Browse Forums Bathrooms and Laundry Re: Waterstop Angle at shower screen? 10Dec 07, 2021 10:37 pm 3simon tangle88 Hi, Just curious how do you have the frameless shower screen sits above the waterstop angle? Isn't the angle suppose to come above the finished tile floor level a little bit (5-10mm I guess). I thought the frameless screen itself should sit right on the tile outside the shower area? Thanks The tiler did one angle above another. It's a bit hard to explain in words, so here's a picture. There is a slight lip between the shower tile area and outside tile area, the purpose of the lip i guess is to stop water form puddling at the foot of the shower screen and unnecessarily rely on the silicone seal. Where the lip is, the tiler stacked two angles on top of each another. The bottom one being made out of plastic so he can cut it to suit his set up and is completely buried underneath the tiles. The one that is 'visible' is the metal angle on top, which is the same level as the lip. But because the lip is so slight, you don't really notice anything and it becomes quite seamless. Hope this makes sense. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Your explanation with the drawings make a lot of sense to me. I understand that the plastic angle is what we call the "Waterstop" to prevent water inside the shower area coming out. The metal angle is probably just a finish trim for the tiles outside the shower area. One thing I didn't quite get is the "lip" that you mentioned. What material is that and where exactly is that placed at? Re: Waterstop Angle at shower screen? 11Dec 08, 2021 5:11 am tangle88 3simon tangle88 Hi, Just curious how do you have the frameless shower screen sits above the waterstop angle? Isn't the angle suppose to come above the finished tile floor level a little bit (5-10mm I guess). I thought the frameless screen itself should sit right on the tile outside the shower area? Thanks The tiler did one angle above another. It's a bit hard to explain in words, so here's a picture. There is a slight lip between the shower tile area and outside tile area, the purpose of the lip i guess is to stop water form puddling at the foot of the shower screen and unnecessarily rely on the silicone seal. Where the lip is, the tiler stacked two angles on top of each another. The bottom one being made out of plastic so he can cut it to suit his set up and is completely buried underneath the tiles. The one that is 'visible' is the metal angle on top, which is the same level as the lip. But because the lip is so slight, you don't really notice anything and it becomes quite seamless. Hope this makes sense. Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Your explanation with the drawings make a lot of sense to me. I understand that the plastic angle is what we call the "Waterstop" to prevent water inside the shower area coming out. The metal angle is probably just a finish trim for the tiles outside the shower area. One thing I didn't quite get is the "lip" that you mentioned. What material is that and where exactly is that placed at? It’s a step-down from the outside tile area to the shower area, the step-down only measures a few mm. Re: Waterstop Angle at shower screen? 12Dec 14, 2021 11:18 pm 3simon It’s a step-down from the outside tile area to the shower area, the step-down only measures a few mm. Just trying to find out what the minimum step down depth is or if there is any regulations enforcing it? I'm trying to do a 20mm screed on my concrete floor but then I realize I wouldn't have much room left for the shower area to have a step down because the shower area needs a fall to the drainage. All my bathroom drainage is towards one side across end of the shower under the shower head. Have you come across this issue before? There is another issue bothers me, I'm planning to install one of those liner grate in the shower but the thickness is 20mm usually. Can I chase my concrete floor to embed it in? Otherwise the shower area screed needs to start from 30mm to make a fall to the grate, this also lift the entire bathroom screed level. https://www.factoryfast.com.au/products ... ndEALw_wcB Re: Waterstop Angle at shower screen? 13Dec 15, 2021 9:11 am The guy put the wrong details up. Now you'll have a 30mm step up over a flat slab... a real toe breaker (humour) The correct way is to step down the slab to the wet areas, this should be approx. 30mm, the screed brings the tiles to the FFL To maintain slab thickness consistency the top reinforcement mesh should also be stepped down as well. Furthermore a top class job should have 2 row of reinforcement mesh, etc,etc. I'll also add grinding the slab and chasing the grate compromisers the mesh covering hth Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Waterstop Angle at shower screen? 14Dec 15, 2021 10:09 pm StructuralBIMGuy The guy put the wrong details up. Now you'll have a 30mm step up over a flat slab... a real toe breaker (humour) The correct way is to step down the slab to the wet areas, this should be approx. 30mm, the screed brings the tiles to the FFL To maintain slab thickness consistency the top reinforcement mesh should also be stepped down as well. Furthermore a top class job should have 2 row of reinforcement mesh, etc,etc. I'll also add grinding the slab and chasing the grate compromisers the mesh covering hth Like ⋅ Add a comment ⋅ Pin to Ideaboard ⋅ Actually you put the wrong detail up. The OP and subsequent discussion has nothing to do with slab step downs in wet areas, it's about water stop angles and their implementation. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Waterstop Angle at shower screen? 15Dec 15, 2021 10:20 pm tangle88 3simon It’s a step-down from the outside tile area to the shower area, the step-down only measures a few mm. Just trying to find out what the minimum step down depth is or if there is any regulations enforcing it? I'm trying to do a 20mm screed on my concrete floor but then I realize I wouldn't have much room left for the shower area to have a step down because the shower area needs a fall to the drainage. All my bathroom drainage is towards one side across end of the shower under the shower head. Have you come across this issue before? There is another issue bothers me, I'm planning to install one of those liner grate in the shower but the thickness is 20mm usually. Can I chase my concrete floor to embed it in? Otherwise the shower area screed needs to start from 30mm to make a fall to the grate, this also lift the entire bathroom screed level. https://www.factoryfast.com.au/products ... ndEALw_wcB You technically don't need any step down into the shower area. You can simply have a flat floor that extends right through into the shower. We've had it in our last 2 houses. You can even grade the entire floor back to your shower and eliminate any external floor wastes if you can fit it into your screed levels. As far as chasing the slab to fit the linear drain, yeah you can. It's not ideal and it's normally best to have planned for it in the initial build but often in reno work where it's a retro fit you have to do what you need to do. Obviously remove the minimal amount. Don't forget your puddle flange underneath the drain . Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Waterstop Angle at shower screen? 16Dec 15, 2021 11:15 pm chippy tangle88 Just trying to find out what the minimum step down depth is or if there is any regulations enforcing it? I'm trying to do a 20mm screed on my concrete floor but then I realize I wouldn't have much room left for the shower area to have a step down because the shower area needs a fall to the drainage. All my bathroom drainage is towards one side across end of the shower under the shower head. Have you come across this issue before? There is another issue bothers me, I'm planning to install one of those liner grate in the shower but the thickness is 20mm usually. Can I chase my concrete floor to embed it in? Otherwise the shower area screed needs to start from 30mm to make a fall to the grate, this also lift the entire bathroom screed level. https://www.factoryfast.com.au/products ... ndEALw_wcB You technically don't need any step down into the shower area. You can simply have a flat floor that extends right through into the shower. We've had it in our last 2 houses. You can even grade the entire floor back to your shower and eliminate any external floor wastes if you can fit it into your screed levels. As far as chasing the slab to fit the linear drain, yeah you can. It's not ideal and it's normally best to have planned for it in the initial build but often in reno work where it's a retro fit you have to do what you need to do. Obviously remove the minimal amount. Don't forget your puddle flange underneath the drain . Thanks for your reply Chippy. We actually had that thought to have a flat floor extends into the shower area, but since we going to use frameless shower screen if there is any water pooled in the shower it might leak to the bathroom. How did you solve that problem? When you say remove the minimal amount, is 10mm ok to take out? my first floor suspended slab thickness is 230mm. I presume 10-20mm would be safe to do ? Re: Waterstop Angle at shower screen? 17Dec 16, 2021 12:18 am We have walk in shower with no door. We have a tiled nib wall with frameless glass on top of that. The vanity runs up to the nib wall. I'm not an engineer but 10mm of concrete is a tiny amount. It's less than 5% of a 230mm slab and will still leave plenty of cover over your reinforcing. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Waterstop Angle at shower screen? 18Dec 16, 2021 12:47 am If it's upstairs, waterproof the entire bathroom floor. Are you waterproofing before or after screed? Personally, I get the plumbing sorted first including the puddle flange, then have the tiler screed and then waterproof on top of screed and into puddle flanges. I use waterproofing tape on all internal corners rather than just bond breaking with silicone. Waterproof all the walls in the shower area to 2.0m or the top of tiles. Waterproof all the floors and up the walls at least 100mm outside the shower. Basically tank the entire floor. Waterproofing is critical so take the time and effort to get it right. Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Re: Waterstop Angle at shower screen? 19Dec 16, 2021 7:53 am tangle88 There is another issue bothers me, I'm planning to install one of those liner grate in the shower but the thickness is 20mm usually. Can I chase my concrete floor to embed it in? Otherwise the shower area screed needs to start from 30mm to make a fall to the grate, this also lift the entire bathroom screed level. Hey Chippy you obviously missed this part? Here's a tip start with the correct detail in the building sequence and Try Following the whole build sequence. Nor should you be giving engineering advise on suspended slabs tangle88 I suggest you contact the Council building surveyor hth Designer,Engineer (Civil,Const & Envir),Builder,Concrete & Masonry Contract.Struct Repairs Re: Waterstop Angle at shower screen? 20Dec 16, 2021 8:53 am StructuralBIMGuy tangle88 There is another issue bothers me, I'm planning to install one of those liner grate in the shower but the thickness is 20mm usually. Can I chase my concrete floor to embed it in? Otherwise the shower area screed needs to start from 30mm to make a fall to the grate, this also lift the entire bathroom screed level. Hey Chippy you obviously missed this part? Here's a tip start with the correct detail in the building sequence and Try Following the whole build sequence. Nor should you be giving engineering advise on suspended slabs tangle88 I suggest you contact the Council building surveyor hth It's a renovation so a bit late to be start with the correct detail, you work with what you have. I said I'm not an engineer so it's up to tangle to decide how to progress regards chasing the slab, however I'm sure even you would agree that 10mm isn't a deal breaker. Some grano workers would be lucky to work within 10mm on a slab pour. By the way, I notice you call yourself a builder on some sites, what your builders number? Accessible Carpentry & Cabinets accessiblecarpentry@gmail.com accessiblecarpentry.com.au https://www.facebook.com/pages/Accessible-Carpentry-Cabinets/583314911709039 Your shower screen has failed in the way it is designed to fail with tempered glass. You could replace it with laminated safety glass but make sure it has AS standards logo on it 1 11171 You have no photo with your post. 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