Browse Forums Bathrooms and Laundry 1 Jul 14, 2008 11:32 am Looking for some help.
Tiler arrived and announced that there was a problem because he needs to tile around the toilets but the toilets are in. The builder used a couple of large excess tiles under the toilets (loose fitting) and I thought that the tiler would be able to sort this out. I thought that the tiler would remove the screws, lift the toilet, remove the old tiles (they are not glued in) and put the new ones in, then put the toilet back down again and do up the screws again. Instead he is going to tile around the toilet and I will have to come home tonight, remove the screws, lift the toilets and then remove the tiles for him. Then tomorrow, he will come back and put the tiles underneath. I will then have to come home and screw the toilets back down again. Is there any perishable bits that I will need to replace? I read on the internet about wax seals, are these used in new houses in Australia? Since I am not adjusting the height of the toilet, will this be an easier job? What else do I have to take into consideration? How will the screws work in concrete? Do they use rawl plugs or do they just drive the screw into the concrete? (We have a concrete slab downstairs and wood/chipboard upstairs). Re: Tiles under Toilet 3Jul 14, 2008 8:24 pm 3timesbuilda Looking for some help. Tiler arrived and announced that there was a problem because he needs to tile around the toilets but the toilets are in. The builder used a couple of large excess tiles under the toilets (loose fitting) and I thought that the tiler would be able to sort this out. I thought that the tiler would remove the screws, lift the toilet, remove the old tiles (they are not glued in) and put the new ones in, then put the toilet back down again and do up the screws again. Instead he is going to tile around the toilet and I will have to come home tonight, remove the screws, lift the toilets and then remove the tiles for him. Then tomorrow, he will come back and put the tiles underneath. I will then have to come home and screw the toilets back down again. Is there any perishable bits that I will need to replace? I read on the internet about wax seals, are these used in new houses in Australia? Since I am not adjusting the height of the toilet, will this be an easier job? What else do I have to take into consideration? How will the screws work in concrete? Do they use rawl plugs or do they just drive the screw into the concrete? (We have a concrete slab downstairs and wood/chipboard upstairs). Hmmm, i thought one was to place toilets on tiles, this prevents cracking ?? cheers Re: Tiles under Toilet 4Jul 14, 2008 9:05 pm I must be missing something. I would have thought that:
1) The toilet should be removed 2)The tiler should do his job. 3) The toilet should be placed on a mortar bed on top of the tiles. I'm not a builder, but logic would say this is the way to do it. Demolition August 2009, Construction Started September 2009, Completed December 2010 Re: Tiles under Toilet 5Jul 15, 2008 2:30 pm Casa2 I must be missing something. I would have thought that: 1) The toilet should be removed 2)The tiler should do his job. 3) The toilet should be placed on a mortar bed on top of the tiles. I'm not a builder, but logic would say this is the way to do it. This is how our toilet was installed.....it came unstuck later....I would think it would be better if it was bolted to the floor..... there are holes in the base of the pan to do this..I guess mortar is cheaper and quicker than bolts Best Price Wardrobes Sliding door robes | Walk in robes Deco panel | Mirror | Melamine 26 to 28 Cottage lane Hackham M: 0402 927 376 http://www.bestpricewardrobes.com.au Trade welcome Re: Tiles under Toilet 6Jul 15, 2008 2:47 pm A quick update,
Went home and tried to remove the toilet pan. Turns out that the 4 screws were loose and "springy" and upon further investigation were not really used at all. The builder had used that rubbery bath sealant. They first stuck down the tiles with the sealant and then stuck the base of the toilet pan to the tiles using the same sealant. It was too hard to get a blade under there to cut the sealant so I resorted to a hammer - I smashed the tiles the pan was glued to. I was then able to remove the tiles bit by bit. until enough was removed that I could then lift the pan. The exit pipe was just connected with a removable rubber seal and the in pipe was just screwed on. Once out, I was able to easily remove any remaining tile. Did this for 3 toilets. Unpleasant job - particuarly when exit pipe seal removed - phew . Anyway tiles look ok, but what a thing to go through. Tiler was very apologetic - I think he has only ever done tiling where toilet has not been put in yet - he was relatively cheap. I will probably have to use the same sort of bath sealant to fix the pan to the newly laid tiles as drilling holes through tile for the screws does not appeal. Thanks everyone for you thoughts on this. Another job about to be ticked off. I think I'll add junior plumber to my resume . Re: Tiles under Toilet 7Jul 15, 2008 4:27 pm Hehehe...fun times.
Stuff an old t-shirt in the open hole, stops the fumes. If you can, at least put a couple of screws in the toilet base, don't just rely on the sealant. Now the tiles are down, drilling through them will be much easier as it will take a fair bit to crack them. A diamond tip drill, slow speed and do not use hammer, should get through them fairly quickly. Once through the tile, use a normal drill (slightly smaller than the screws) to drill into the sub floor, should be particle board. Put screws into this. Bunnings have nifty screws and plastic sleeves that go into the holes and a small cap to make it all pretty afterwards. All may be a moot point if it's all done and you're going to leave them as is. Re: Tiles under Toilet 8Jul 16, 2008 9:45 pm I think that you'll find that most pans are just siliconed onto tiles these days.
Mortar is good only if it is fitted very well, and it's really difficult (impossible?) to tell whether it has been fitted properly or not. I changed my toilet a couple of years ago - tiling the floor first. Pan that I chose has a large footprint. It is a simple matter of some 10mm spacers for the pan to sit on, then silicon the gaps. Later, remove the spacers and completely fill in with silicon. Just don't skim on the silicon. Works a treat because silicon has a bit of give in it. If I was doing a toilet again, I would definitely use silicon again. Note, if the rubber seal breaks down and you need to change it, you just need to be a little careful to cut the silicon. Removing a pan that is sitting on mortar .... prone to damaging the pan (?). ChrisL looks experimental to me, reinforced screed would be a better option or even better insulate between ground and structural slab. I would not put granite over that,… 3 4992 Looking at some of the designs on websites, they are all selling very similar products. I get that you want something stylish. It's worth looking for search terms like SaveH2O… 2 7006 Hey, I am wanting to add a second toilet to my house, bit we have limited room. There is a hallway/entry that is never used, so was thinking this could be an option. Only… 0 4709 |