Browse Forums Heating, Cooling & Insulation 1 Jan 20, 2010 7:28 pm Hi every one just got a qoute back for an actron air 18kw ultima price is 14500 for eleven ducts four zones four controllers does this sound like a reasonable price or should i consider the daikin unit similar size but not as many features as the ultima. Also should note i can add upto another four zones if i wish for a cost of 200 per zone, any comment would be appreciated as i have no idea if this sounds like a good price on not. Cheers Bunga Re: ACTRON AIR QOUTE IS THIS REASONABLE 2Jan 20, 2010 7:35 pm Have no idea if you are in Brisbane or Alice Springs? or whether your home is single level or 3 levels with a flat roof? All this impacts on price. My advice is get 2-3 prices. Actron is a good system Re: ACTRON AIR QOUTE IS THIS REASONABLE 7Jan 21, 2010 11:09 am bunga Hi every one just got a qoute back for an actron air 18kw ultima price is 14500 for eleven ducts four zones four controllers does this sound like a reasonable price or should i consider the daikin unit similar size but not as many features as the ultima. Also should note i can add upto another four zones if i wish for a cost of 200 per zone, any comment would be appreciated as i have no idea if this sounds like a good price on not. Cheers Bunga We paid $12k for an Actron ESP Plus 18.9kW, 11 outlets, 8 zones, 2 returns, 2 controllers. The Ultima's don't cost that much more so $14.5k sounds OK to me. I'm really glad we have 2 controllers, one up and one downstairs. I'm also really glad we put in 8 zones. Many installers just wanted to bundle all the bedrooms into one big zone but I've got one kid that wants to live in a fridge and another that turns blue. A separate zone for each room means they can just turn their zone on or off as they please. I'm glad we have a digital scroll compressor, it lets us run the unit between 10 and 100% power. The ESP, ESP+ and Ultima all have this technology. Inverter's like the Daikin run between 40 and 100% and you need one "constant zone" which can't be turned off. I'm not entirely convinced the "Plus" was worth getting, it has a variable speed indoor unit fan but it can also just use the more conventional Lo, Mid and Hi settings like the ESP model has. This is another way of varying the power and in hindsight that probably would've been just as good. Ultima - again, I can't say I miss the feature of having zone's vary between open and closed. I think the extra temperature sensors are more important but in a post-build 2 storey house the extra wiring was prohibitive. Sound ? I can't hear our unit from inside the house but someone else on another forum was saying they find the compressor noise annoying. We have brick they don't, we have hardly any windows on that wall they do - so be careful about this. Also if your unit is going anywhere near the neighbours and they might complain about noise look into that side of it otherwise you may not able to turn it on after 10PM ... All larger kW compressors make a non-trival sound. Daikin? I have a Daikin ducted at work and a 3.5kW split in my other office - both definitely cool very well. Handle 40+ degree days just like any other, no sign of a struggle. (The Actron handles Oz conditions beautifully as well, they're rated to 50 degrees!). Good luck. Re: ACTRON AIR QOUTE IS THIS REASONABLE 8Jan 21, 2010 11:27 am A.Ryder bunga Inverter's like the Daikin run between 40 and 100% and you need one "constant zone" which can't be turned off. Not quite true. We have a 28Kw Daikin ducted (8 zones) and we have no specific "constant" zone. If the unit is on, at least one zone must be on, but this can be any zone. I really wouldn't want to run it with just a single outlet bedroom zone on though - the airflow would be quite fierce even on the lower of the 2 (yes - only 2) fan settings. If I had done a bit more research, I think I would've gone for an Actron for the greater flexibility - but it would've been at a substantial price increase. Having said that, we have been pleasantly surprised with the ability of our Daikin unit to heat or cool the house in extremely cold or hot weather - so our regrets at not going for the Actron aren't that major. Nothing we can do about it now, anyway. Cheers zeke Re: ACTRON AIR QOUTE IS THIS REASONABLE 9Jan 21, 2010 5:48 pm zeke A.Ryder bunga Inverter's like the Daikin run between 40 and 100% and you need one "constant zone" which can't be turned off. Not quite true. We have a 28Kw Daikin ducted (8 zones) and we have no specific "constant" zone. If the unit is on, at least one zone must be on, but this can be any zone. I really wouldn't want to run it with just a single outlet bedroom zone on though - the airflow would be quite fierce even on the lower of the 2 (yes - only 2) fan settings. If I had done a bit more research, I think I would've gone for an Actron for the greater flexibility - but it would've been at a substantial price increase. Having said that, we have been pleasantly surprised with the ability of our Daikin unit to heat or cool the house in extremely cold or hot weather - so our regrets at not going for the Actron aren't that major. Nothing we can do about it now, anyway. Cheers zeke Hmm, I think we're saying the same thing in different words, yours are probably clearer than mine You can run only one zone but it isn't recommend you can actually rip the ducting, so you must either run it on the lowest possible setting and remember to avoid "hi" or have a "constant" zone to pick up any excess pressure. Otherwise I think Daikin are great, very simple just "hi" and "lo" but if you want cooling they certainly deliver it in style. Re: ACTRON AIR QOUTE IS THIS REASONABLE 10Feb 17, 2010 8:05 pm Hi Guys, any views on the Daikin Heating ability ? I am Melbourne based and although the Daikin appears fantastic for cooling (which we want) we also want a cost effective heating system and am concerned about cost to generate the hot air compared to say a Brivis HE Gas unit Ohh we are looking at the Daikin fdyq250 also * Are we there yet ? Demolition has come and gone ! yippeeee..hang on that was months ago !! come on Mr Builder, dig a hole at least Finaly ! Hole Dug ! well done darren 20/06/2010. Slab is down ! Framing is complete 20/10/2010 we are progressing like a snail on heat - excited and determined but very very slow Steveo Re: ACTRON AIR QOUTE IS THIS REASONABLE 11Feb 18, 2010 2:14 am After being an engineer/estimator/technician over many years I can safely say that both Actron and Daikin are good and reliable. Just get it sized correctly. If you want indestructable and quiet then Actron with their vertical discharge for their split units is the way to go. The sound goes up, instead of horizontally and hitting the neighbour's windows. If you want techy features then Daikin is the way to go. Anything with a variable speed fan in the outdoor unit (inverter etc) will change the pitch of the sound and neighbours may demand a silencer built around it. If you get a bad Daikin inverter, then they'll just keep replacing it even if you grow to hate the inverter feature. Idealy get two split-ducted Actrons. One for the day zone and one for the bedrooms. That way the kids can be in bed at the right temp, with a temp sensor in the correct location (VERY important), and you can have control of your own a/c unit with your own temp sensor in the lounge room. This way the entire house can be airconditioned which is what is usually need when the kids are asleep, even just for the few hours that you're awake. Two sensors and therefore a/c units are essential in a two story house - one upstair and one downstairs. Keep it simple with the controls and less can go wrong. Cheers Adam Mech Eng Re: ACTRON AIR QOUTE IS THIS REASONABLE 12Feb 19, 2010 11:38 am Adam.R After being an engineer/estimator/technician over many years I can safely say that both Actron and Daikin are good and reliable. Just get it sized correctly. If you want indestructable and quiet then Actron with their vertical discharge for their split units is the way to go. The sound goes up, instead of horizontally and hitting the neighbour's windows. If you want techy features then Daikin is the way to go. Anything with a variable speed fan in the outdoor unit (inverter etc) will change the pitch of the sound and neighbours may demand a silencer built around it. If you get a bad Daikin inverter, then they'll just keep replacing it even if you grow to hate the inverter feature. Idealy get two split-ducted Actrons. One for the day zone and one for the bedrooms. That way the kids can be in bed at the right temp, with a temp sensor in the correct location (VERY important), and you can have control of your own a/c unit with your own temp sensor in the lounge room. This way the entire house can be airconditioned which is what is usually need when the kids are asleep, even just for the few hours that you're awake. Two sensors and therefore a/c units are essential in a two story house - one upstair and one downstairs. Keep it simple with the controls and less can go wrong. Cheers Adam thanks Adam.R, any thoughts on the cost to run a Daikin heating versus a Gas system such as a Brivis ? * Are we there yet ? Demolition has come and gone ! yippeeee..hang on that was months ago !! come on Mr Builder, dig a hole at least Finaly ! Hole Dug ! well done darren 20/06/2010. Slab is down ! Framing is complete 20/10/2010 we are progressing like a snail on heat - excited and determined but very very slow Steveo Re: ACTRON AIR QOUTE IS THIS REASONABLE 13Feb 19, 2010 12:11 pm Steveo Adam.R After being an engineer/estimator/technician over many years I can safely say that both Actron and Daikin are good and reliable. Just get it sized correctly. If you want indestructable and quiet then Actron with their vertical discharge for their split units is the way to go. The sound goes up, instead of horizontally and hitting the neighbour's windows. If you want techy features then Daikin is the way to go. Anything with a variable speed fan in the outdoor unit (inverter etc) will change the pitch of the sound and neighbours may demand a silencer built around it. If you get a bad Daikin inverter, then they'll just keep replacing it even if you grow to hate the inverter feature. Idealy get two split-ducted Actrons. One for the day zone and one for the bedrooms. That way the kids can be in bed at the right temp, with a temp sensor in the correct location (VERY important), and you can have control of your own a/c unit with your own temp sensor in the lounge room. This way the entire house can be airconditioned which is what is usually need when the kids are asleep, even just for the few hours that you're awake. Two sensors and therefore a/c units are essential in a two story house - one upstair and one downstairs. Keep it simple with the controls and less can go wrong. Cheers Adam thanks Adam.R, any thoughts on the cost to run a Daikin heating versus a Gas system such as a Brivis ? Hi Stevo Ring "sales" for both companies, as one unit includes gas as well as electricity ... cost per year figures, whatever they have for a 3 bedroom house - just keep the house size consistent with but a/c units (it's just to equally compare both units). The Brevis has 5 stars; not sure about the Daikin. Specs on the Daikin: http://www.daikin.com.au/product.asp?pid=349&tab=3 Brevis HE Details: http://www.brivis.com.au/content.cfm?content=135 Brevis HE Brochure: http://www.brivis.com.au/upload/data/Br ... ochure.pdf Mech Eng Seems good to me. I've been told $4-5k/sqm is reasonable in Perth. 2 11166 How do you remove one of these ceiling air con vents? And is it possible to disconnect the duct joined to the vent from inside the house, without going into the roof cavity? 0 5930 Hi all, sorting out the ducted air con for a 350sqm double story house. Does this placement sound reasonable to you? Also, I plan to have 6 zones I think. Living room… 0 0 |