Browse Forums Bathrooms and Laundry Re: Noob renovating bathroom 23Mar 16, 2009 3:31 pm IMO its still easier to re-sheet the walls with new Villaboard than to try and clean up those old walls. Re: Noob renovating bathroom 24Mar 16, 2009 4:16 pm Dukekamaya IMO its still easier to re-sheet the walls with new Villaboard than to try and clean up those old walls. I agree, it would lower the cause of any trouble later in the renovation. Sometimes it just doesn't pay to skimp or save time because you end up spending more on both. Don't ask me how I know ... Re: Noob renovating bathroom 25Mar 25, 2009 6:06 am Hi, there. I saw this post and couldn't believe my eyes - I'VE GOT THE SAME ENSUITE - well actually my tiles are more old fashioned but the size and layout look exactly the same. I am hoping to start renovating the ensuite soon so I will be watching your progress with great interest. Can I ask what you are doing with yours? Keeping the same layout? Colours of tiles etc? Re: Noob renovating bathroom 26Mar 25, 2009 8:40 pm UPDATE: I didn't do much progress last weekend mainly for 2 reasons. 1) I like sleeping too much. 2) We went one step forward - one step back on Saturday. Basically we successfully filled the hole as planned. It required about 7kg of cement mix. Then, when we were doing a lower stud, we nailed a water pipe that was cemented in the floor (didn't check for it)... We were really shocked as we didn't really plan to change or do anything to plumbing or disconnect the house from water for long time and it was 5pm already... So we did manage to block the pipe and went to bunnings to get pipe and soldering kit. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Then when we started fixing it we realized that we couldn't disconnect the house completely. I guess the tab wasn't strong enough or was just old to hold the pressure. It did switch off the water from the other bathroom or any other tabs that were higher but the water was still leaking from our broken pipe. Obviously we couldn't solder it like that... In the end of the day we opened two other tabs outside of the house that were just above the ground; that removed water pressure and let us fixed the pipe. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Next day we cemented the pipe back and finished the studs... I know cementing water pipe wasn't the best idea, but I guess it's not too bad, it was like that for 30 or so years... Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ As to answer the question what I'm planning to do with it. Next thing to do is floor waterproofing. But in overall the layout will stay the same. Hobless shower, new shower screen, new vanity, heater lamps(not sure what they are called properly), modern tiles, new paint, new door(the old one was inside of the bathroom and took a lot of space)... Re: Noob renovating bathroom 27Mar 25, 2009 9:36 pm Have you got those new stud sections sitting under the old ones? How did you join them? The correct way is to run the replacement length approx. 600mm past the bottom of the old stud and glue + screw them together. You still have a few noggins to fit too. You will need to sheet the wall before waterproofing. Remember Villaboard must be edge-nailed every 200mm. Normal practice is to 'double-up' the noggins or to turn the noggin up on its side so you have enough timber to nail the top and bottom of the sheets along the centre join. As for cementing the pipe....... Re: Noob renovating bathroom 28Mar 26, 2009 7:59 am Thanks for advice! I guess second bathroom is going to be so much easier Most of new studs are under the old ones and connected with metal angels, glue and nails. I couldn't do it to one of them due to lack of space and did the way you described. You are right, I will have to add more wood between the studs for the walls. As for the waterproofing I thought it was supposed to be done in 2 steps. As the first step I was planning to install angels with high sides along the walls as well as the angel for the shower area. Then use that waterproofing liquid and bond breaker, then finish the walls and waterproof them... I guess it might be overkill or useless actions but they make sence to me... Re: Noob renovating bathroom 29Mar 26, 2009 6:03 pm The metal angle thing is an old technique not really in practice anymore. If you want to that then waterproof the wall/floor junctions in the current technique, your well within your rights to. Re: Noob renovating bathroom 30Mar 26, 2009 6:57 pm Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ This is my laundry/2nd bathroom that I relocated to a different part of the house. The only waterproofing required by law before the walls went on was around the bottom where the shower base was fitted. This is of course a little different if the the floor is tiled (i.e. no base) Re: Noob renovating bathroom 31Mar 26, 2009 8:24 pm Just don't forget that you will need to screed your floor before waterproofing it. I noticed that you used to have a terrazzo hob in your shower that you have now jackhammered out, so you will need to recreate the fall to your shower waste before you do anything else to the floor. Otherwise you will have a pretty big puddle of water thats not going to go anywhere. And unless you are happy to have a thick screed, you will prob have to grind your existing concrete slab to get the fall. I just have to warn you though, as I'm not sure if you realize or not, but because you have undertaken this work yourself, if anything goes wrong at any time in the bathroom, your house insurance wont cover you for any damage. So if that water pipe you soldered bursts and floods the house, it wont be under insurance. It also has serious implications if you ever want to sell the house. Sorry, its just the bathroom renovator in me speaking, I've seen the result of too many home renovation jobs to not give you a heads up. Good luck with the renovation though, this forum is a great place to get ideas. Built with Bentley homes in Doreen All moved in Dec 2009 Now for the garden! Our stuff so far viewtopic.php?f=31&t=16532 Re: Noob renovating bathroom 32Mar 26, 2009 8:45 pm The screed is laid over the floor after the water-proofing is applied. This is because tile adhesive cannot be applied over the water-proofing agent - it won't adhere properly. Re: Noob renovating bathroom 33Mar 26, 2009 8:57 pm Ooops, you're right I'm tired and my brain isn't working Built with Bentley homes in Doreen All moved in Dec 2009 Now for the garden! Our stuff so far viewtopic.php?f=31&t=16532 Re: Noob renovating bathroom 34Mar 27, 2009 9:03 am Thanks a lot guys, great info... So, Dukekamaya, you still did some waterproofing before the walls, right? That's why I thought that I lay the angles alone the walls and the one to separate shower from the rest of the bathroom first then waterproof them together with the floor. BTW: I'm not sure if it makes sense to do the angles through the whole bathroom or only shower area. I think by standard whole bathroom is not required but then again it's not that big of a job to do the whole thing... And then when I get the villaboards done I'll waterproof its junctions. Also I want to get heater lamps, I don't want to touch eclectics in the bathroom myself so I'm gonna call in electrician in. Do I need to provide him with the lamp(are the ones from bunnings aright?) or should I buy one from him. Re: Noob renovating bathroom 35Mar 27, 2009 4:56 pm The waterproofing done after the walls are lined removes any need for metal angles in the corners etc. I used a Marbletrend solid base which is checked directly into the studs, for this reason I had to waterproof in behind the base. http://www.marbletrend.com.au/cms/pro_sheets/MT_install_37.pdf If you are tiling the floor there is no need for it http://www.jameshardie.com.au/products/villaboard.html What you are looking at is fibrous plaster, true gypsum, it is cast on horizontal beds with fibers included to give strength. I has no Asbestos in it. Houses before 1985… 2 7138 Render your bathroom walls, two opinions versus the one, makes you wonder. 3 6062 Hi Geoff Install Puddle Flange prior to any screed. Puddle flange needs to be flush with the surface so you may need to grind away the surface to achieve this. Also as… 2 8370 |