creates a waterproofing barrier below the surface, preventing the ingress of water. Duram S900 is an effective waterproofing solution and stops leaks without lifting tiles or changing the overall appearance of the surface. Duram S900 also solves the problems associated with water penetration such as corrosion of steel reinforcement, friability and binder loss of surfaces, fungal and bacteria attack and degradation due to carbon dioxide permeability. Duram S900 is capable of withstanding high pH conditions such as found in new concrete and lime based mortars and bricks. Duram S900 still allows the diffusion of vapours or 'breathing' ability of the substrate." .... but again, maybe not suitable for internal tiles or for your particular type of tile! I personally would be wary of this product...not once has it mentioned any type of STAIN RESISTANCE....as Ash has stated, you get what you pay for. Do your reasearch compare apples to apples, if you need any further help just ask. As a manufacturer of sealers i am here to help any way i can. Re: Tile Sealer - sooooo expensive 12May 26, 2010 9:17 am I think it would be more useful if you actually gave some concrete advice or at least a bit of useful information right up. Circling around and giving comments only as a response to other people's advice/information they managed to find (as consumers only) is not very constructive, IMHO, especially if you are a manufacturer of these very products! Don't you have any actual concrete advice or at least a copy of some published information / standards that you'd be happy to share? For eaxmple, you could have mentioned right up what are the key most useful characteristics of the product the OP should be looking for (in whichever product she ends up selecting). When it comes to technical specifics, we as general consumers can easily get lost in the miriad of products and their specs and can often miss the main characteristics/points that we should be looking for (and in relation to the specific requirements, eg. tile type, location, etc.)! That's where you could have jumped in and summarised it all nicely up for us right from start, and not just keep quoting my poor advice and offer scattered bits of info and general warning that the OP (a general consumer) should understand the differences between different sealers and do her research. But then again, this all goes without saying and I shouldn't have had to point this out at all - I think it's obvious, and I hope we all know what they say about stating the obvious ... My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Tile Sealer - sooooo expensive 13May 26, 2010 9:58 pm Lex ^^^^^^, I think it would be more useful if you actually gave some concrete advice or at least a bit of useful information right up. Circling around and giving comments only as a response to other people's advice/information they managed to find (as consumers only) is not very constructive, IMHO, especially if you are a manufacturer of these very products! Don't you have any actual concrete advice or at least a copy of some published information / standards that you'd be happy to share? For eaxmple, you could have mentioned right up what are the key most useful characteristics of the product the OP should be looking for (in whichever product she ends up selecting). When it comes to technical specifics, we as general consumers can easily get lost in the miriad of products and their specs and can often miss the main characteristics/points that we should be looking for (and in relation to the specific requirements, eg. tile type, location, etc.)! That's where you could have jumped in and summarised it all nicely up for us right from start, and not just keep quoting my poor advice and offer scattered bits of info and general warning that the OP (a general consumer) should understand the differences between different sealers and do her research. But then again, this all goes without saying and I shouldn't have had to point this out at all - I think it's obvious, and I hope we all know what they say about stating the obvious ... wow...nose...joint....... let me just start by saying it is hard for me to offer exact advise because obviously i wish to give advise on MY products. I understand i can't do this at this forum due to the rules and regs....so if i am stumbling around and not giving the direct advise i apologise...however, i am not going to be shot down by someone who obviously thinks they know everything and can recommend something without doing some real research. In my very first post i mentioned to actually buy the Sure Seal product, as quality usually comes with price. Googling the product i knew it was a penetrating sealer so guessed thats what the op was after. Hence my next post was was to point out that surface sealers will infact be cheaper. Not everyone knows this. It was not an attempt to shoot you down in flames, you obviously didn't know so i thought it was just a bit of education for everyone. When YOU recommend a product perhaps be a bit more wary about asking some questions yourself. Dont just assume what your offering is correct. It doesnt hurt for someone else to give a difference of opinion on certain facts that you may have missed. If you have taken that as trying to show your flaws...well your just down right wrong. Pure and simple, all i was trying to do was advise someone that the product recommended was a surface sealer. If i had not quoted you would i still be in the wrong??? I offered the op to contact me for further info via talking on the phone, pm or email as this can be eaiser, there are a lot of questions to go through. Way to many to have here on a forum....it would be a 10+ page thread and the op may want answers str8 away. I will be more careful in my responses next time Lex.... Re: Tile Sealer - sooooo expensive 14May 26, 2010 10:31 pm Lex, I don't think#### had anything to explain! Anyone here who is representing their own company needs to be circumspect to appease the H1 Gods! People should be thankful that experts bother to come and offer their advice without necessarily doing a self serving sell job. A forum can and will have all sorts of people coming and offering their input. Some are informed opinions, and others may be not so. But we all hopefully learn together as we have others' perspectives on a range of topics. No need for people to get noses out of joint if what we offer is not received as we wish! Ash. Re: Tile Sealer - sooooo expensive 15May 27, 2010 9:50 am Well, that's a much better intonation this time around, miteq - well, at least in relation to the products themselves, as you have finally elaborated on your own opinion without having to just refer to what someone else (moi in this case ) wrote. And that is a huge difference, I hope you and royal can see that. If you did it once - fine, but you did the same thing repeatedly - why wonder now why it made me feel being "called out" and your posts looking like they were addressing me, not the original question Starting all your posts with a copy of what you want to criticise makes you look like you needed a "stressor" (a prompt) in order to reply, and that otherwise you wouldn't have bothered. That's the feel I get. To me, your posts did not sound very constructive. Perhaps I'm expecting too much, but I prefer more concrete answers to quite concrete questions. Just a personal opinion, don't want to patronise anyone, but I do reserve the right to respond (or not! ) when I feel that someone is patronising me. BTW, I wouldn't expect you to openly market your own product on this site, but even if you did mention it (not recommended it, don't know why you think that I actually recommended those products, I named them as an example that there are other manufacturers and other products, like a starting point if she was stuck with her research), you could have tossed it with other similar class products anyway (even if it's the SureSeal itself). Or, as I said, at least point out the key parameters to look for - I personally would be looking for that and it would have been much more constructive. ... bla bla bla ... we could stay here forever ... I hope the OP finds the right product with a lower price! My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Tile Sealer - sooooo expensive 16Jun 05, 2010 3:48 pm I don't think #### was skirting around comments, as I have said on other posts I have used Miteq sealers only the last few years and have found them to be very worthwhile and of top notch quality. Pointing out that using cheap sealer on an expensive job is very worthwhile. The whole point is to use a product that will protect your paving, preferably at longer intervals to avoid too much maintenance. I personally know another landscaper who used a cheap $60 bucket of sealer from Bunnings that didn't do a good job (and he also applied 2nd coat too early), which costed $4000 to get chemically removed and re-sealed. Planned Landscape Constructions http://www.plannedlandscape.com.au Find us on facebook http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id= ... 9907611509 Looking for advice on whether this variation in tile colour is acceptable. The large tile on the left was used in my main bathroom renovation 1 year ago. 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