Browse Forums Bathrooms and Laundry Re: Q Re: putting cement sheet on yellow tongue for tiles 21May 04, 2011 10:38 pm ^ You're not mistaken B Star. I remember my neighbours had what looked like chicken wire laid into the sand/cement under their tiles when they were done about 15 years ago. Re: Q Re: putting cement sheet on yellow tongue for tiles 22May 05, 2011 9:01 am Thanks, Bam Now, I may be completely off track here, but I'm pretty sure that we have 'insert colour here'-tongue upstairs. They firstly installed that blue waterproofing thin sheet/plastic everywhere. Then (months later) they put screed onto it, and tiles directly into it (or maybe used glue). This is on a second storey. However, I would be also be a bit cautious with using screed (rigid) over particleboard (more flexible). Maybe you can waterproof the YT, then put an appropriate FC, then waterproof again, then tile? Oh, and I'd actually prefer to have the wet areas a bit lower than timber flooring, especially that you won't have floor wastes, if that makes sense (but that's just me). Our wet areas are higher than our timber flooring, and to me it just looks wrong My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Q Re: putting cement sheet on yellow tongue for tiles 23May 05, 2011 9:05 pm B STAR Hey Bam, as others have stated I would be putting cement sheets in preference over sand/cement over your yellow tounge. This is fairly comman at bunnings. However I am not quite sure what the thickness is. Also it is important to nail this not screw it. You will need to use flat head nails. This is better over sand and cement since timber moves sand and cement is more likely to crack in my opinion. Once cement sheet is down you need to waterproof as you plan to do. This Is simply how they used to do tiling in a house that is built on stumps. WHile it is not coman now it use to be. If I am not mistaken when they used to use sand and cement they also use to use a layer of light grade mesh to hold it all together. I must admit I havent seen it for a while (in the shops that is) Thanks heaps This is our task next week so your advice came just in time! Lex Thanks, Bam Now, I may be completely off track here, but I'm pretty sure that we have 'insert colour here'-tongue upstairs. They firstly installed that blue waterproofing thin sheet/plastic everywhere. Then (months later) they put screed onto it, and tiles directly into it (or maybe used glue). This is on a second storey. However, I would be also be a bit cautious with using screed (rigid) over particleboard (more flexible). Maybe you can waterproof the YT, then put an appropriate FC, then waterproof again, then tile? Oh, and I'd actually prefer to have the wet areas a bit lower than timber flooring, especially that you won't have floor wastes, if that makes sense (but that's just me). Our wet areas are higher than our timber flooring, and to me it just looks wrong You're right - better to have the tiles slightly lower than the timber. I had considered waterproofing the yellow tongue also, and maybe its a good idea to do in the main wet areas such as the shower recess and around bath etc Thanks Custom European Cabinets - Melbourne Kitchen Specialist PM for business details as website currently being updated! Our Crazy Owner Builder Journey! Re: Q Re: putting cement sheet on yellow tongue for tiles 24May 06, 2011 7:22 am Quote: You're right - better to have the tiles slightly lower than the timber. Please ignore this advice - it is just wrong. If you have the tiles lower than the timber flooring, the exposed edge of the timber will get destroyed. Timber is soft. The foot traffic, never mind moisture from the bathroom settling on it, will over time, reduce this edge to a soft, split, dirty mess. And no, before some expert wades in, the polyurethane floor costing will not be strong enough to protect it. The way things are done is because they work. Paul Re: Q Re: putting cement sheet on yellow tongue for tiles 25May 06, 2011 9:01 am In my 40 years of living in Melbourne I have never had a floor waste and never had a problem... I did actually querie the builder about it, but they won't put them in as it's not 'standard'. Anyway, from my experience of renovating a bathroom with a house on stumps was the tiled floor was higher than the rest due to the layer of cement sheet and the tiles on top of the flooring. Many, many older houses around Melbourne (renovated) would be exactly the same if they are on stumps and have had the floor boards polished and tiles in the bathrooms....and NO floor wastes. Isn't that why we all have house insurance? Just on the very rare chance that things like washing machines overflow... Henley - Wilshire Mk 3 ... I love my house!! Site start: 4th Feb 09 Handover: 10th Sep 09 Blog: http://stormygirlscastle.blogspot.com/ Build Thread: viewtopic.php?t=7166 Re: Q Re: putting cement sheet on yellow tongue for tiles 26May 06, 2011 1:52 pm BuilderPaul Quote: You're right - better to have the tiles slightly lower than the timber. Please ignore this advice - it is just wrong. If you have the tiles lower than the timber flooring, the exposed edge of the timber will get destroyed. Timber is soft. The foot traffic, never mind moisture from the bathroom settling on it, will over time, reduce this edge to a soft, split, dirty mess. And no, before some expert wades in, the polyurethane floor costing will not be strong enough to protect it. The way things are done is because they work. Paul BuilderPaul, having tiles slightly lower than timber is no issue at all. There are numerous trims available (and in various materials, eg. metal, timber, plastic etc). that you can install to not only protect the timber edge (&including any underlays or battens etc), but also to hide these "undergarments" if they are still higher than tiles. In fact, we already have a pretty and sleek Al trim on the finished timber areas and they look, as well as perform, shmick! (BTW, I can't believe that anyone would think that water based, oil based, or even as you mentioned polyurethane floor coating can actually protect timber floor from mechanical or water damage ) My signature is distracting people from my wise posts ... Re: Q Re: putting cement sheet on yellow tongue for tiles 27May 06, 2011 9:41 pm BuilderPaul Quote: You're right - better to have the tiles slightly lower than the timber. Please ignore this advice - it is just wrong. If you have the tiles lower than the timber flooring, the exposed edge of the timber will get destroyed. Timber is soft. The foot traffic, never mind moisture from the bathroom settling on it, will over time, reduce this edge to a soft, split, dirty mess. And no, before some expert wades in, the polyurethane floor costing will not be strong enough to protect it. The way things are done is because they work. Paul Excuse my lack of knowledge on correct terms, but there will be a metal strip between the tiling and timber Stormy, thats what our current house is like - tiles higher than timber due to the cement sheet etc But we've worked around it with this house because we dont like it that way So if there ends up being a difference, it should be minimal (I hope!) Custom European Cabinets - Melbourne Kitchen Specialist PM for business details as website currently being updated! Our Crazy Owner Builder Journey! Re: Q Re: putting cement sheet on yellow tongue for tiles 28May 06, 2011 10:03 pm we have our bathroom tiles a little lower than the floorboards. there is no metal strip but the timber is not exposed; I think that would be dreadfully poor workmanship if that ever happened. Our timber is graduated down with the same type of timber used on the rest of the floorbpard and coated with polyurethane, which I don't expect to protect the floor from water damage just as I don't expect it to protect from water damage in all the other rooms we have our timber flooring in! "Your emotions are the slaves to your thoughts, and you are the slave to your emotions." — Elizabeth Gilbert Living in our new house. Currently scaping the land. Re: Q Re: putting cement sheet on yellow tongue for tiles 29May 09, 2011 6:33 pm chrisandkate He used 6mm Aqua check. Chris and Kate, the Aqua check that you mention, is that what the wet area cement sheet is called? 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