Browse Forums Bathrooms and Laundry Re: Ensuite Reno re Tiling 2Jun 24, 2013 5:35 pm Depends if you damage it or not Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Ensuite Reno re Tiling 4Jun 25, 2013 7:27 am Stewie D It's not so much whether you damage the lining boards ( probably fibre/cement sheets ) but whether you damage the waterproofing if there is any. Stewie Well depending on how well the tile glue set the lining boards could crack or end up with holes in them. They would then need to be replaced. If you get lucky and the tiles and glue come off easily you need to inspect the water proofing to see if it has been damaged. Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Ensuite Reno re Tiling 5Jun 25, 2013 4:35 pm Surely the plaster should be replaced and then waterproofed. There is honestly no way of checking 100% once tiles have been taken off wether the existing waterproofing membrane has been penetrated. I dont think its worth re-tiling and taking the risk of having a leak over a few dollars. Do it right the first time! Re: Ensuite Reno re Tiling 6Jun 25, 2013 6:59 pm Thanks guys, The en suite was leaking, hence the reno. So I will now be removing the tiles,replacing any damaged sheets and re water proofing the whole area before re tiling. Sorry I wasn't more specific before asking the question.I will be taking before and in between and after photos for those who will be interested. We start this weekend. Re: Ensuite Reno re Tiling 7Jun 26, 2013 7:15 am Robbie1950 Surely the plaster should be replaced and then waterproofed.! Whos to say its plaster board behind?? It could be villaboard?? I personally would remove the tiles and backing at the same time and then put up new villaboard. So much quicker and easier! Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Ensuite Reno re Tiling 8Jun 26, 2013 12:41 pm I agree CEK. Anytime I've been involved in a bathroom reno there is usually other problems that a quick fix just won't solve. A strip-out right back to the wall and floor framing/bare slab and new bathroom is the only way to go. Stewie Re: Ensuite Reno re Tiling 9Jun 26, 2013 10:38 pm Stewie D A strip-out right back to the wall and floor framing/bare slab and new bathroom is the only way to go. Stewie Exactly what I said Re: Ensuite Reno re Tiling 10Jun 26, 2013 10:41 pm CuttingEdgeKitchens Robbie1950 Surely the plaster should be replaced and then waterproofed.! Whos to say its plaster board behind?? It could be villaboard? Yes, and the tiles could be red or blue...? Does it really matter? You get my drift that whatever sheeting is on the wall needs to be replaced. Re: Ensuite Reno re Tiling 11Jun 27, 2013 8:15 am Robbie1950 CuttingEdgeKitchens Robbie1950 Surely the plaster should be replaced and then waterproofed.! Whos to say its plaster board behind?? It could be villaboard? Yes, and the tiles could be red or blue...? Does it really matter? You get my drift that whatever sheeting is on the wall needs to be replaced. Yes it does matter. Plaster board is really soft and will break. Villaboard is much stronger and the tiles may come off. I have actually see bathrooms with very thick villaboard on the walls that would allow the tiles to come off easily. We don't have any of this info!! We haven't seen photos of the room. It might be one of those bathrooms that has the wet areas tiled and then only a skirting tile! If the job is done properly and the tiles come off easily then its not hard to put another coat or two of waterproofing. Nothing is black and white in the building game and sometimes onsite common sense has to come into play. Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Ensuite Reno re Tiling 12Jun 27, 2013 9:48 am CuttingEdgeKitchens Yes it does matter. Plaster board is really soft and will break. Villaboard is much stronger and the tiles may come off. I have actually see bathrooms with very thick villaboard on the walls that would allow the tiles to come off easily. CuttingEdgeKitchens I personally would remove the tiles and backing at the same time and then put up new villaboard. So much quicker and easier! Not sure which way your going here. Doesnt matter though, I think we all agree it needs to be done right the first time! Re: Ensuite Reno re Tiling 13Jun 27, 2013 11:00 am Well we've done bathroom renos for clients in the past who have stripped out all the tiles without cracking sheets. All we have done is rip out the floor tiles, waterproof then re-tile. If the tiles don't come off easily and you end up destroying the sheets in the process or you want to re-position the toilet, bath etc then yes ripping out all the bathroom back to bare framing and starting again is the only way. Stewie Re: Ensuite Reno re Tiling 14Jun 27, 2013 1:22 pm Robbie1950 CuttingEdgeKitchens Yes it does matter. Plaster board is really soft and will break. Villaboard is much stronger and the tiles may come off. I have actually see bathrooms with very thick villaboard on the walls that would allow the tiles to come off easily. CuttingEdgeKitchens I personally would remove the tiles and backing at the same time and then put up new villaboard. So much quicker and easier! Not sure which way your going here. Doesnt matter though, I think we all agree it needs to be done right the first time! Your not seeing the big picture mate! There are customers/people with a lot of time on there hands and are quite willing to spend the time and remove the tiles without damaging the sheeting behind. If they have the time to do this then why do they have to replace the sheeting?? What Stewie D and I are saying is that all tradies would remove and replace the sheeting, its quicker, easier and cheaper but there are other ways of doing things and if someone has the time and inclination to remove the tiles only then yes it is possible! My father in-law remove the tiles from his shower area without replacing the villaboard, waterproofed and then re-tiled. It is possible! Everything isn't always black and white in the building game. Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Ensuite Reno re Tiling 15Jul 02, 2013 7:36 pm The Reno Started and yes we damaged most of the backing boards so they will be replaced.It is an upstairs ensuite and the floor is timber sheets. We found that the floor was raised about 25mm with some sort of compound before the floor tiles went on. I haven't really looked at it yet. they also put a fall from all sides in the shower, about 10mm to the drain. Does anyone know what they would have used ? Re: Ensuite Reno re Tiling 16Jul 07, 2013 10:01 am CuttingEdgeKitchens Yes it does matter. Plaster board is really soft and will break. Villaboard is much stronger and the tiles may come off. I have actually see bathrooms with very thick villaboard on the walls that would allow the tiles to come off easily. We don't have any of this info!! To the layperson, and unless I am very much mistaken this board is aimed towards them, there is no difference between plasterboard, villaboard, fibre cement sheet, asbestos board etc It is basically the board that lines the wall. Whilst you are 100% right that plasterboard shouldn't be used behind a shower, there is no need for this kind of petty argument. Someone has used a lay term, rather than getting high and mighty how about giving the correct advice, use the correct term and be nice about it. Re: Ensuite Reno re Tiling 17Jul 08, 2013 7:16 am AJW CuttingEdgeKitchens Whilst you are 100% right that plasterboard shouldn't be used behind a shower, there is no need for this kind of petty argument. Someone has used a lay term, rather than getting high and mighty how about giving the correct advice, use the correct term and be nice about it. Ease up there mate, you might want to take a step back yourself! I find it very annoying when professionals on forums like this give correct advice only to be told they are wrong by someone that has no idea! Not meaning you though. Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Ensuite Reno re Tiling 18Jul 08, 2013 7:28 am In the context of the reply , calling it plasterboard, although wrong, made no difference what so ever to the good advice being given to the OP. Rather than pouncing on the guy who called it plasterboard, why not just agree with him, because the advice was sound, and then nicely point out that it would unlikely to be plasterboard, but some form of sheeting suitable for bathrooms? Re: Ensuite Reno re Tiling 19Jul 10, 2013 1:53 pm Good grief AJW he didn't pounce on him as you say, CEK merely corrected him , something I find myself doing a lot of the times on these forums when someone gets their terminology wrong. It's in their interest we do that so if they do the job themselves they are using the right products. and methods or if they are employing tradies they are specifying the right gear. Stewie Re: Ensuite Reno re Tiling 20Jul 10, 2013 2:43 pm Stewie D Good grief AJW he didn't pounce on him as you say, CEK merely corrected him , something I find myself doing a lot of the times on these forums when someone gets their terminology wrong. It's in their interest we do that so if they do the job themselves they are using the right products. and methods or if they are employing tradies they are specifying the right gear. Stewie 7th post down actually. That was the time to basically agree with what Robbie was saying as the base advice of rip the lining out was correct, the wrong use of the word plaster could have then been corrected in a constructive manner. Instead it was a semi inflamatory response, which clearly got Robbies back up, when of course the basics of what he was saying is a) the right advive, and b) was the same advice you gave. He just used the 'generic' term that most people would understand. Thanks for the suggestion. The space between shower and sinks was too tight. I agree about the toilet location. 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