Browse Forums Heating, Cooling & Insulation 1 Jan 07, 2011 10:04 am Hi forum members, Just need some advise regarding these quotes which we have received. Can you please advise comments on these brands and prices. Our home is 4 bedroom and living/dining/kitchen open area. So we need about 6 vents. We located in Melbourne. 1. Brivis Contour L33 6 outlets $4200.00 2. Braemar LCB350 6 outlets $3800.00 3. Breezair EXH170 Harmony 6 outlets $4400.00 4. Bonaire SBM65 6 outlets $3850.00 5. Braemar LCB450 6 outlets $3750.00 6. Celair profile 750 6 outlets $3350.00 7. Brivis profiler 53 7 outlets $3890.00 8. Bonaire VSL65 7 outlets $3780.00 9. Bramear LCB550 5 outlets $4030.00 10. Bonaire summer breeze 6 outlets VSM65 $3750.00 11. Bonaire integra VSM65 weather seal+programmable controller 6 outlets $4050.00 12. Brivis Contour L43 7 outlets $4500.00 13. Bonaire VSM65 6 outlets enivroseal winter seal + enviroflow dump value $3999.00 14. Brivis P63 6 outlets enivroseal winter seal + enviroflow dump value $3890.00 15. Bonaire VSM65 6 outlets manual control + full self cleaning features drain value is included $3500.00 16. Brivis Advance F43 7 outlets $4000.00 17. Breezair EXH190 6 outlet $4917.00 18. Coolair CPL1100 6 outlet $4141.00 19. Coolbreeze QAC160 6 outlet $4120.00 20. 6 points. 2 larger ones in living area and 300 mm in each of 4 bedrooms. Omega 210 cooler kit with ducts, dropper box, vents etc. all inclusive is $ 2300. Full installation is $ 800 extra Apologies for all these above quotes, I have been doing some research in the last month. Just need people opinions regarding these brands and model. Regards Sam Thanks again for your help. Re: Evaporative Cooling - Melbourne 2Jan 07, 2011 11:15 am Wow, thats a lot of quotes. Is that from the same supplier or across different companies ? Can you order them ranked on which one best meets your needs, or are they largely the same ? Do you do basic maintenance yourself ? Might also want to consider what pads do they use, and how much are they to replace, and how close the nearest spare part provider is. The last thing you want is something that represents great value but isnt directly aligned with what you need. Most systems seem to hover around 4K +/- 10%, so price is probably not that important compared to performance ? Why are priates scary ? Because they yaargh.. Re: Evaporative Cooling - Melbourne 3Jan 07, 2011 11:29 am Hi Turri, Does your quotes include the same details for all? Same duct sizes for each room and living area? Waterpoint and electrical point - are you providing these or are they? What kind of ducts are being used? Plastic??? Are they insulated?? What type of controller is included in the price? Is it a basic one? Do you have to pay extra to upgrade it? I paid $4200 for a Brivis Contour L43 - 6 outlets. I also got the network controller and my ducted heater got microchipped so I didn't have to have two controllers sticking out of my wall. Re: Evaporative Cooling - Melbourne 4Jan 07, 2011 1:10 pm Captain Morgan Wow, thats a lot of quotes. Is that from the same supplier or across different companies ? Can you order them ranked on which one best meets your needs, or are they largely the same ? Do you do basic maintenance yourself ? Might also want to consider what pads do they use, and how much are they to replace, and how close the nearest spare part provider is. The last thing you want is something that represents great value but isnt directly aligned with what you need. Most systems seem to hover around 4K +/- 10%, so price is probably not that important compared to performance ? Thanks, All these quotes are from all different companies which can supply and install the units. Their are so many brands out there, But I don't know which one will be good. I can do basic maintenance myself. Plus my father in-law is a plumber. Just can't the price difference from each brand, If they all do the same thing. Re: Evaporative Cooling - Melbourne 5Jan 07, 2011 1:14 pm flagstaffIV Hi Turri, Does your quotes include the same details for all? Same duct sizes for each room and living area? Waterpoint and electrical point - are you providing these or are they? What kind of ducts are being used? Plastic??? Are they insulated?? What type of controller is included in the price? Is it a basic one? Do you have to pay extra to upgrade it? I paid $4200 for a Brivis Contour L43 - 6 outlets. I also got the network controller and my ducted heater got microchipped so I didn't have to have two controllers sticking out of my wall. Pretty the all advise me that they will supply different size ducts for the living area compared to the bedrooms. All will supply electrical and water point for the units. We currently have water and power point in the roof. Due to the heater and the solar panels for the hot water. Regarding the ducts and controllers, Not sure must be standard ones. Re: Evaporative Cooling - Melbourne 6Jan 07, 2011 1:15 pm Wow. Cant believe you found that many to quote! Was hard enough trying to find a couple lol Custom European Cabinets - Melbourne Kitchen Specialist PM for business details as website currently being updated! Our Crazy Owner Builder Journey! Re: Evaporative Cooling - Melbourne 7Jan 07, 2011 2:24 pm Hi Turri, We're in Adelaide and going through the same sort of thing. In our present house we've had a Breezair and it's been brilliant. With the water saving device we haven't wasted a lot of water. It's been going for 7 years and hasn't missed a beat. I can't get over how much these units have gone up though. We would like to go Breezair again if we can manage it. Handover February 2011 Happy with our home Re: Evaporative Cooling - Melbourne 8Jan 07, 2011 5:06 pm The main difference between these units is the only one with a centrifugal fan is the Breezeair (pumps air) all the other have axial fans (like a propeller) which blow air. Centrifugal is typically quieter. How many have included some form of water management system? Provided they have enough capacity in airflow and enough outlets all will basically work. Check structural and mechanical warranties and make sure (IMO) you have some form of water management system. I prefer controls which can be programmed and if you are considering ducted gas heating make sure the controller is compatible with the gas unit - saves on multiple controls. Rule out the smaller capacity units (Brivis L33 / Braemar LCB350) whilst they can drive 6 outlets (max) everyone else has gone larger Quote #9 looks odd - large enough unit but I doubt enough outlets. As a rule of thumb a 400mm diameter outlet (duct internal diameter) will cool about 27 m2 with standard ceiling heights (2.45m) and no exposed glass facing north or west 300mm will do 15m2 most bedrooms / studies 350mm will do 21m2 lounge or master bedroom typically A 450mm diameter duct may be utilised in some circumstances to what they call a six way grille (6 adjustable louvers instead of 4) cooling around 33m2 (standard) Breezair is renowned as being a top end product (Braemar and Coolair are manufactured by the same company - Seeley International) and they are generally priced and ranked in that order of features and quality Brivis has a good name and the main difference with these is the contoured shape to "hug" the profile of your roof. You should be able to compare water management systems and controls between all these on your quotes. Bonaire has been around for ages - Coolbreeze I believe is manufactured in WA For me I would go Breezeair for the centrifugal fan but this isn't required unless you are trying to push air 12m+ from the unit - 10/11 outlet systems sometimes require this. As standard I would suggest Adjustable blades on the grilles (MDO - multi directional outlets). I dare say most, if not all have this and not fixed blades Dropper (what the unit sits on) can be metal or plastic. Plastic won't corrode and is made strong enough. Some form of winterseal (these close louvres below the units fan to prevent cold drafts in winter coming in. Some are counterweighted but I believe Brivis is driven closed by a motor. Minimum R.06 insulated duct. R1.0 is used for refrigerated systems typically Y piece fittings which join a larger duct to 2 smaller ones (you probably only will only have 2) do not have to be insulated but some may use insulated ones (I doubt it) Programmable controller Water management system - these can vary between brands with sensors which detect water quality but I personally do not like ones that "dump" the water on a timed basis or when you turn the unit off - seems a waste As far as maintenance goes it really is a simple cleaning of the filter pads once a year I would pick a brand of unit - compare the inclusions and extras then narrow your quotes down to be comparable - apples for apples. You get what you pay for! Re: Evaporative Cooling - Melbourne 9Jan 07, 2011 7:13 pm MagicMuppetMan The main difference between these units is the only one with a centrifugal fan is the Breezeair (pumps air) all the other have axial fans (like a propeller) which blow air. Centrifugal is typically quieter. How many have included some form of water management system? Provided they have enough capacity in airflow and enough outlets all will basically work. Check structural and mechanical warranties and make sure (IMO) you have some form of water management system. I prefer controls which can be programmed and if you are considering ducted gas heating make sure the controller is compatible with the gas unit - saves on multiple controls. Rule out the smaller capacity units (Brivis L33 / Braemar LCB350) whilst they can drive 6 outlets (max) everyone else has gone larger Quote #9 looks odd - large enough unit but I doubt enough outlets. As a rule of thumb a 400mm diameter outlet (duct internal diameter) will cool about 27 m2 with standard ceiling heights (2.45m) and no exposed glass facing north or west 300mm will do 15m2 most bedrooms / studies 350mm will do 21m2 lounge or master bedroom typically A 450mm diameter duct may be utilised in some circumstances to what they call a six way grille (6 adjustable louvers instead of 4) cooling around 33m2 (standard) Breezair is renowned as being a top end product (Braemar and Coolair are manufactured by the same company - Seeley International) and they are generally priced and ranked in that order of features and quality Brivis has a good name and the main difference with these is the contoured shape to "hug" the profile of your roof. You should be able to compare water management systems and controls between all these on your quotes. Bonaire has been around for ages - Coolbreeze I believe is manufactured in WA For me I would go Breezeair for the centrifugal fan but this isn't required unless you are trying to push air 12m+ from the unit - 10/11 outlet systems sometimes require this. As standard I would suggest Adjustable blades on the grilles (MDO - multi directional outlets). I dare say most, if not all have this and not fixed blades Dropper (what the unit sits on) can be metal or plastic. Plastic won't corrode and is made strong enough. Some form of winterseal (these close louvres below the units fan to prevent cold drafts in winter coming in. Some are counterweighted but I believe Brivis is driven closed by a motor. Minimum R.06 insulated duct. R1.0 is used for refrigerated systems typically Y piece fittings which join a larger duct to 2 smaller ones (you probably only will only have 2) do not have to be insulated but some may use insulated ones (I doubt it) Programmable controller Water management system - these can vary between brands with sensors which detect water quality but I personally do not like ones that "dump" the water on a timed basis or when you turn the unit off - seems a waste As far as maintenance goes it really is a simple cleaning of the filter pads once a year I would pick a brand of unit - compare the inclusions and extras then narrow your quotes down to be comparable - apples for apples. Thank you very much for replying to my post MagicMuppetman, I'll take on board on what you have replied regarding these brands and features. So just stick to the well know brands and do research on their features. Re: Evaporative Cooling - Melbourne 10Jan 07, 2011 7:28 pm They all use air and water to cool and in principle will all work provided they are sized correctly. Bearing in mind they are evaporative "coolers" not air "conditioners" so precise temperature control cannot necessarily be achieved. Value for money whole of home cooling! Most have similar options - they just go about it a different way or may have it as an extra whilst some will come with all the bells and whistles Do pay attention to the various warranties on structural / parts and labour. Usually a good indication of quality. Get out to a showroom/s and have a look at the units. Most dealers will deal with perhaps 2 brands usually one of a higher quality (and cost) and a more budget conscious brand. In saying that even each brand has various levels of features Good luck and any questions, feel free to ask You get what you pay for! Re: Evaporative Cooling - Melbourne 11Jan 13, 2011 4:34 pm Today I have revised all my quotes and went to a showroom today. The gentleman advise the Brivis Contour L53 x 7 outlets would be the best model for our home. It's very quiet fan, it has a better winterseal compare the others and also a good pump system. The price i was quoted was $4150.00. Please advise you comments. Re: Evaporative Cooling - Melbourne 12Jan 14, 2011 10:20 am Turri, Seems to be an adequate system based on your other quotes. That model is the top end of the Brivis range. Now you know what model and number of outlets you want - shop it! Given our lack of summer (in Melbourne) I know there are dealers out there willing to buy business as they rely on summer to generate most of their income. Seems a good price but no harm in getting a few "apples for apples" quotes Good luck You get what you pay for! Re: Evaporative Cooling - Melbourne 13Jan 14, 2011 1:09 pm had a brivis contour for over 5 years - it was quiet and very reliable - never broke down once. If I had to put an evap cooler in my new place it would be the brivis contour. DC Re: Evaporative Cooling - Melbourne 14Jan 17, 2011 9:53 am Hello. New to this forum but would love some advice too on evap in Melbourne. I am really interested to know where you got your quote from magicmuppetman.....I have been quoted 7 vents Brivis L53 for $4575, also quoted Breezair 190, 5 vents $4100 or 7 vents he would do for $4500 to match other brivis quote. Re: Evaporative Cooling - Melbourne 15Jan 17, 2011 5:00 pm cassigirl, It is Turri who has been getting the quotes - perhaps ask them which companies they had quote. You get what you pay for! Re: Evaporative Cooling - Melbourne 17Jan 20, 2011 4:44 pm As another example I was just quoted for my 32sq house im building Cooling: To supply and install a Braemar LCB 550 Charcoal to 8 outlets using R6 rated silver ducting. Vent Locations/Sizes: Bed 1 -14” Living-16” Meals-14” Bed 2- 12” Bed 3 -12” Family-16” Leisure-14” Bed 4- 12” Owner to organise for a Powerpoint and Water point to be left in the roof close to unit location. Heating: To Supply and Install a Braemar TH430 (4star rated, 30kw) Gas Ducted Heater to 13 outlets, With 3 zone areas Vent Locations/Amount in area: Bed 1 x 1 Living x 2 Meals x 2 Bed 2 x 1 Bath x 1 Bed 3 x 1 Family x 2 Leisure x 1 Bed 4 x 1 Ensuite x 1 Zone 1 will include Bed 1 + ensuite Zone 2 will include Bed 2, 3, 4 and Bathroom Zone 3 will include Living, family, meals and Leisure Both Heating and cooling units will run of 1 “Spectrolink” control, which is fully programmable. Owner to organise for a Powerpoint and Light socket, as well as gas point at Heater location. $8600.. No sure how good it is but hope it helps Re: Evaporative Cooling - Melbourne 18Jun 23, 2017 2:42 pm Turri Hi forum members, Just need some advise regarding these quotes which we have received. Can you please advise comments on these brands and prices. Our home is 4 bedroom and living/dining/kitchen open area. So we need about 6 vents. We located in Melbourne. 1. Brivis Contour L33 6 outlets $4200.00 2. Braemar LCB350 6 outlets $3800.00 3. Breezair EXH170 Harmony 6 outlets $4400.00 4. Bonaire SBM65 6 outlets $3850.00 5. Braemar LCB450 6 outlets $3750.00 6. Celair profile 750 6 outlets $3350.00 7. Brivis profiler 53 7 outlets $3890.00 8. Bonaire VSL65 7 outlets $3780.00 9. Bramear LCB550 5 outlets $4030.00 10. Bonaire summer breeze 6 outlets VSM65 $3750.00 11. Bonaire integra VSM65 weather seal+programmable controller 6 outlets $4050.00 12. Brivis Contour L43 7 outlets $4500.00 13. Bonaire VSM65 6 outlets enivroseal winter seal + enviroflow dump value $3999.00 14. Brivis P63 6 outlets enivroseal winter seal + enviroflow dump value $3890.00 15. Bonaire VSM65 6 outlets manual control + full self cleaning features drain value is included $3500.00 16. Brivis Advance F43 7 outlets $4000.00 17. Breezair EXH190 6 outlet $4917.00 18. Coolair CPL1100 6 outlet $4141.00 19. Coolbreeze QAC160 6 outlet $4120.00 20. 6 points. 2 larger ones in living area and 300 mm in each of 4 bedrooms. Omega 210 cooler kit with ducts, dropper box, vents etc. all inclusive is $ 2300. Full installation is $ 800 extra Apologies for all these above quotes, I have been doing some research in the last month. Just need people opinions regarding these brands and model. Regards Sam Thanks again for your help. Stay away from omega The worst company you can deal with Re: Evaporative Cooling - Melbourne 19Jun 23, 2017 2:44 pm Anyone knows of reliable repair person for coolers? 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