Browse Forums Bathrooms and Laundry 1 Nov 07, 2012 1:59 pm I'm currently building a new home with one of the large volume builders in Sydney. I did a walk through with the site supervisor recently and they had just started the water proofing and they will start tiling in a couple of weeks. My wife is concerned that they will not be tiling behind the mirrors (or the wall mounted vanities). What is standard practice? It is something that I had thought about (like many things on this build!) and I must say that my last 2 homes WERE tiled behind the mirrors (although both were not built by volume builders). She hasn't got the same concern in the kitchen... Re: Tiles in Bathroom in new House 2Nov 07, 2012 2:05 pm In my opinion i dont see a need to tile behind the mirror or vanity cabinet and it would be a waste of tiles, the mirror and cabinets are sealed to the walls without any gaps so there should be water going through.. My builder wont be tiling behind the mirror or vanity and i'm sure most builder do the same. Building Henley Monaco Nouveau Q1 - Mernda Villages https://forum.homeone.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=57810 http://razbuild.blogspot.com.au/ Re: Tiles in Bathroom in new House 3Nov 07, 2012 3:24 pm I hate fixing vanities back to tiles. You have no idea where the studs or plumbing is and you can also crack tiles. I think you get a better job fixing direct to the walls. I personally would tile behind the mirror. If the mirror is ever broken its easy to replace if its over the tiles. Not so easy when the mirror is set into the tiles. Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Tiles in Bathroom in new House 4Nov 10, 2012 8:30 am Always hide cuts with tiles. Putting the vanity in first means cuts all around the perimeter. What if in the future you need to change the vanity? Can you get exactly the same size? You are talking 1 to 1.5sqm metres. Also I always tile behind a mirror to leave an air gap between the back of the mirror and the surface behind it allowing ventilation. Reducing the build up of moisture behind a mirror reduces the chances of it discolouring on the edges. Large volume builders will go this way so they dont have to ger trades in and out at varies times. If this was say a bathroom renovation done on any budget these areas would always be tiled. Regarding plumbing and studs points I always make anote where these are. I agree it can be a drama but really just needs a little planning. Cheers Cheers Re: Tiles in Bathroom in new House 5Nov 10, 2012 8:41 am Zedman Always hide cuts with tiles. Putting the vanity in first means cuts all around the perimeter. What if in the future you need to change the vanity? Can you get exactly the same size? rs I disagree. The vanity carcuss should go on the wall before tiling and then the panels, fillers and doors after the tiling. This way your fillers and panels cover the tiles. What people need to understand is that the current trend for vanities is wall mounted. People fit nice big 300x600 wall tiles and then want to hang a large very heavy vanity off the wall. Doesnt always work so well!!! I just fitted 3 wall mounted vanities in my own house. I put in double studs behind every vanity to strengthen the wall. I then fitted the vanities before the tiles went on. This way I know exactly where the studs are, i dont have to drill through the tiles and when a screw it back to the wall you dont have the problem of the tiles cracking. The panels were then fitted after the tiling. They look brilliant and I know there wont be any sag at all and the tiles will never crack. Most vanities these days have stone tops and big heavy bowls, once the vanity is filled with all your toiletries and then the bowl filled with water just think about how heavy it has become??? I personally hate the idea of loading up the wall tiles with all this weight. You have the possibility of them cracking at some point and because alot of people are now using the large tiles the crack will extend out from behind the vanity. Yes you can get exactly the same size vanity. I build custom built vanities every day of the week. We build them to any size the customer wants! Most tilers dont like doing it this way becuase they have to tile around and under a vanity already fitted to the wall but it will give a much better job. Cutting Edge Kitchens and Cabinet Making http://cuttingedgekitchens.net.au http://www.facebook.com/pages/Cutting-Edge-Kitchens/290484196676 Mobile : 0419 430 575 PH: 9452 4772 Fax :9452 4772 cuttingedgekitchens@outlook.com Re: Tiles in Bathroom in new House 6Nov 10, 2012 9:20 am I guess we have to agree to disagree. Do you think on all project homes the builders are using filler panels and fitting stone tops after tiling? Yes a quality cabinet maker such as yourself may. Your point on tiles cracking when either load bearing or when drilling is a reflection more on the quality of the laying of the tiles than the load bearing strength of the material. How can there be sagging if the unit fixed to the tile wall - when fitted correctly the tile has only the compression load of the cabinet secured firmly to the studs? The weight of the vanity once again has nothing to do with the tiles. The loading bearing is done why the studs. Not all clients would use a custom vanity. Not all clients may want to incur that cost down the track. I believe in our line of bathroom design that it is the right way to go. Every one has there own opinion and its great to voice it on such a forum. Cheers Re: Tiles in Bathroom in new House 7Nov 10, 2012 10:36 am Zedman I guess we have to agree to disagree. Do you think on all project homes the builders are using filler panels and fitting stone tops after tiling? Yes a quality cabinet maker such as yourself may. Your point on tiles cracking when either load bearing or when drilling is a reflection more on the quality of the laying of the tiles than the load bearing strength of the material. How can there be sagging if the unit fixed to the tile wall - when fitted correctly the tile has only the compression load of the cabinet secured firmly to the studs? The weight of the vanity once again has nothing to do with the tiles. The loading bearing is done why the studs. Not all clients would use a custom vanity. Not all clients may want to incur that cost down the track. I believe in our line of bathroom design that it is the right way to go. Every one has there own opinion and its great to voice it on such a forum. Cheers Yes I agree things are done differently by large volume builders but its to save time and money not becuase its the right thing to do. Vanitys sag because of the weight of them and the lack of fixing/number of studs. I have had to fit vanities to walls where the builder has only allowed two studs behind a wall hung 1200mm vanity. In this case the material the vanity is build from will wrap, twist becuase of the lack of studs to fix it back to. The vanity will then load up the tiles along the bottom edge and crack them. Trust me I see it all the time. I get phone calls from people (not my customers) asking why it has happened and if I can fix the vanity to the wall better than the first cabinet maker. Unfortunately the walls behind vanities are rarely built with the vanity in mind. When they are built properly there is never an issue. What about when the tiler has to use the dab method to fix the tiles back?? The wall is not straight and he is using 300x600 tiles and he has to use more glue to pack the tile out to get them straight?? If you tighten a vanity back onto these tiles it will crack them. Unfortunately once the tiles are on the wall you have no idea how much glue is behind them and what method has been used. I am just saying if you were doing the job the best way possible you would always fit the vanity before tiles. If you are trying to save time and money then the vanity is fitted after tiling! 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