Browse Forums Bathrooms and Laundry 1 Dec 20, 2011 9:53 pm Hi All I hope someone/many people may be offer some advise or suggestions. We're having a number of new bathrooms installed currently and they've done the tiling. We've got a 300x300 tile on the floors. in the bathrooms there are 2 wastes a general and also a shower. The tilers have laid a simple pattern (square to the wall) and then in the shower area changed the laying pattern to 45 degrees off. I was a little disappointed becuase I was expecting to have a seamless tiling effect (especially with the frameless glass) so that you loose the shower in the floor. With the tiling pattern as is the shower is very much "the shower" by designation of pattern of tile. The tilers said they do this to get the right slope to wastes (center of shower area) however I see many new bathroom displays seem to just run tiles through the shower area without any notable change in pattern etc (seemless transition from bathroom floor area to shower area. Also The tilers have placed a water guard around where the screens will go, this L shaped angle under the tiles is very noticable (you can see it/feel it when running a foot over the area). On 1 shower the lip is quite large on 1 side and the lip isn't totally uniform around the entry shower area. With frameless glass how will it work with that water stop? Is a water stop actually needed there (I know you have to have one at the edge of the room(door) do you also have to have one at the shower (under Building code standards for bathrooms)? The tiler says it stops water getting out of the shower and under the tiles, but if it's all just continuous tiling isn't that water proof anyhow? I see in many frameless displays and they don't seem to have a water stop L shape between the shower and the bathroom - just the glass siliconed to the floor/wall and supported with C brackets. The tiler says you must have these at the shower edge - is that right? Am on on track or do I need to arm up and return to discuss with them further? Many Thanks for any input. Mark Re: tiling in bathroom, especially around/in frameless showe 2Dec 21, 2011 10:47 am Posting up a few pics makes it a lot easier to see the problems Mark. They should have waterproofed the whole floor so water getting under the tiles is a nonsense. Who is running the job - a builder ? Stewie Re: tiling in bathroom, especially around/in frameless showe 3Dec 21, 2011 11:07 am Oh no!! one of my pet hates is tiles laid on the diagonal, they do it because it's the easy way to get fall towards the waste...apparently it's a 'little' harder with square-laid tiles but can be done!! I quizzed the builder's tiler who was going to be doing the showers here (semi-frameless shower screens) and he was quick to point out that the shower floor 'may' not fully drain during the day. After a morning shower the floor drains (and dries) quickly in summer but during winter it remained 'damp' until around lunchtime. No big deal because nobody walks in the shower area during the day anyway and because the window is always open no mould or anything appeared, which would have happened during winter, if at all. The waterproofer did his thing in the bathrooms and laid the L angle you mentioned 'under' the bottom shower extrusion (remember these are semi-frameless)...the tiler cut the tiles around this angle but lined them up perfectly so they look as though they are continuous. He knew I was pedantic about this and didn't want to have to pull them up which I said would need to happen if they weren't done to my satisfaction. He wasn't the best tiler in the world but he got this right...maybe I had him frightened?? LOL There was a problem with the shower screens and I had to get the installer back (different installer, same company) and he commented that he had never seen the tiles 'continue' under the screen previously...I told him they don't, they are cut and line up to give the appearance of being continuous. Naturally he didn't believe me but I saw the tiles being laid so know how they were done. Hope this helps? Re: tiling in bathroom, especially around/in frameless showe 4Feb 07, 2012 5:17 pm This is pretty common and is done to achieve proper falls in the shower, particularly with larger format tiles. Personally having dealt with leaky showers in two properties, I'd prefer something that drains properly over something that looks snazzy but is a failure waiting to happen. Re: tiling in bathroom, especially around/in frameless showe 5Feb 07, 2012 6:32 pm Yeah as tilers have stated can make it easier to obtain fall especially when you go larger format. We don't do them that way as we don't think it looks right either, so ours are always the same as the rest of the floor. Personally I believe the tiler should have discussed the setout with the client before proceding with the installation. We always try to use grates these days & fall it all in the desired direction & using the smart waste look its even neater. As for the water stop, it does make sense to have the angle in there & leaving it protruding a few mm works sweet with a framed shower screen. With a Frameless Screen, maybe they should have built the tiles up more to reduce any lip. In the end everyone might need to work together alittle to reduce the clients dissatisfaction with the finished result, but from what I see very rarely does anyone take the time to care about all working together. Re: tiling in bathroom, especially around/in frameless showe 6Feb 09, 2012 12:26 pm The tiler definitely should have spoken to about changing the pattern in the shower, communication is paramount. Doesn't matter if you are laying tiles straight or on a 45 degree, using large tiles like 300x300s in a small area like the shower and getting fall to the centre waste, you are always going to have lippy edges. As for the waterproofing angle in the shower, the angle should have been positioned so that it was directly under the frameless shower screen, but having the angle is still necessary to retain water in the shower area. 2 4475 There is evidence of water on the head reveals. That could have happened during the build, or may be happening currently. There are water stains above a couple of windows… 2 3826 You’re on the right track, wire brush in a grinder then a zinc rich epoxy primer then a top coat of some sort, like a waterproofing membrane. Raising the concrete would… 1 7020 |